aleumdance wrote:

che wrote:

aleumdance wrote:

ok mate, lets talk logic with logic

you want me to PROVE

I told you thats its known in SA ( INCLUDING FVCKING URUGUAY) that calling a Black Westerner is racist

now if Suarez is Urugyan, that means he knows this,

if an Urugyan uses this on a BLACK MAN

HAS THAT NOT PROVED YOUR DAMN ARGUEMENT..

jeez do we also need IQ tests in here

no it hasn't because in a court of law (which the fa obviously ain't), guilt must be proven beyond reasonable doubt, and i REALLY don't think that would be possible in this case

what we have here is a witch hunt... everytime someone brings up issues of racism fa can wash their hands over the entire issue saying basically "but look guys, we banned suarez forever, we can't be racist"

In England, the FA word is final, that's that

so if Suarez said the word negrito, and he did not mean too, but still said it

and the FA bans him, that final

case closed

Case closed but you can't prove it.

300th comment

Che

8 match ban is just too much, u know whats coming for Evra in next few MU matches. Fans are gonna tear him apart

Grande_Milano wrote:

Seppuku wrote:loooool, u mad bro?

Just exposing the troll

seeing this in the quote, i imagine the u mad bro was directed at me, SOMEONE WHO EXPLICITLY MENTIONED THAT HE HAS SEPPUKU IN HIS IGNORE LIST, ergo cannot see the post unless quoted

you can't make this shit up...

aleumdance wrote:

che wrote:

aleumdance wrote:

ok mate, lets talk logic with logic

you want me to PROVE

I told you thats its known in SA ( INCLUDING FVCKING URUGUAY) that calling a Black Westerner is racist

now if Suarez is Urugyan, that means he knows this,

if an Urugyan uses this on a BLACK MAN

HAS THAT NOT PROVED YOUR DAMN ARGUEMENT..

jeez do we also need IQ tests in here

no it hasn't because in a court of law (which the fa obviously ain't), guilt must be proven beyond reasonable doubt, and i REALLY don't think that would be possible in this case

what we have here is a witch hunt... everytime someone brings up issues of racism fa can wash their hands over the entire issue saying basically "but look guys, we banned suarez forever, we can't be racist"

In England, the FA word is final, that's that

so if Suarez said the word negrito, and he did not mean too, but still said it

and the FA bans him, that final

case closed

No. Case taken to international court (CAS)

http://www.chivascampeon.com/noticia/2009/ hav a look.

Irish_Catalan_Scouser wrote:

aleumdance wrote:

che wrote:

aleumdance wrote:

ok mate, lets talk logic with logic

you want me to PROVE

I told you thats its known in SA ( INCLUDING FVCKING URUGUAY) that calling a Black Westerner is racist

now if Suarez is Urugyan, that means he knows this,

if an Urugyan uses this on a BLACK MAN

HAS THAT NOT PROVED YOUR DAMN ARGUEMENT..

jeez do we also need IQ tests in here

no it hasn't because in a court of law (which the fa obviously ain't), guilt must be proven beyond reasonable doubt, and i REALLY don't think that would be possible in this case

what we have here is a witch hunt... everytime someone brings up issues of racism fa can wash their hands over the entire issue saying basically "but look guys, we banned suarez forever, we can't be racist"

In England, the FA word is final, that's that

so if Suarez said the word negrito, and he did not mean too, but still said it

and the FA bans him, that final

case closed

Case closed but you can't prove it.

really don't want to sound silly mate, honestly

but when I said suarez knew the impact

I put it in the sense that, he knew what could probably happen if he said the word "negrito" to any Black man in western europe..aAND YES HE KNEW

that what i meant by "IMPACT"

hope you got me now

tbh taking it to cas won't solve anything, that would just be more "protecting the sport" horseshit because overruling the decision would enrage reasonable and unbiased people like elmystique

take fa to a civil court, sue them for libel and loss (i'm sure there would be a way to quantify loss from an 8 match ban) and watch fa burn

Grande_Milano wrote:8 match ban is just too much, u know whats coming for Evra in next few MU matches. Fans are gonna tear him apart

Don't think so man. Ppl in Arsenal/Mancs (both), Spurs forums are chuffed to bits.

those mid-table teams fans draw opinions and it's 50/50 from what I've read.

Chelsea fans don't like it ofc.

First off i want to say wow to the level of complete stupidity on this

forum

I just read through all 16 pages and have come to the conclusion that

anybody that is arguing that negrito is a racial slur is a complete and

utter dumbass

Why? because as Che and others have pointed out time and time

again negrito is a nickname that spanish speakers not just urguyans

and argentines use.

For instance I am Honduran- American my sister's nickname is china or

chinita I have on countless times called people negro or negrito

including people who are friends and non friends.

That does not make me a racist because it is not racist.

To imply that people living in south america and central america know

that word negro or negrito might have negative connotations in the

western world is idiotic.

For instance my mother would always refer to black people as el

negrito or negrita and I have never heard or seen anybody take

offense and remember i live in America so i am sorry but if you are not

a native spanish speaker do not try to tell us what our words mean

Thank you those are my two cents

aleumdance wrote:

I put it in the sense that, he knew what could probably happen if he said the word "negrito" to any Black man in western europe..aAND YES HE KNEW

which is precisely what you cannot, and simply will not ever, prove

Sepi wrote:http://www.chivascampeon.com/noticia/2009/ hav a look.

It's pointless. People refuse to acknowledge it's a pet name

elmystique wrote:racism has no place in this world and the mere fact I see people trying to back it up keeps me in here to unmask them...

:lol!:

People like you who claim to "unmask" racists, and make claims that other people in this thread are racists, are hilarious. Who are you to call somebody a racist? What gives you the right to make that judgment about fellow posters on an internet forum?

So because Evra is a massive troll, and many neutral fans are siding with Suarez, they're racist too? So sad. It's so extremely easy to pull the race card that it's really a joke, and Evra abused the race card to the maximum here.

My family moved to the US from Hungary when I was 4 years old. I was abused as a kid too going to school until I was about 12 because I was foreign, had an accent, and didn't speak much english. I was being called things like "euro trash", "foreign weirdo" etc.. I won't say that I liked it, because I didn't, but it made me a stronger person by exposing me to the realities of the world. Racism is nasty, but it exists all around the world, whether we like it or not. Any person of any ethnicity can be labeled a racist. It's not only non-black people who are eligible to be racist. If someone calls me "euro trash" , "cracker" or anything racist nowadays, it just makes me laugh. I can't speak for everyone, but i'm sure most people who take offense to a racist term have some major insecurities about themselves.

Racism is based purely on ignorance. People who are TRULY racist are just ignorant, hateful people, and usually uneducated. Luis Suarez is not one of these people, and I don't think anyone in this thread defending him is one of these people, either.

There is no way a grown man like Evra should be offended by the term "Negrito". I am sure most people know he was NOT sincerely offended, but wanted to make a big deal and cause drama by going to the FA, so he jumped on this opportunity like a hobo on a ham sandwich, in order to cheat against a fellow footballer and opponent, and try to tarnish Suarez's reputation.

aleumdance wrote:

Irish_Catalan_Scouser wrote:

aleumdance wrote:

che wrote:

aleumdance wrote:

ok mate, lets talk logic with logic

you want me to PROVE

I told you thats its known in SA ( INCLUDING FVCKING URUGUAY) that calling a Black Westerner is racist

now if Suarez is Urugyan, that means he knows this,

if an Urugyan uses this on a BLACK MAN

HAS THAT NOT PROVED YOUR DAMN ARGUEMENT..

jeez do we also need IQ tests in here

no it hasn't because in a court of law (which the fa obviously ain't), guilt must be proven beyond reasonable doubt, and i REALLY don't think that would be possible in this case

what we have here is a witch hunt... everytime someone brings up issues of racism fa can wash their hands over the entire issue saying basically "but look guys, we banned suarez forever, we can't be racist"

In England, the FA word is final, that's that

so if Suarez said the word negrito, and he did not mean too, but still said it

and the FA bans him, that final

case closed

Case closed but you can't prove it.

really don't want to sound silly mate, honestly

but when I said suarez knew the impact

I put it in the sense that, he knew what could probably happen if he said the word "negrito" to any Black man in western europe..aAND YES HE KNEW[/u][/u]

that what i meant by "IMPACT"

hope you got me now

Again you are saying over and over that "He Knew" but you still have not proved it. We have went round in this same circle 4 times now I think.

honduran09 wrote:First off i want to say wow to the level of complete stupidity on this

forum

I just read through all 16 pages and have come to the conclusion that

anybody that is arguing that negrito is a racial slur is a complete and

utter dumbass

Why? because as Che and others have pointed out time and time

again negrito is a nickname that spanish speakers not just urguyans

and argentines use.

For instance I am Honduran- American my sister's nickname is china or

chinita I have on countless times called people negro or negrito

including people who are friends and non friends.

That does not make me a racist because it is not racist.

To imply that people living in south america and central america know

that word negro or negrito might have negative connotations in the

western world is idiotic.

For instance my mother would always refer to black people as el

negrito or negrita and I have never heard or seen anybody take

offense and remember i live in America so i am sorry but if you are not

a native spanish speaker do not try to tell us what our words mean

Thank you those are my two cents

The main difference is that in Argentina and Uruguay we don't use it to refer to black people. it's a pet name for everyone regardless of race.

Grande_Milano wrote:

Seppuku wrote:loooool, u mad bro?

Just exposing the troll

Well, I am not trolling. My arguments were all valid.

Try to separate the person from the argument.

Grande_Milano wrote:8 match ban is just too much, u know whats coming for Evra in next few MU matches. Fans are gonna tear him apart

Why would they tear him apart? More like everyone will tear apart the racist. Suarez's rep is done, finished...kapuut!

He will forever been known as that racist guy for the rest of his career.

honduran09 wrote:First off i want to say wow to the level of complete stupidity on this

forum

I just read through all 16 pages and have come to the conclusion that

anybody that is arguing that negrito is a racial slur is a complete and

utter dumbass

Why? because as Che and others have pointed out time and time

again negrito is a nickname that spanish speakers not just urguyans

and argentines use.

For instance I am Honduran- American my sister's nickname is china or

chinita I have on countless times called people negro or negrito

including people who are friends and non friends.

That does not make me a racist because it is not racist.

To imply that people living in south america and central america know

that word negro or negrito might have negative connotations in the

western world is idiotic.

For instance my mother would always refer to black people as el

negrito or negrita and I have never heard or seen anybody take

offense and remember i live in America so i am sorry but if you are not

a native spanish speaker do not try to tell us what our words mean

Thank you those are my two cents

I also live in America mate, and I can tell you first hand

when we watch Western movies and stuff, WE KNOW THAT ITS HAS A RACIAL MEANING OUTSIDE

Nirgal wrote:

honduran09 wrote:First off i want to say wow to the level of complete stupidity on this

forum

I just read through all 16 pages and have come to the conclusion that

anybody that is arguing that negrito is a racial slur is a complete and

utter dumbass

Why? because as Che and others have pointed out time and time

again negrito is a nickname that spanish speakers not just urguyans

and argentines use.

For instance I am Honduran- American my sister's nickname is china or

chinita I have on countless times called people negro or negrito

including people who are friends and non friends.

That does not make me a racist because it is not racist.

To imply that people living in south america and central america know

that word negro or negrito might have negative connotations in the

western world is idiotic.

For instance my mother would always refer to black people as el

negrito or negrita and I have never heard or seen anybody take

offense and remember i live in America so i am sorry but if you are not

a native spanish speaker do not try to tell us what our words mean

Thank you those are my two cents

The main difference is that in Argentina and Uruguay we don't use it to refer to black people. it's a pet name for everyone regardless of race.

same with us im not black but i get called negrito all the time either that or indio and it doesnt bother me its just like you said a pet name

Devil-Is-Red wrote:

Grande_Milano wrote:8 match ban is just too much, u know whats coming for Evra in next few MU matches. Fans are gonna tear him apart

Why would they tear him apart? More like everyone will tear apart the racist. Suarez's rep is done, finished...kapuut!

He will forever been known as that racist guy for the rest of his career.

And probably without ever realizing why.

Devil-Is-Red wrote:

Grande_Milano wrote:8 match ban is just too much, u know whats coming for Evra in next few MU matches. Fans are gonna tear him apart

Why would they tear him apart? More like everyone will tear apart the racist. Suarez's rep is done, finished...kapuut!

He will forever been known as that racist guy for the rest of his career.

Thoughts on Hernandez using the same word?

honduran09 wrote:

Nirgal wrote:

honduran09 wrote:First off i want to say wow to the level of complete stupidity on this

forum

I just read through all 16 pages and have come to the conclusion that

anybody that is arguing that negrito is a racial slur is a complete and

utter dumbass

Why? because as Che and others have pointed out time and time

again negrito is a nickname that spanish speakers not just urguyans

and argentines use.

For instance I am Honduran- American my sister's nickname is china or

chinita I have on countless times called people negro or negrito

including people who are friends and non friends.

That does not make me a racist because it is not racist.

To imply that people living in south america and central america know

that word negro or negrito might have negative connotations in the

western world is idiotic.

For instance my mother would always refer to black people as el

negrito or negrita and I have never heard or seen anybody take

offense and remember i live in America so i am sorry but if you are not

a native spanish speaker do not try to tell us what our words mean

Thank you those are my two cents

The main difference is that in Argentina and Uruguay we don't use it to refer to black people. it's a pet name for everyone regardless of race.

same with us im not black but i get called negrito all the time either that or indio and it doesnt bother me its just like you said a pet name

Indio is offensive in Argentina though.

Honduran009 just because it's ok to say it where you live, it doesn't mean it's right to say it in another continent/country to someone who is not familiar with the context of it.

/argument.

Seppuku wrote:

Grande_Milano wrote:

Seppuku wrote:loooool, u mad bro?

Just exposing the troll

Well, I am not trolling. My arguments were all valid.

Try to separate the person from the argument.

No thats not really possible considering the hypocrisy of your "debate" renders you invalid to even comment within here.

So in essence, you commited Seppaku on yourself.

honduran09 wrote:First off i want to say wow to the level of complete stupidity on this

forum

I just read through all 16 pages and have come to the conclusion that

anybody that is arguing that negrito is a racial slur is a complete and

utter dumbass

Why? because as Che and others have pointed out time and time

again negrito is a nickname that spanish speakers not just urguyans

and argentines use.

For instance I am Honduran- American my sister's nickname is china or

chinita I have on countless times called people negro or negrito

including people who are friends and non friends.

That does not make me a racist because it is not racist.

To imply that people living in south america and central america know

that word negro or negrito might have negative connotations in the

western world is idiotic.

For instance my mother would always refer to black people as el

negrito or negrita and I have never heard or seen anybody take

offense and remember i live in America so i am sorry but if you are not

a native spanish speaker do not try to tell us what our words mean

Thank you those are my two cents

your mother calls people in America negro and they don't get offended.....

and even if they don't means the rest of the people you don't know shouldn't likewise,

am not sure your mother called any black person in America "el-negro" did she.....

so stop lying ....