Re: Difference between Messi and Neymar

by windkick Mon Dec 19, 2011 10:43 am

Biggest difference between the two is that when Messi gets hacked he trys to dribble over and keep running as fast as possible. When Nerman gets hacked he usually loses the ball or dives

by Seppuku Mon Dec 19, 2011 10:51 am

windkick wrote:Biggest difference between the two is that when Messi gets hacked he trys to dribble over and keep running as fast as possible. When Nerman gets hacked he usually loses the ball or dives

by rwo power Mon Dec 19, 2011 12:14 pm

Well, when playing against Germany with their NTs, neither Neymar nor Messi looked too convincing. ^^

Other than that, the really biggest head-to-head difference: the hair!

by huntsman Mon Dec 19, 2011 12:24 pm

Messi is the best player in the world. Comparisions can be made but only to show the big gap between Messi and any other player in the world.

The only player that can be as good if not better than Messi is Cristiano but he has to overcome alot of psychological and physiological obstacles starting with his ego and ways of football and his understanding to the game and passing through his calves which are either under-developed or at their limit.

by MaraVilla Mon Dec 19, 2011 12:53 pm

huntsman wrote:Messi is the best player in the world. Comparisions can be made but only to show the big gap between Messi and any other player in the world.

The only player that can be as good if not better than Messi is Cristiano but he has to overcome alot of psychological and physiological obstacles starting with his ego and ways of football and his understanding to the game and passing through his calves which are either under-developed or at their limit.

the prophecy has spoken :bow:

by free_cat Mon Dec 19, 2011 1:25 pm

rsinatra wrote:

but he stayed in brazil, and his is a totally different case, i could show you examples of neymar's genius just like you're showing me examples of messi's at 19, but you will question it because it was not done over some big name in europe.

Really, after Santos pathetic showing vs. Barça, everything Neymar has done vs. South American clubs counts for little. One wonders how Santos won Libertadores with such a crap defence and only two good players that don't seem any better than some players at Vila-real, Napoli or Tottenham; and the likely answer is because south american football is not what it used to be.

Brasil average NT is another example of that.

by free_cat Mon Dec 19, 2011 4:26 pm

huntsman wrote:Messi is the best player in the world. Comparisions can be made but only to show the big gap between Messi and any other player in the world.

The only player that can be as good if not better than Messi is Cristiano but he has to overcome alot of psychological and physiological obstacles starting with his ego and ways of football and his understanding to the game and passing through his calves which are either under-developed or at their limit.

Just curious, but since when calfs are such an integral muscle for being a footballer?

by Arquitecto Mon Dec 19, 2011 4:34 pm

Can someone tell me why Neymar is even being mentioned next to Messi?

by rsinatra Mon Dec 19, 2011 9:24 pm

free_cat wrote:
rsinatra wrote:

but he stayed in brazil, and his is a totally different case, i could show you examples of neymar's genius just like you're showing me examples of messi's at 19, but you will question it because it was not done over some big name in europe.

Really, after Santos pathetic showing vs. Barça, everything Neymar has done vs. South American clubs counts for little. One wonders how Santos won Libertadores with such a crap defence and only two good players that don't seem any better than some players at Vila-real, Napoli or Tottenham; and the likely answer is because south american football is not what it used to be.

Brasil average NT is another example of that.

did you even watch santos at the libertadores? we played with another system. for some reason, muricy tried to make a new system to face barcelona, one the players weren't used to .. elano himself was always a starter at the libertadores, yesterday he was benched. not to mention that his form was superb then, and now is very poor.

we also had our best marking DM injured right before the CWC.

by Albiceleste Mon Dec 19, 2011 10:44 pm

Arquitecto wrote:Can someone tell me why Neymar is even being mentioned next to Messi?

He's Brazilian and hyped to hell and back by Pele & the media.

by Be/\/ceCALI Mon Dec 19, 2011 10:51 pm

Neymar still has A LOT to prove. He's not near Messi's level yet. I think Messi at 19 was better than Neymar is now. People forget just how crazy good Messi at 19 was, even Ronaldinho in his prime said it. He said "watch this kid, because he will be better than us all"

by paddy Mon Dec 19, 2011 10:54 pm

Difference is that Neymar looks like a very good player, but still has it all to prove, while Messi is probably the greatest of all time

by Dnmac4 Mon Dec 19, 2011 10:59 pm

rsinatra wrote:
free_cat wrote:
rsinatra wrote:

but he stayed in brazil, and his is a totally different case, i could show you examples of neymar's genius just like you're showing me examples of messi's at 19, but you will question it because it was not done over some big name in europe.

Really, after Santos pathetic showing vs. Barça, everything Neymar has done vs. South American clubs counts for little. One wonders how Santos won Libertadores with such a crap defence and only two good players that don't seem any better than some players at Vila-real, Napoli or Tottenham; and the likely answer is because south american football is not what it used to be.

Brasil average NT is another example of that.

did you even watch santos at the libertadores? we played with another system. for some reason, muricy tried to make a new system to face barcelona, one the players weren't used to .. elano himself was always a starter at the libertadores, yesterday he was benched. not to mention that his form was superb then, and now is very poor.

we also had our best marking DM injured right before the CWC.

This.

The team Santos won the Libertadores with was different and played different. I said this in another thread when the starting lineup came out and I saw Elano on the bench I looked at my roommate and said OMG, Santos is going to get killed. W/o Elano they had no shot at keeping the ball.

Also, they have sold some players and the lineup was just much different, plus the coaching.

You need to look no further then Inter when they were in this comp after Mou left and they had most of the same team but it was a little different. They were a shell of themselves.

by II Capitano Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:06 pm

free_cat wrote:
rsinatra wrote:

but he stayed in brazil, and his is a totally different case, i could show you examples of neymar's genius just like you're showing me examples of messi's at 19, but you will question it because it was not done over some big name in europe.

Really, after Santos pathetic showing vs. Barça, everything Neymar has done vs. South American clubs counts for little. One wonders how Santos won Libertadores with such a crap defence and only two good players that don't seem any better than some players at Vila-real, Napoli or Tottenham; and the likely answer is because south american football is not what it used to be.

Brasil average NT is another example of that.

Oh, great, another pretentious Barcelona fan who knows nothing about the opposition.

Firstly, you do know that Santos played a completely different system to the one they played in the Libertadores? That, in a way, effected the way the team played. Secondly, Santos won the Libertadores thanks the stability and solidity throughout the defence, which you clearly don't know about since you've just watched one game and made a laughable post. One wonders whether you're a troll, deluded, sane but pretentious or just human? Thirdly, did you expect Neymar to tear apart Puyol and Pique? Did you expect him to inflict serious damage to Barcelona's defence, because if you did then that just shows how much you know. Fourthly, Santos losing to Barcelona doesn't show how weak South American football is, if anything, it shows how much progress Barcelona have made since losing 0-1, thanks to a brilliant Pato goal, several seasons back. Lastly, I lol'd at your post.

by Dnmac4 Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:15 pm

Gladiator wrote:
free_cat wrote:
rsinatra wrote:

but he stayed in brazil, and his is a totally different case, i could show you examples of neymar's genius just like you're showing me examples of messi's at 19, but you will question it because it was not done over some big name in europe.

Really, after Santos pathetic showing vs. Barça, everything Neymar has done vs. South American clubs counts for little. One wonders how Santos won Libertadores with such a crap defence and only two good players that don't seem any better than some players at Vila-real, Napoli or Tottenham; and the likely answer is because south american football is not what it used to be.

Brasil average NT is another example of that.

Oh, great, another pretentious Barcelona fan who knows nothing about the opposition.

Firstly, you do know that Santos played a completely different system to the one they played in the Libertadores? That, in a way, effected the way the team played. Secondly, Santos won the Libertadores thanks the stability and solidity throughout the defence, which you clearly don't know about since you've just watched one game and made a laughable post. One wonders whether you're a troll, deluded, sane but pretentious or just human? Thirdly, did you expect Neymar to tear apart Puyol and Pique? Did you expect him to inflict serious damage to Barcelona's defence, because if you did then that just shows how much you know. Fourthly, Santos losing to Barcelona doesn't show how weak South American football is, if anything, it shows how much progress Barcelona have made since losing 0-1, thanks to a brilliant Pato goal, several seasons back. Lastly, I lol'd at your post.

You can see my post above yours so I'm on the same page as you about Santos. But I did expect Neymar to do more. It's not right to say after the game that he's crap because of the 0-4 result but it's also not right to give him a total pass for his poor display. Yes I did expect him to take on Puyol and Pique as he will have to face good/great defenders to win a comp like this or when he goes to Europe or in the World Cup.

He was seriously undermanned against Barca but so have a lot of other players when they play them and they show better then he did. HE has to take responsibility for his poor display even though it wasn't all his fault.

by Albiceleste Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:21 pm

Gladiator wrote:
free_cat wrote:
rsinatra wrote:

but he stayed in brazil, and his is a totally different case, i could show you examples of neymar's genius just like you're showing me examples of messi's at 19, but you will question it because it was not done over some big name in europe.

Really, after Santos pathetic showing vs. Barça, everything Neymar has done vs. South American clubs counts for little. One wonders how Santos won Libertadores with such a crap defence and only two good players that don't seem any better than some players at Vila-real, Napoli or Tottenham; and the likely answer is because south american football is not what it used to be.

Brasil average NT is another example of that.

Oh, great, another pretentious Barcelona fan who knows nothing about the opposition.

Firstly, you do know that Santos played a completely different system to the one they played in the Libertadores? That, in a way, effected the way the team played. Secondly, Santos won the Libertadores thanks the stability and solidity throughout the defence, which you clearly don't know about since you've just watched one game and made a laughable post. One wonders whether you're a troll, deluded, sane but pretentious or just human? Thirdly, did you expect Neymar to tear apart Puyol and Pique? Did you expect him to inflict serious damage to Barcelona's defence, because if you did then that just shows how much you know. Fourthly, Santos losing to Barcelona doesn't show how weak South American football is, if anything, it shows how much progress Barcelona have made since losing 0-1, thanks to a brilliant Pato goal, several seasons back. Lastly, I lol'd at your post.

People expected Neymar to atleast make a couple of good plays and score maybe, especially after all the praise of Pele, the media and kids on youtube.

And Pato didn't score against us in the 2006 CWC final (if that's what you were referring to in that "fourthly" part)

by Ganso Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:22 pm

We were also expecting him to get the ball more than he did

by II Capitano Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:22 pm

dnmac4 wrote:
Gladiator wrote:
free_cat wrote:
rsinatra wrote:

but he stayed in brazil, and his is a totally different case, i could show you examples of neymar's genius just like you're showing me examples of messi's at 19, but you will question it because it was not done over some big name in europe.

Really, after Santos pathetic showing vs. Barça, everything Neymar has done vs. South American clubs counts for little. One wonders how Santos won Libertadores with such a crap defence and only two good players that don't seem any better than some players at Vila-real, Napoli or Tottenham; and the likely answer is because south american football is not what it used to be.

Brasil average NT is another example of that.

Oh, great, another pretentious Barcelona fan who knows nothing about the opposition.

Firstly, you do know that Santos played a completely different system to the one they played in the Libertadores? That, in a way, effected the way the team played. Secondly, Santos won the Libertadores thanks the stability and solidity throughout the defence, which you clearly don't know about since you've just watched one game and made a laughable post. One wonders whether you're a troll, deluded, sane but pretentious or just human? Thirdly, did you expect Neymar to tear apart Puyol and Pique? Did you expect him to inflict serious damage to Barcelona's defence, because if you did then that just shows how much you know. Fourthly, Santos losing to Barcelona doesn't show how weak South American football is, if anything, it shows how much progress Barcelona have made since losing 0-1, thanks to a brilliant Pato goal, several seasons back. Lastly, I lol'd at your post.

You can see my post above yours so I'm on the same page as you about Santos. But I did expect Neymar to do more. It's not right to say after the game that he's crap because of the 0-4 result but it's also not right to give him a total pass for his poor display. Yes I did expect him to take on Puyol and Pique as he will have to face good/great defenders to win a comp like this or when he goes to Europe or in the World Cup.

He was seriously undermanned against Barca but so have a lot of other players when they play them and they show better then he did. HE has to take responsibility for his poor display even though it wasn't all his fault.

Yes, you're right, he does have to take responsibility for his poor performance, but it definitely wasn't his fault. How many quality, not saying Neymar is quality or not because it will cause a heated discussion, players have shined against Barcelona over the past couple of seasons? Not a lot is the answer. The matter of the fact is - that against Barcelona you will get pressed so much so that you will lose confidence and become anonymous, and I guess sometimes there's nothing you can do, it's the beauty of Guardiola's tactics, which makes me appreciate him even more. If Ronaldo can't get past Puyol and Pique on a consistent basis against Barcelona, then Neymar can't, it's that easy, even though the logic is far off.

by Ganso Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:24 pm

Gladiator wrote:
dnmac4 wrote:
Gladiator wrote:
free_cat wrote:
rsinatra wrote:

but he stayed in brazil, and his is a totally different case, i could show you examples of neymar's genius just like you're showing me examples of messi's at 19, but you will question it because it was not done over some big name in europe.

Really, after Santos pathetic showing vs. Barça, everything Neymar has done vs. South American clubs counts for little. One wonders how Santos won Libertadores with such a crap defence and only two good players that don't seem any better than some players at Vila-real, Napoli or Tottenham; and the likely answer is because south american football is not what it used to be.

Brasil average NT is another example of that.

Oh, great, another pretentious Barcelona fan who knows nothing about the opposition.

Firstly, you do know that Santos played a completely different system to the one they played in the Libertadores? That, in a way, effected the way the team played. Secondly, Santos won the Libertadores thanks the stability and solidity throughout the defence, which you clearly don't know about since you've just watched one game and made a laughable post. One wonders whether you're a troll, deluded, sane but pretentious or just human? Thirdly, did you expect Neymar to tear apart Puyol and Pique? Did you expect him to inflict serious damage to Barcelona's defence, because if you did then that just shows how much you know. Fourthly, Santos losing to Barcelona doesn't show how weak South American football is, if anything, it shows how much progress Barcelona have made since losing 0-1, thanks to a brilliant Pato goal, several seasons back. Lastly, I lol'd at your post.

You can see my post above yours so I'm on the same page as you about Santos. But I did expect Neymar to do more. It's not right to say after the game that he's crap because of the 0-4 result but it's also not right to give him a total pass for his poor display. Yes I did expect him to take on Puyol and Pique as he will have to face good/great defenders to win a comp like this or when he goes to Europe or in the World Cup.

He was seriously undermanned against Barca but so have a lot of other players when they play them and they show better then he did. HE has to take responsibility for his poor display even though it wasn't all his fault.

Yes, you're right, he does have to take responsibility for his poor performance, but it definitely wasn't his fault. How many quality, not saying Neymar is quality or not because it will cause a heated discussion, players have shined against Barcelona over the past couple of seasons? Not a lot is the answer. The matter of the fact is - that against Barcelona you will get pressed so much so that you will lose confidence and become anonymous, and I guess sometimes there's nothing you can do, it's the beauty of Guardiola's tactics, which makes me appreciate him even more. If Ronaldo can't get past Puyol and Pique on a consistent basis against Barcelona, then Neymar can't, it's that easy, even though the logic is far off.

No bro,he apparently was supposed to rip barca apart according to this forum

by II Capitano Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:27 pm

Lionel Messi wrote:
Gladiator wrote:
free_cat wrote:
rsinatra wrote:

but he stayed in brazil, and his is a totally different case, i could show you examples of neymar's genius just like you're showing me examples of messi's at 19, but you will question it because it was not done over some big name in europe.

Really, after Santos pathetic showing vs. Barça, everything Neymar has done vs. South American clubs counts for little. One wonders how Santos won Libertadores with such a crap defence and only two good players that don't seem any better than some players at Vila-real, Napoli or Tottenham; and the likely answer is because south american football is not what it used to be.

Brasil average NT is another example of that.

Oh, great, another pretentious Barcelona fan who knows nothing about the opposition.

Firstly, you do know that Santos played a completely different system to the one they played in the Libertadores? That, in a way, effected the way the team played. Secondly, Santos won the Libertadores thanks the stability and solidity throughout the defence, which you clearly don't know about since you've just watched one game and made a laughable post. One wonders whether you're a troll, deluded, sane but pretentious or just human? Thirdly, did you expect Neymar to tear apart Puyol and Pique? Did you expect him to inflict serious damage to Barcelona's defence, because if you did then that just shows how much you know. Fourthly, Santos losing to Barcelona doesn't show how weak South American football is, if anything, it shows how much progress Barcelona have made since losing 0-1, thanks to a brilliant Pato goal, several seasons back. Lastly, I lol'd at your post.
People expected Neymar to atleast make a couple of good plays and score maybe, especially after all the praise of Pele, the media and kids on youtube.

And Pato didn't score against us in the 2006 CWC final (if that's what you were referring to in that "fourthly" part)

Sorry, my bad, thought Pato did score, but I remember the game finishing 0-1, the scorer is irrelevant. Anyway, I guess you're one of those who believe Pele word-for-word?

PS - I guess Messi can't header a ball... :facepalm:

by II Capitano Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:28 pm

Ganso wrote:
Gladiator wrote:
dnmac4 wrote:
Gladiator wrote:
free_cat wrote:
rsinatra wrote:

but he stayed in brazil, and his is a totally different case, i could show you examples of neymar's genius just like you're showing me examples of messi's at 19, but you will question it because it was not done over some big name in europe.

Really, after Santos pathetic showing vs. Barça, everything Neymar has done vs. South American clubs counts for little. One wonders how Santos won Libertadores with such a crap defence and only two good players that don't seem any better than some players at Vila-real, Napoli or Tottenham; and the likely answer is because south american football is not what it used to be.

Brasil average NT is another example of that.

Oh, great, another pretentious Barcelona fan who knows nothing about the opposition.

Firstly, you do know that Santos played a completely different system to the one they played in the Libertadores? That, in a way, effected the way the team played. Secondly, Santos won the Libertadores thanks the stability and solidity throughout the defence, which you clearly don't know about since you've just watched one game and made a laughable post. One wonders whether you're a troll, deluded, sane but pretentious or just human? Thirdly, did you expect Neymar to tear apart Puyol and Pique? Did you expect him to inflict serious damage to Barcelona's defence, because if you did then that just shows how much you know. Fourthly, Santos losing to Barcelona doesn't show how weak South American football is, if anything, it shows how much progress Barcelona have made since losing 0-1, thanks to a brilliant Pato goal, several seasons back. Lastly, I lol'd at your post.

You can see my post above yours so I'm on the same page as you about Santos. But I did expect Neymar to do more. It's not right to say after the game that he's crap because of the 0-4 result but it's also not right to give him a total pass for his poor display. Yes I did expect him to take on Puyol and Pique as he will have to face good/great defenders to win a comp like this or when he goes to Europe or in the World Cup.

He was seriously undermanned against Barca but so have a lot of other players when they play them and they show better then he did. HE has to take responsibility for his poor display even though it wasn't all his fault.

Yes, you're right, he does have to take responsibility for his poor performance, but it definitely wasn't his fault. How many quality, not saying Neymar is quality or not because it will cause a heated discussion, players have shined against Barcelona over the past couple of seasons? Not a lot is the answer. The matter of the fact is - that against Barcelona you will get pressed so much so that you will lose confidence and become anonymous, and I guess sometimes there's nothing you can do, it's the beauty of Guardiola's tactics, which makes me appreciate him even more. If Ronaldo can't get past Puyol and Pique on a consistent basis against Barcelona, then Neymar can't, it's that easy, even though the logic is far off.
No bro,he apparently was supposed to rip barca apart according to this forum

Wow, really? Shows how much people have watched Neymar. Dear God... :facepalm:

by billionmillion Tue Dec 20, 2011 12:21 am

Poor Neymar deceived by Pele

by guest7 Tue Dec 20, 2011 12:27 am

Can someone tell me why Muniain isn't getting half the hype Neymar is getting?

by Ganso Tue Dec 20, 2011 12:36 am

Since when has munian been playing well again?has he won any trophies at all?91 apps 14 goals Suspect

If he keeps it up for another season i think hell start getting hyped,but for now he has done nothing of notice

by guest7 Tue Dec 20, 2011 12:43 am

Ganso wrote:Since when has munian been playing well again?has he won any trophies at all?91 apps 14 goals

If he keeps it up for another season i think hell start getting hyped,but for now he has done nothing of notice

Scoring late equalisers for Bilbao, or just scoring in important games for them, or overall just scoring when it matters

Not to mention the goals he sets up. and lets not forget his performances, excellent ones

and dude he just turned 19, what did messi score 30 goals at 19? at 19 messi scored 16 goals, albeit more he is young and that can improve

muniain the real next thing in football, madrid should get him :bow:

by Ganso Tue Dec 20, 2011 12:51 am

omarish wrote:
Ganso wrote:Since when has munian been playing well again?has he won any trophies at all?91 apps 14 goals

If he keeps it up for another season i think hell start getting hyped,but for now he has done nothing of notice

Scoring late equalisers for Bilbao, or just scoring in important games for them, or overall just scoring when it matters

Not to mention the goals he sets up. and lets not forget his performances, excellent ones

and dude he just turned 19, what did messi score 30 goals at 19? at 19 messi scored 16 goals, albeit more he is young and that can improve

muniain the real next thing in football, madrid should get him

thats just the definition of a good youngster,he basically just plays well.Neymar,Hazard and Gotze get hype because they are very above average when it comes to youngsters + they are winning trophies

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