Can Hernanes destroy?

omarish wrote:Xabi is the highest goalscorer after Villa in Spain (this spain team)

He did score more in his pool days from his own half but in Madrid he doesn't have the same role imo

Also losing your marker and being a dribbler doesn't define a attacker. If that's the case then Chicharito isn't one.

Also RG does Schweini do these passes? If your passes attacks the other team then it counts and Alonso (and Schweini) does these passes all the time, he does create chances from deep jsut not everyone scores them. It has happened though

Alonso wasnt really much of a goal threat when playing for Liverpool.He is a very good finisher but would never get into the box often to score goals.Its not a fault in his game obviously but just that scoring was never a strong point of his IMO.

Gerrard is the most complete player of his generation not just midfielder.He played as RB is a CL final and heck he scored 20 goals in a season playing as right winger.

The likes of Viera are great complete Central midfielders but Gerrard is much more complete than a Midfieder IMO

Gil wrote:

Immaculate_Mole wrote:Essien was never complete imo......

He did'nt really create or score although he did destroy and pressurize with the best of them.....

Ballack was one of the most complete players of the last 20 years so i agree lol.

No need to rewrite history mate. Essien is obviously finished now but he was a total beast in his peak.

Reckon he would have come out on top against Viera in his prime.


Agree with the last part. Easily the most complete player of his generation.

SMFH, jon on son.



Fabregas.

dnmac4 wrote:Yaya is up there and I'm kind of surprised no one has mentioned Cesc, I know his defensive skills are a bit lacking but between his link up play, final balls, and goal scoring he is about as complete as they come.

I love that people are mentioning Ballack and in the future I think Javi Martinez will be up there.

I also agree with Marchisio and Bastian.

Some people may laugh but someone who is putting it all together IMO and really is starting to be very well rounded is Prince-Boateng for Milan. I love his game.

I was gonna mention him but then others would have laughed at the suggestion. Agree with you on that one

Lionel Messi wrote:

omarish wrote:Has the third highest ball interceptions in Real Madrid team

If that isn't destroying then what is? He defends alot for RM and that is a well known thing. He is complete imo

Third highest in the team is not great, especially as in a defensive midfield position, I don't consider Xabi complete

The two that are higher are Pepe and Ramos, our centrebacks... Pepe has 139, Ramos has 160 and Alonso has 134.

So how is that not a great statistic?

omarish wrote:

Lionel Messi wrote:

omarish wrote:Has the third highest ball interceptions in Real Madrid team

If that isn't destroying then what is? He defends alot for RM and that is a well known thing. He is complete imo

Third highest in the team is not great, especially as in a defensive midfield position, I don't consider Xabi complete

The two that are higher are Pepe and Ramos, our centrebacks... Pepe has 139, Ramos has 160 and Alonso has 134.

So how is that not a great statistic?

If Lass or Khedira played as many games they'd have near the same I'd bet

RealGunner wrote:

dnmac4 wrote:Yaya is up there and I'm kind of surprised no one has mentioned Cesc, I know his defensive skills are a bit lacking but between his link up play, final balls, and goal scoring he is about as complete as they come.

I love that people are mentioning Ballack and in the future I think Javi Martinez will be up there.

I also agree with Marchisio and Bastian.

Some people may laugh but someone who is putting it all together IMO and really is starting to be very well rounded is Prince-Boateng for Milan. I love his game.

I was gonna mention him but then others would have laughed at the suggestion. Agree with you on that one

Agree with Dnmac on Javi Martinez, a potential beast in the making tbh.

RealGunner wrote:

dnmac4 wrote:Yaya is up there and I'm kind of surprised no one has mentioned Cesc, I know his defensive skills are a bit lacking but between his link up play, final balls, and goal scoring he is about as complete as they come.

I love that people are mentioning Ballack and in the future I think Javi Martinez will be up there.

I also agree with Marchisio and Bastian.

Some people may laugh but someone who is putting it all together IMO and really is starting to be very well rounded is Prince-Boateng for Milan. I love his game.

I was gonna mention him but then others would have laughed at the suggestion. Agree with you on that one

Yea, it's almost like you have to be more of a DM to be considered on this list

wilshere

How is cesc complete?

Cant even displace thiago as a midfielder.

Cesc is the spanish lampard lol

Off the top of my head

Gerrard, Ballack, Essien, Bastian,

deezydeez wrote:wilshere

No, just no. Good player but just no. There are a ton of things he needs to improve on before getting on a list with the players who have been named and he's young so he will but he just doesn't put up any stats to be on a list like this plus he can't shoot.

My vote goes for the pig-joiner.

dnmac4 wrote:

deezydeez wrote:wilshere

No, just no. Good player but just no. There are a ton of things he needs to improve on before getting on a list with the players who have been named and he's young so he will but he just doesn't put up any stats to be on a list like this plus he can't shoot.

What you talking about Wilshere is one of the fastest players in the PL, forget the passing & vision etc he is known for. He has great stamina, pace and tackling ability too .

Adit wrote:How is cesc complete?

Cant even displace thiago as a midfielder.

Cesc is the spanish lampard lol

Well in the last 4 years he's had over 10 goals and 15 assists in 3 of those 4 years while being riddled with injuries. Not to mention his link up play and passing is on a way different level then Lampard. He's actually a very complete midfielder but he's not a destroyer and to his credit no one has ever wanted or asked him to be one.

If you look at his numbers compared to other players people are naming then it's not even close, Cesc will kill them.

dnmac4 wrote:

Adit wrote:How is cesc complete?

Cant even displace thiago as a midfielder.

Cesc is the spanish lampard lol

Well in the last 4 years he's had over 10 goals and 15 assists in 3 of those 4 years while being riddled with injuries. Not to mention his link up play and passing is on a way different level then Lampard. He's actually a very complete midfielder but he's not a destroyer and to his credit no one has ever wanted or asked him to be one.

If you look at his numbers compared to other players people are naming then it's not even close, Cesc will kill them.

How is he defensively?

Is he better than Xabi,Pirlo,Sahin etc who we didnt include as complete players in that aspect?

Cesc can't be up in this list.... one of the main the reason we switched to a 4-3-3 is because his defending is pretty poor.

Ade wrote:

dnmac4 wrote:

deezydeez wrote:wilshere

No, just no. Good player but just no. There are a ton of things he needs to improve on before getting on a list with the players who have been named and he's young so he will but he just doesn't put up any stats to be on a list like this plus he can't shoot.

What you talking about Wilshere is one of the fastest players in the PL, forget the passing & vision etc he is known for. He has great stamina, pace and tackling ability too .

So just totally ignore the fact he doesn't score or assist???? This is a list of the most complete midfielders, I said he was a good player but if you don't score or assist then how in the world can you be on this list?

Because he runs fast and has stamina he complete, give me a break.

HE has the tools to be on a list like this in the future but right now, he's not.

God, it's incredible unless you say Wilshire is the next coming of Zidane on this board you are a hater or crazy.

Again scoring should be the last priority when talking about complete midfielder.The bench mark should be Redondo.

Most players have been mentioned, but Modric? Cambiasso?

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dnmac4 wrote:

Ade wrote:

dnmac4 wrote:

deezydeez wrote:wilshere

No, just no. Good player but just no. There are a ton of things he needs to improve on before getting on a list with the players who have been named and he's young so he will but he just doesn't put up any stats to be on a list like this plus he can't shoot.

What you talking about Wilshere is one of the fastest players in the PL, forget the passing & vision etc he is known for. He has great stamina, pace and tackling ability too .

So just totally ignore the fact he doesn't score or assist???? This is a list of the most complete midfielders, I said he was a good player but if you don't score or assist then how in the world can you be on this list?

Because he runs fast and has stamina he complete, give me a break.

HE has the tools to be on a list like this in the future but right now, he's not.

God, it's incredible unless you say Wilshire is the next coming of Zidane on this board you are a hater or crazy.

Haha I knew that smiley wouldn't be good enough to convey my sarcasm, oh well I was just taking the piss outta certain Arsenal fans here

P.S. Wilshere isn't actually that fast.

Adit wrote:

dnmac4 wrote:

Adit wrote:How is cesc complete?

Cant even displace thiago as a midfielder.

Cesc is the spanish lampard lol

Well in the last 4 years he's had over 10 goals and 15 assists in 3 of those 4 years while being riddled with injuries. Not to mention his link up play and passing is on a way different level then Lampard. He's actually a very complete midfielder but he's not a destroyer and to his credit no one has ever wanted or asked him to be one.

If you look at his numbers compared to other players people are naming then it's not even close, Cesc will kill them.

How is he defensively?

Is he better than Xabi,Pirlo,Sahin etc who we didnt include as complete players in that aspect?

Dude, look at my posts on this page I said his defense was lacking but he is exceptional in all other facets of being a midfielder. It's like you can't be complete on this thread unless you are a semi DM, I just don't think thats right. I would rather have a guy who will put up huge goal and assist numbers and has incredible link up play from the back to the front and dictates the tempo of the game and is not a great defender because he's exceptional at 4/5 things. There's a reason most teams play with a DM destroyer because one player can't do everything in midfield.

Schweinsteiger is #1 by far, but then comes Marchisio in my opinion.