Re: Luiz Suarez

by worms Sun Mar 03, 2013 1:50 am

By the way I call you "Messiah" with quotation marks because it would be blasphemous to call you Messiah.Nothing personal.

by BAYERN_MUNICH Sun Mar 03, 2013 2:00 am

Lex wrote:
buddytaller wrote:He again stamped on another defender when he was on the floor, it could have been accidental but given the record of Suarez I wouldn't put it past him as being intentional.

Looks to me like he looks down for a few moments to see where the player is and decides to stamp on him anyway. Also, he breaks stride to take a shorter step just to do it, whereas he could have easily jumped over him.

Monumentally douchy

what a f*cking a**hole ... i would never ever want such a scrub to play for Bayern, no matter how good he is.

by McAgger Sun Mar 03, 2013 2:01 am

worms wrote:By the way I call you "Messiah" with quotation marks because it would be blasphemous to call you Messiah.Nothing personal.

you can call me the fake messiah like you used to Idris. Laughing

by worms Sun Mar 03, 2013 2:05 am

BAYERN_MUNICH wrote:
Lex wrote:
buddytaller wrote:He again stamped on another defender when he was on the floor, it could have been accidental but given the record of Suarez I wouldn't put it past him as being intentional.

Looks to me like he looks down for a few moments to see where the player is and decides to stamp on him anyway. Also, he breaks stride to take a shorter step just to do it, whereas he could have easily jumped over him.

Monumentally douchy

what a f*cking a**hole ... i would never ever want such a scrub to play for Bayern, no matter how good he is.

This is why I don't like him,he done it once before in the same game in the lead up to our 2nd goal.He stamped on their defenders achiellies tendon on purpose.Plus he is a consistent diver and always sarcastically claps the referees.He is just a giant shameless cheat.

by DeletedUser#1 Sun Mar 03, 2013 2:31 am

Footballers aren't born to be saints.

Maradona was a coke-head, Giggs shagged his brother's wife for a decade, Rooney slept with a 50 y,o when his wife was pregnant, Gerrard beat a DJ up because he wouldn't play his music, and many many more examples.

yet none of them get as much hostility as Suarez. They aren't born to be our role models, they get played to play football to good quality and Suarez does it.

if you don't agree, then you are a big p*ssy.

Some people talk as they themselves are saints. you do know that Masturbating is forbidden by religion, eh? I am sure every single one of you has done it, hence you are all sinners. just like Suarez.

p.s. @Bayern, thank you mate !! we'll keep him Smile

by McAgger Sun Mar 03, 2013 2:32 am

worms wrote:"Messiah" my points aren't moot at all,he has very poor vision,passing and decision making

I'll go through your points 1 by 1.

Spoiler:

very poor vision and passing right? I won't post anymore evidence as the other videos I found are match highlights and not individual instances showing his passing. However, if you do want more evidence PM me and I'll give you the link to MOTD highlights of all of PL matches this season where there all plenty amazing passes and vision shown by Suarez.

Poor decision making would be someone like Downing or Sterling, who don't know when to pass, when to dribble, when to shoot. He's not the best in the world at decision making (few can compare with the likes of Iniesta, Ozil, Pirlo, Messi, etc. in that department) but he still is a very good decision maker.

by McAgger Sun Mar 03, 2013 2:38 am

worms wrote:Just look at him whenever he receives the ball,he has his head down and doesn't look up.

This is fabricated! Whenever means all the time. He does that about 20-30% of the time when he's playing next to the likes of Sterling and Downing (who both have no idea what it means to make a run behind the defense and get themselves open). Even then 70-80% of the time he looks up. When he's got Sturridge and Coutinho with him, his head is always up looking for the run and the pass. Quality of his attacking partners comes into play here. When he's isolated upfront by himself, what other choice does he have other than to hold on to the ball and force his way in.

by McAgger Sun Mar 03, 2013 2:44 am

worms wrote:He will try and dribble players when he shouldn't,on numerous occasions every game.

Again if I was playing with Sterling, Shelvey, Joe Cole, and Downing for majority of the season I would also refrain from passing to them all the time. He doesn't trust those guys and to good measure too, whenever he does pass to them they do f*ck all with the ball. This is especially true, because ever since we've gotten Sturridge, Suarez has been looking for the pass to the quality man next to him.

Also his playing role in the team allows him to be selfish at times. Everyone knows he has to carry the attack almost single handedly (before Coutinho and Sturridge arrived) so it was his job to be selfish at times and take control of the ball.

by McAgger Sun Mar 03, 2013 2:52 am

worms wrote:
How often should he pass to set one of our players up but he attempts to shoot or dribble?

I would much rather see Suarez shoot one than a tame shot from Sterling or a wayward skied shot from Shelvey. Because the amount of times he's set these guys up and they've f*cked the chances up is unbelievable.

Why do you think Suarez won the Copa America and MVP of the tournament with Uruguay. He was their star man however he had much more quality around him (especially in attack).

by McAgger Sun Mar 03, 2013 3:01 am

worms wrote:
Top 10 player in the world He is 26 and has barely done anything at club level.

Scores 50 goals with Ajax in one season, also has 20+ goals every season full season with Ajax. Won and Eredivisie and KNVB in Netherlands. Won player of the year in Eredivisie as well. Two Cup Finals (and one trophy) with Liverpool in 2.5 years. Was comfortably on his way to get 20+ goals last season if not for the racism row. Will get 30+ this season. Won the league title with Nacional in Uruguay as well.

Barely done anything at club level??? hmm

by McAgger Sun Mar 03, 2013 3:16 am

worms wrote:
How come us and Tottenham were the only clubs who wanted him when he was at Ajax? Why didn't any of the big boys like Madrid,Barca or Bayern want him?

Top 40 player,yes.Go and look at the 37 players I named better than him in the other thread,they are all class players.

I remember him being linked with both Madrid and Barca when he was still at Ajax. That's your own fault if you don't remember. How true those rumors were I cannot tell and neither can you as none of us were in the position to know for sure other than pure speculation.

Ibra,Iniesta,Messi,Ribery,RVP,NeymarPirlo,CR7,Xavi,Busquets,Swinestiger,Muller,Ribery,Robben,Falcao,Marchisso,Montolivo,Ozil,DiMaria,Bale,Alonso,Gotze,Reus,Aguero,Dzeko,Silva,Mata,Cavani,Willian,Fernandinho,Hulk,Jovetic,Isco,Carzola,Martinez,Villa,Lewdoski,Benzema,Higuian,De Rossi.

First of all that list is just your biased opinion which means jack squat. Second it's just laughable. You say Cavani is better than him, yet every time they play together for Uruguay he outperforms Cavani, and any Uruguayan will tell you that Suarez is their better player. There goes Cavani and he's actually one of the legit names on that list. I won't even go into the likes of Montolivo, Fernandino, Willian, Martinez, etc.

by worms Sun Mar 03, 2013 3:44 am

Harry Redknapp wrote:Footballers aren't born to be saints.

Maradona was a coke-head, Giggs shagged his brother's wife for a decade, Rooney slept with a 50 y,o when his wife was pregnant, Gerrard beat a DJ up because he wouldn't play his music, and many many more examples.

yet none of them get as much hostility as Suarez. They aren't born to be our role models, they get played to play football to good quality and Suarez does it.

if you don't agree, then you are a big p*ssy.

Some people talk as they themselves are saints. you do know that Masturbating is forbidden by religion, eh? I am sure every single one of you has done it, hence you are all sinners. just like Suarez.

p.s. @Bayern, thank you mate !! we'll keep him

Of course I am a sinner,every Israelite is but that is why we must ask for forgiveness from Yeshua as he died on the cross for our sins.

This has nothing to do with Suarez either,nobody is asking him to be a "saint",I would just like him to stop cheating all the time.

by worms Sun Mar 03, 2013 3:52 am

I probably go over the top when criticizing him as I don't like him.I also have some minor psychological issues which at times can make me take it out on other people,even if I don't know them.I begin to hate people for little reason sometimes.I think it's with our clubs failure in recent years and some humiliating events(Evra gate,spending so much money on rubbish,some of kennys interviews etc) that have made me lose faith with the club/team and thus I take it out on the focal point of the team.The truth is probably somewhere in between what me and you have said when discussing his passing,vision,decision making etc

Still think he's relatively poor at those attributes.I like the look of Coutinho.Him,Suarez and Sturriage is quite exciting as a Liverpool fan I must say.

by Red Alert Sun Mar 03, 2013 6:46 am

Harry Redknapp wrote:Gerrard beat a DJ up because he wouldn't play his music, and many many more examples.

When did this happen?

And I'd like to hear more examples. Laughing

by Red Alert Sun Mar 03, 2013 6:47 am

worms wrote:.Him,Suarez and Sturriage is quite exciting as a Liverpool fan I must say.

Who exactly are you trying to fool? lol

by McAgger Sun Mar 03, 2013 6:59 am

ynwa wrote:
Harry Redknapp wrote:Gerrard beat a DJ up because he wouldn't play his music, and many many more examples.

When did this happen?

And I'd like to hear more examples.

You don't remember. It was in late 2008 I think. He went to court in 09. Got cleared because of self defense I think. The other guy threw the first punch.

by Red Alert Sun Mar 03, 2013 7:12 am

I remember that. He didn't go up to the man and hit him because he didn't play Stevie's music though lol.

Gerrard's mate elbowed the guy and the guy came for Gerrard. So Gerrard reacted.

by BAYERN_MUNICH Sun Mar 03, 2013 4:45 pm

Harry Redknapp wrote:Footballers aren't born to be saints.

Maradona was a coke-head, Giggs shagged his brother's wife for a decade, Rooney slept with a 50 y,o when his wife was pregnant, Gerrard beat a DJ up because he wouldn't play his music, and many many more examples.

yet none of them get as much hostility as Suarez. They aren't born to be our role models, they get played to play football to good quality and Suarez does it.

if you don't agree, then you are a big p*ssy.

Some people talk as they themselves are saints. you do know that Masturbating is forbidden by religion, eh? I am sure every single one of you has done it, hence you are all sinners. just like Suarez.

p.s. @Bayern, thank you mate !! we'll keep him

If you read through your own text, you will notice that every example you gave has something to do with privat thing off the pitch , and that's exactly the point.
Suarez is an asshole on the pitch, i would'nt care if he would just be an asshole off the pitch.

by stevieg8 Sun Mar 03, 2013 8:36 pm

BAYERN_MUNICH wrote:
Harry Redknapp wrote:Footballers aren't born to be saints.

Maradona was a coke-head, Giggs shagged his brother's wife for a decade, Rooney slept with a 50 y,o when his wife was pregnant, Gerrard beat a DJ up because he wouldn't play his music, and many many more examples.

yet none of them get as much hostility as Suarez. They aren't born to be our role models, they get played to play football to good quality and Suarez does it.

if you don't agree, then you are a big p*ssy.

Some people talk as they themselves are saints. you do know that Masturbating is forbidden by religion, eh? I am sure every single one of you has done it, hence you are all sinners. just like Suarez.

p.s. @Bayern, thank you mate !! we'll keep him

If you read through your own text, you will notice that every example you gave has something to do with privat thing off the pitch , and that's exactly the point.
Suarez is an asshole on the pitch, i would'nt care if he would just be an asshole off the pitch.

Maybe I'm weird, but I'd rather someone who's a good person in the real world and an a-hole when playing a game. Something tells me one of those two is more important, and it's not the one being discussed in this thread...

Not to mention the fact that his calmness off the pitch show that his cheating/a-holeness/whateveryouwannacallit is just a part of his competitive fire, and I'll take that Michael Jordan attitude any day of the week on my team. If you'd rather stick with tentative, "I'm-not-sure-if-I-should-do-this-even-though-it-will-win-me-the-game" types, I'm all for it.

by Red Alert Mon Mar 04, 2013 6:14 am

Forget those who sit in warm, comfortable studios in front of giant television screens mounted on walls; disregard the column inches and opinion polls. Those who know Luis Suarez best have spoken.

Discourse positive and negative will always rest alongside the Uruguayan. For now, focus on the positive. There is so much of it. Football, for all the machinations and melodrama, is fun and there are few more fun to watch than Suarez, especially at his inspirational best in Liverpool's 4-0 win against Wigan.

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He is in a three-way race with Gareth Bale and Robin van Persie for the Player of the Year awards -- it is a race he can't win, won't win. Writers will not vote for him, for he is not as clean-cut as the archangelic Bale, nor does he play for a team as successful as Van Persie's. Players will not vote for him, either; those who would do so are unable to, as they still sit in a darkened room, rocking back and forth, tormented.

Whether he deserves those accolades or not is immaterial. During Liverpool's victory, he received something far more important: recognition of the highest esteem from the 4,000 Liverpool fans who stood attentively inside the DW Stadium.

This is not necessarily anything new -- Suarez has always had recognition from those who flock to watch him. A canal could bear his name in Groningen and few would protest; a statue of him could stand outside Ajax's Amsterdam Arena and people would queue to touch it. There is something so inviting about Suarez, he leaves nothing left to wonder, his intentions always clear. He plays as any supporter would if they were born with such demonic talent.

But this was recognition of a different kind. As he sprawled in front of the away support with his hat-trick confirmed, he received short, sharp claps before the sharp, short shout of his surname: Suarez. This simple chant is -- simply put -- reserved for the finest forwards Liverpool fans have seen. Kenny Dalglish and Robbie Fowler's surnames were forever prefixed by those nine short bursts of applause. Even Fernando Torres received such adoration when Anfield didn't bounce to his other merry tune.

Liverpool fans have chanted his name before, of course, but never with such gusto, such gratification, such gratitude. An unspoken bond between all behind the goal on which he scored his third strike, one that should be acknowledged by all: It is time to ignore the rumours about his departure and the peripheral nonsense that surrounds Suarez. It is time to enjoy him and fall into the clutches of hedonism. Most importantly, it is time to let him know all this, because running, scuttling, scoring before them is someone who is fast becoming one of the best Liverpool players in a generation.

This game was not meant to be about him.

This was meant to be about the way Philippe Coutinho looked so comfortable on the ball in his first start away from Anfield, drifting inside from the left wing and providing both Suarez and Stewart Downing with easy finishes. This was meant to be about Downing and the fortitude he exhibited to put Liverpool in control just 100 seconds into the game. It was meant to be about Pepe Reina finding form once more, Joe Allen's first crucial step toward redemption or Steven Gerrard and Lucas Leiva striking the right balance in the midfield.

But this is what Suarez in all his controlled frenzy does, rewriting narratives in the blink of an eye. He was not even as devastating with the ball as other times this season, simply devastating in front of goal, his off-the-ball movement leaving Emmerson Boyce a jittering wreck. Boyce also jabbed team-mate James McArthur in the face midway through the first half, the heated words exchanged no doubt relating to whose turn it was to attend to Suarez next. Few people bound up the gallows voluntarily.

The 26-year-old will look at this hat-trick ball -- his third of the season -- with fondness. His first goal was clinical, his second devilishly fortuitous, his final one caressed with the outside of his exceptional right boot and between Ali Al Habsi's legs. How apt that a player who delights in the nutmeg would enjoy his most celebrated finish in the same manner.

Suarez has now scored 21 league goals this season, 28 in all competitions. With just 90 appearances so far for Liverpool, he is just one goal away from his half century. That more than half of his goals for the club have come this season is a sign of the side's new-found attacking verve. The striker will be keen to tip his hat to the team-mates who habitually fall to the wayside because of his brilliance.

So it proved again at Wigan, where he kissed Coutinho upon his unblemished cheek, high-fived Downing enthusiastically and joked with Glen Johnson throughout. What you see of Suarez is not just individual brilliance, but a collective effort to bring the best out of him.

The worry that Daniel Sturridge's absence would be felt in the same way it was at home to West Brom a fortnight previous evaporated within two minutes. Coutinho looks a player capable of taking responsibility to create chances. Fresh from his fine cross for the opener, the Brazilian's ball to Suarez for his first goal was perfect synchronicity. Ball leaves foot, ball finds foot, ball finds goal. Football can be a simple game sometimes.

On the other side, Downing helped the side keep their shape and constantly moved infield when defending, covering spaces left by Gerrard and Allen. Though the midfield trio of Gerrard, Allen and Lucas has failed to work throughout the season, here it seemed reinvigorated, no doubt attributed to the nine-day break in between matches. Behind those three, the full backs were impressive in tandem, while Reina edged nearer to the form that made him so revered on Merseyside.

This was a clinical Liverpool, something that has not been easy to say in recent years. There was none of profligacy that slightly soured other resounding wins recently. Liverpool took just eight shots in 90 minutes, seven on target. In truth, they needed little else -- Wigan were the poorest side Liverpool have faced in the Premier League this season, their meagre surrender two minutes in a worrying sign as they prepare for another struggle with relegation.

Do not take anything away from the visitors, however -- they have played worse and lost. It is too soon, too folly, to talk of pennies dropping and corners turning, but there does seem to be a new intent to Liverpool's attacking play. This is now 12 goals in the past three games; their past six league victories have seen 24 goals with no reply. There are lies, damned lies and statistics twisted at every turn, of course -- but then there is also seeing the likes of Suarez, Coutinho, Gerrard, Downing and the absent Sturridge working together to great effect.

With 10 games left, all eyes will be on Suarez to see what he can achieve. Top of the league's scoring charts and just seven short of equalling Fowler's haul of 28 -- the best Premier League total from a Liverpool player. It is no surprise that after 28 games, this is Liverpool's best goal-scoring season since 1996-97.

Brendan Rodgers and his squad will be quite happy for the focus to remain on Suarez as they try to climb up the table, reintroducing a winning mentality at the club along the way. Likewise, Suarez will be happy to keep getting the plaudits. Some would say Suarez and Liverpool make a lovely couple, though others would claim it is one destined for heartbreak.

For now, it's just a partnership worth enjoying, for it is one bringing the best out of both. And there are few things more fun in football than a Liverpool side with such swagger and a Suarez with such marvel.

That, above all, will always be more important than any Player of the Year award.

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