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Post by ErPupone Fri Nov 25, 2011 5:30 pm

So in what minute will Pinzi be red carded? I'm going with 76th.

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Post by McLewis Fri Nov 25, 2011 6:33 pm

Think it's gonna come earlier than that lol...I'll say 58th if their losing and 67th if they're not.
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Post by sukrut23 Fri Nov 25, 2011 9:47 pm

Poor poor display by our strikers especially Lamela. Pjanic also had a good chance so did Osvaldo but it wasnt to be.

Greco over Perrotta 0_o

p.s.-- The 'experiment' isint working.
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Post by McLewis Fri Nov 25, 2011 10:43 pm

Meh, we were undone by 2 preventable, but late goals.

I'm not terribly broken up about this loss. We proved be a tough nut for Udinese to crack and if Kjaer hadn't picked up that knock, he'd have stopped Di Natale I feel. Their second was simply due to Armero's beastiness, Taddei had a torrid time with him all match.

Pjanic really should've put that chance away in the first half. He could've at least test Handanovic, who would've parried it right into the path of Lamela for the goal. Osvaldo's chance in the second was also one that went begging.

The display from midfield is what lost us this game ultimately. Greco simply wasn't good enough. Gago was quiet and a bit wasteful in possession and De Rossi was forced into mopping up behind them both, which hindered his own participation in the attacks.

All in all, it wasn't a bad loss. We really caused problems for Udinese when in possession and getting into good positions, but once again our finishing let us down and ultimately so did the defending at the end. It was always going to be a tough match, but now we've got to move on.
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Post by ErPupone Sat Nov 26, 2011 4:00 am

It was a scrappy game, lots of lackluster touches on our part. Udinese had a pretty good defensive record going into this match, so we had to take the chances we were given. As Neal said, Pjanic in the first half and then Osvaldo in the second had to do better. Aside from that, they were our most noticeable players. Taddei and Angel had their hands full with Armero and Basta respectively. Juan had a decent game, though his positioning was a little suspect at times, same goes for Kjaer. In midfield, Greco wasn't on his game tonight, lost possession too often and just couldn't get into the rhythm of the match. Lamela was in and out, a few nice flashes but failed to produce anything special.

As for Luis Enrique's decisions, I think he waited a little too long to bring on Bojan and I would've preferred seeing Simplicio come on instead of Perrotta. I would have also liked to see us use a little more width, rather than always having our players cut in (Angel and Osvaldo especially) onto their weaker foot.
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Post by schnix Sat Nov 26, 2011 5:28 am

just another typical match. injury, late goals, etc

im not gutted since i was only expecting a draw. we really should have done bettwr though. we were more reactive than proactive. we didnt see enough of the ball and when we did we werent efficient wth it , as always. like mentioned before, had kjaer not been injured things couldnt been different. but thats stikl excuse for a poor perfor.ance. udineae sinply played better than US and thoroughly deswrved the win. isla and armero dominated the flanks and we couldnt play with any width....
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Post by sukrut23 Sat Nov 26, 2011 5:38 am

We were the better team last night. We created more chances, a good defensive display and kept Dinatale in check(before the goal) but we just couldnt score. Very happy with the display considering we were away.

On to some really amateurish tactics by Luis Enrique. He decided to start with Greco over Simplicio and Perrotta in a very crunch tie and unluckily it didnt work for Greco and Luis. I feel he asked too much form the young fella even when better and experienced options were available.

Bojan vs Lamela --- sure Bojan missed a lotta chances last time but he has scored more and is more experinced than Lamela also i think Lamela was poor against Lecce and last night againat Udinese. To start him over Bojan took out our attacking flair and it was evident.

The Gago substitution --- Gago was subbed off for Bojan on 73mins, a defensive mid for a forward, normally such steps are taken when the team is trailing and such a sub could throw in some required attacking strength up field but when Bojan was brought on the score was 0-0 and within 5 mins we went down to Dinatale's goal. Very poor decision if you ask me.

This is not the first time because of Luis's horrible tactics we have lost a game in which we deserved more and i am sure its not goint to be the last.
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Post by chaval Sat Nov 26, 2011 5:59 am

I think Udinese played a bit better. Much more compact on defense and threatend more.

I was impressed with Juan, I think he played well. Good to see him back.
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Post by Patrick Bateman Sat Nov 26, 2011 6:58 am

1 step forward 2 steps back.The highlight of our season so far.

Another typical LE BS selection..

Why can't you stick with the same 11 for christ sake...is it that hard to understand ?

Greco WTF ? why the hell didn't Bojan start ? Pjanic as amf ?

Also why no Simplicio ? did he sleep with your wife or something ?



Keep this up son and you'll be shown the door very soon...

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Post by schnix Sat Nov 26, 2011 8:05 am

The Fonz wrote:1 step forward 2 steps back.The highlight of our season so far.

Another typical LE BS selection..

Why can't you stick with the same 11 for christ sake...is it that hard to understand ?

Greco WTF ? why the hell didn't Bojan start ? Pjanic as amf ?

Also why no Simplicio ? did he sleep with your wife or something ?



Keep this up son and you'll be shown the door very soon...


i think we established why we shouldn't start bojan. but i really think simplicio should play more often. he provides good movement, flair, and work rate. i don't ever recall him ever having a bad game for us, even under ranieri/montella's reigns. very underrated player, just like pizarro
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Post by McLewis Sat Nov 26, 2011 11:58 am

I'm really not going to criticize LE's sub decisions. He threw on Bojan for Gago to try and get us going in attack and pull a goal back. It backfired obviously as Udinese gained total control in midfield and we were missing that extra man to close them down on the counter, which lead to the 2nd goal. It's an example of that "attack, attack, attack" mentality and why we're going to lose games like this more often than not.
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Post by ErPupone Sat Nov 26, 2011 5:32 pm

Of course another useless basing of Enrique. He's not completely without blame, but ffs to say he cost us the game is a little much. That starting 11 was fine, with the only doubt for me being Greco-Simplicio. Bojan, after the game against Lecce, deserved to start on the bench. The Pjanic-Lamela-Osvaldo trident was the best one possible.

During the match, I had one criticism for Enrique which had to do with the Gago-Bojan switch. It was made too late, and Greco should have been taken off instead. There's no problem with the fact that he took out a midfielder for a striker, because all he had to do was move Pjanic back into midfield and Lamela as a trequartista. Around the 65th minute, I would've switched to this:

Stekelenburg

Taddei Juan Kjaer Angel

Gago

De Rossi Pjanic

Lamela

Bojan Osvaldo

And Sukrut, Lamela took out our offensive flair? You mean our best dribbler and quickest forward took out our flair? Sorry, what you said makes no sense. And don't assume a causal effect between a substitution and a goal. We lost our concentration there, because De Rossi pressed too far up. It's going to take time to get our defense straightened out because our pressing is a little too disjointed. De Rossi, instead of staying back, was too aggressive and it allowed Di Natale to break through. That's going to make the difference in a game like this one, which tires you out incredibly since it was practically a stalemate for 75-80 minutes. It's too easy to say that an offensive substitution led to us conceding a goal.
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Post by Patrick Bateman Sat Nov 26, 2011 6:52 pm

So Bojan had an off night against Lecce,but besides that we played very well as a team ,our best game of the season imo..We shouldn't lose faith in him..

Thats why I'm pissed off that he wasn't brought on earlier and like Mike pointed out LE screwed by taking of Gago and leaving on Greco who was having a terrible game..

How will we ever build team chemistry if he keep choping and *bleep* changing every single match..This isn't Spanish football were you will get away it, Italian football is a way more tactical and LE better realise this sooner rather than later...
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Post by sukrut23 Sun Nov 27, 2011 2:55 pm

McLewis wrote:I'm really not going to criticize LE's sub decisions. He threw on Bojan for Gago to try and get us going in attack and pull a goal back. It backfired obviously as Udinese gained total control in midfield and we were missing that extra man to close them down on the counter, which lead to the 2nd goal. It's an example of that "attack, attack, attack" mentality and why we're going to lose games like this more often than not.

bojan was brought on when the score was 0-0 and not 1-0. Did you really catch the game?
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Post by sukrut23 Sun Nov 27, 2011 3:22 pm

ErPupone wrote:Of course another useless basing of Enrique. He's not completely without blame, but ffs to say he cost us the game is a little much. That starting 11 was fine, with the only doubt for me being Greco-Simplicio. Bojan, after the game against Lecce, deserved to start on the bench. The Pjanic-Lamela-Osvaldo trident was the best one possible.

During the match, I had one criticism for Enrique which had to do with the Gago-Bojan switch. It was made too late, and Greco should have been taken off instead. There's no problem with the fact that he took out a midfielder for a striker, because all he had to do was move Pjanic back into midfield and Lamela as a trequartista. Around the 65th minute, I would've switched to this:

Stekelenburg

Taddei Juan Kjaer Angel

Gago

De Rossi Pjanic

Lamela

Bojan Osvaldo

And Sukrut, Lamela took out our offensive flair? You mean our best dribbler and quickest forward took out our flair? Sorry, what you said makes no sense. And don't assume a causal effect between a substitution and a goal. We lost our concentration there, because De Rossi pressed too far up. It's going to take time to get our defense straightened out because our pressing is a little too disjointed. De Rossi, instead of staying back, was too aggressive and it allowed Di Natale to break through. That's going to make the difference in a game like this one, which tires you out incredibly since it was practically a stalemate for 75-80 minutes. It's too easy to say that an offensive substitution led to us conceding a goal.

Whatever you said about Lamela may be true but i havent seen it in the last 2 games, he has been very ordinary. My comment meant Bojan has more goals in him than Lamela.

About the subs, i said what really happned if it was something eles or if i was wrong put it out there.
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