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Post by xabi Thu Nov 03, 2011 12:15 pm

So Ibra has written a book about himself and in it he describes chapters in his Barcelona life which has not been mentioned before.

In the book he wrote that Pep wanted to play him in another position and that Messi forced him out of his central role. Ibra got an outrage and said some pretty disturbing things about Guardiola calling him an idiot and saying he has gotten no balls etc.

He also described that Henry felt the same way and that they used to talk crap behind Pep's back.

My point is, do you hate Ibra now or would you react in a similar way if you were in a simliar situation as ibra?

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Post by billionmillion Thu Nov 03, 2011 12:26 pm

Why he can not get over it..I never seen a butthurt player like this before.
He always played in center in his barcelona days
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Post by urbaNRoots Thu Nov 03, 2011 12:36 pm

xabi doing a huntsman :facepalm: pretending he's a Barca fan just to troll their section.
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Post by BarcaKizz Thu Nov 03, 2011 12:39 pm

Eh? What book... Link please? And you've explained it horribly.
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Post by xabi Thu Nov 03, 2011 12:42 pm

BarcaKizz wrote:Eh? What book... Link please? And you've explained it horribly.

http://www.fotbollskanalen.se/1.2348679/2011/11/03/zlatans_vansinnesattack_mot_guardiola_du_har_inga_pungkulor_dra_at_helvete

swedish though
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Post by guest7 Thu Nov 03, 2011 12:43 pm

look at the general section, i posted it too. he translated it right and its true, taken straight from zlatans book
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Post by BarcaKizz Thu Nov 03, 2011 1:05 pm

OK. Well all I can say is what a fail... He's simply unprofessional... if everything isn't catered to his desires he can't deal with it. He refused to even give Guardiola's idea a shot? No wonder he was punished... what an idiot. He could maybe have his elusive Champions League if he gave it a shot.

Do I hate him? No, but I wouldn't want him back at the club and it reveals his weakness as a player.

As for Henry, he's a respectful man, I doubt he talked sh*t like is claimed. I presume it was more him complaining and sympathising with Ibra about little gametime. Notice Henry hasn't complained? Notice he never kicked up a fuss at Barca?
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Post by xabi Thu Nov 03, 2011 2:35 pm

BarcaKizz here you go: http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/88/spain/2011/11/03/2741170/ac-milans-zlatan-ibrahimovic-says-barcelonas-pep-guardiola
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Post by Nirgall Thu Nov 03, 2011 2:41 pm

I don't see how that mades Guardiola a coward, If he thought Messi would do better in a central role than Ibra it was his duty as a coach to play him there. I would have been cowardlike not to.

And as time proved, he was right.
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Post by BarcaKizz Thu Nov 03, 2011 2:57 pm

Xabi, refer to my reply above and thanks for that link... it just confirms my feelings.

Horrible professionalism lol. What a muppet.

I'll post here so others can see and I'll annotate it:

"I yelled to him, 'You have no balls!' And probably worse things than that. And I added, 'You are sh***ing yourself about Mourinho! You can go to hell!' I was completely mad. If I were Guardiola, I would have been frightened," Ibrahimovic writes in the first chapter of his book.

Hugely disrespectful and simply sad. He is openly admitting to throwing a tantrum. And frightened? Haha... now Guardiola has Mou's number.

The former Ajax star also took the time to reveal his true feelings for Barcelona trio Lionel Messi, Andres Iniesta and Xavi.

"The atmosphere in the dressing room was way too quiet for me. Messi, Iniesta and Xavi always obeyed without protesting. They were like schoolboys. I'm not like that and I couldn't be myself," Ibrahimovic wrote.

Thanks Ibra, for revealing that our 3 amigos are also model professionals. Listen to your coach, if he's doing things right, do what he says. Always think of the team. All 3 of these players have the power to stand up and change the scene at Barca if need be, but they would be idiots to stand up to Pep... Thanks Ibra again for proving this point. Uneasy in the dressing room? See you later.

Ibrahimovic also explained that Messi is Guardiola's favorite, while also stating that the coach made little attempt to communicate with him.

"Messi asked to be played in another position. He wanted to play as center forward and got his way. I didn't have a relationship with the coach. He hardly looked at me," he wrote.

So Guardiola made perhaps the greatest positional change in football's history and Ibra is butthurt because it impacted upon him. Amazing how stupid this guy is... Guardiola recognised that the best way forward was to play Messi where he could have 100% influence. So its rightly so that Messi was Pep's favourite in comparison to a bitter guy who wouldn't play out of position. Ibra probably deserved his treatment. Why didn't he just attempt to play where Guardiola wanted him to? Backed his ability and gave it a shot, maybe he could have improved too.

This is just hilarious how Ibra is trying to get the world on his side and on the contrary he has completely justified Pep's actions :facepalm:
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Thu Nov 03, 2011 3:02 pm

I don't see how this makes Pep look bad at all... and it's really nothing new. We knew Ibra felt bad about his position change, but his level started dropping before then. We knew he didn't fit in the dressing room before. We knew he is still not over his exit at Barca.

I guess the only real piece of news is the dynamics within the team, and that Messi was the one that asked to be played as a CF, not just Pep playing him there.
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Post by guest7 Thu Nov 03, 2011 3:26 pm

BarrileteCosmico wrote:I don't see how this makes Pep look bad at all... and it's really nothing new. We knew Ibra felt bad about his position change, but his level started dropping before then. We knew he didn't fit in the dressing room before. We knew he is still not over his exit at Barca.

I guess the only real piece of news is the dynamics within the team, and that Messi was the one that asked to be played as a CF, not just Pep playing him there.

According to the Swedish one I read all Zlatan did was tell Pep how he felt about the position change where Pep responded "that he will fix it" and then benched Zlatan. Zlatan got furious over being benched and they started a fight

So basicly Pep ignored Zlatan just becouse he gave his ideas... If that doesn't portrait Pep in a wrong way then what is......
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Post by The Franchise Thu Nov 03, 2011 3:37 pm

Oh Ibra....¨

I always liked him as a player and still do. I often found him funny and a pleasant change for the robotic players who have zero personality.

However, his quotes here borderline on crazy and it shows a lack of professionalism I didnt expect from him.

I knew he was a little crazy, but the niavity of his words are eye opening to say the least.

Kizz has explained the specifics of each point, so I dont have anything to add.

He really doesnt understand what it takes to win at the highest level.

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Post by kiranr Thu Nov 03, 2011 3:45 pm

omarish wrote:
BarrileteCosmico wrote:I don't see how this makes Pep look bad at all... and it's really nothing new. We knew Ibra felt bad about his position change, but his level started dropping before then. We knew he didn't fit in the dressing room before. We knew he is still not over his exit at Barca.

I guess the only real piece of news is the dynamics within the team, and that Messi was the one that asked to be played as a CF, not just Pep playing him there.

According to the Swedish one I read all Zlatan did was tell Pep how he felt about the position change where Pep responded "that he will fix it" and then benched Zlatan. Zlatan got furious over being benched and they started a fight

So basicly Pep ignored Zlatan just becouse he gave his ideas... If that doesn't portrait Pep in a wrong way then what is......

Maybe Pep would have fixed it by changing Ibra's position. But that would not have been acceptable to Ibra.

Whatever the case, there will always be employees who hate the boss. Ibra is just one of them. It just shows Pep has his flaws too. If anyone is being portrayed in a bad way here, it is Ibra...
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Post by Onyx Thu Nov 03, 2011 3:59 pm

Why did Pep sign Ibra if Messi was going to play at CF?

And what other positions does Ibra play other than CF?


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Post by BarrileteCosmico Thu Nov 03, 2011 5:21 pm

omarish wrote:According to the Swedish one I read all Zlatan did was tell Pep how he felt about the position change where Pep responded "that he will fix it" and then benched Zlatan. Zlatan got furious over being benched and they started a fight

So basicly Pep ignored Zlatan just becouse he gave his ideas... If that doesn't portrait Pep in a wrong way then what is......

But like I said, Ibra was playing badly even before the position change. Also, Ibra's not willing to play other positions? Wtf? Who does he think he is? If he puts himself above the team then he should've gone
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Post by The Franchise Thu Nov 03, 2011 5:36 pm

mtfootball wrote:Why did Pep sign Ibra if Messi was going to play at CF?

And what other positions does Ibra play other than CF?


Ibra started out as centerforward, he played there all his games. Pep played Messi on the right on paper, but in reality he was directly behind Ibra like a second striker.

All that this lead to was space taken up for Messi to move into, therefore remove that player and give Messi that space. Seeing as he is the best in the team, that makes perfect sense.

In theory, Ibra could/should of worked, but I think his lack of mobility was overlooked (even by guys as smart as Pep and Cruyff).

Ibra overall as a player is a tactical problem because he is too slow to be a striker up front on his own in a team who need that player to stretch the defence and give the midfielders room and passing options.

He needs someone in front of him who will run (which he has at Milan in Pato) or you have to play directly to him with longer balls and have him do a little bit of everything and with that freedom.

Didnt get that at Barca for obvious reasons.
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Post by The Franchise Thu Nov 03, 2011 5:45 pm

The whole situation has only enhanced my respect for Pep, if in fact it true.

Just because Ibra said it, doesnt make it true, he is trying to sell books. Dont be niave into thinking he isnt fabricating.

But even if it is all true, Pep had a very difficult job on his hands. The most expensive player in the clubs history, a multi champion and one of the best players in the world who he wanted. He then realised he doesnt fit the team like he wants and Ibra being Ibra obviously cannot handle the situation in the ideal way for all involved and then toys are out the pram.

Its a hard situation to be in, smack bang in the middle of a season where titles are up for grabs.

Pep dealt with it and didnt let the wheels fall off, in the end, we still won La Liga.

Pep ignored Ibra? If it is true, we dont know the whole story and after Ibra´s outrageous comments why should Pep reach out to him? He doesnt want him as a player and he has now been insulted personally.

What Ibra doesnt realize is, the TEAM is the priority to Pep, not Ibra and not any individual. The team.

If he can do without Ibra and the team is better off, who gives a crap about Ibra with the attitude he has shown?

Ibra´s comments abotu Xavi, Iniesta and Messi are more disappointing then anything to me. Sad to think, listening to the man in charge who has done all Pep has done is somehow a bad thing?

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Post by the xcx Thu Nov 03, 2011 6:06 pm

I so want to read the book, its gonna be lulz worthy Very Happy
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Post by billionmillion Thu Nov 03, 2011 6:20 pm

"messi wanted to play cf and he did" so after that problems started between pep and ibrahimovic. so it basically means messi is the reason he left barcelona

but everyone speaks for their own benefit, so who knows what pep will say if he speaks

anyhow i never seen a better tactic to sell the book
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Post by Arquitecto Thu Nov 03, 2011 6:25 pm

“Joining Barcelona was a childhood dream and I was walking on air. It started well but then Messi started to talk,” Ibra, 30-year-old, writes. “He wanted to play in the middle, not on the wing, so the system changed from 4-3-3 to 4-5-1. I was sacrificed and no longer had the freedom on the pitch I need to succeed.

“So I asked for a meeting with Guardiola – for a discussion, not an argument. I said I was being used in the wrong way and that they shouldn’t have bought me if they wanted another type of player. I told him what a friend had said to me – ‘you bought a Ferrari but drive it like a Fiat’,” the Milan striker adds in his book.

“The chat seemed to go well but then Guardiola started to freeze me out. I would walk into a room; he would leave. He would greet everyone by saying hello, but would ignore me. I had done a lot to adapt – the Barca players were like schoolboys, following the Coach blindly, whereas I was used to asking ‘why?’. I like guys who run red lights, not pedantic and strict rules. I tried to be overly nice, didn’t dare lose my temper.

“But after this I stopped trying to adapt. For example, at Barcelona, players were banned from driving their sports cars to training. I thought this was ridiculous – it was certainly not the club’s business what car I drive – so in April, before a match with Almeria, I drove my Ferrari Enzo to training and it caused a scene.”

The next incident took place after Barcelona’s semi-final exit in the Champions League, as Jose Mourinho’s Inter knocked them out. As reported by various media outlets, this is what Ibra has written of his “conversation” with Pep after the game: “(Guardiola) was staring at me and I lost it. I thought ‘there is my enemy, scratching his bald head’. I yelled to him: ‘you have no balls!’ And probably worse things than that. I added: ‘You are shitting yourself because of [Mourinho]. You can go to hell!’ I was completely mad.


“I threw a box full of training gear across the room, it crashed to the floor and Pep said nothing, just put stuff back in the box. I’m not violent, but if I were Guardiola I would have been frightened.”
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Post by billionmillion Thu Nov 03, 2011 6:43 pm

so it basically means he made mourinho and all other coaches his bitch and pep is the only coach that didnt play to his songs. again this article brings nothing bad for pep's reputation
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Post by Albiceleste Thu Nov 03, 2011 7:45 pm

LOL at Ibra questioning Pep, he's your manager ffs, if Pep tells you to jump you don't ask why, you say how high?

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Post by BarcaKizz Fri Nov 04, 2011 12:43 am

Zlatan: Guardiola has no balls Zlatan-Ibrahimovic-Manchester-City-20111
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Post by free_cat Fri Nov 04, 2011 9:27 am

All it proves is that Pep actually has balls, standing against the demands of a 1.94cm guy who is a black belt in Taekwondo.

Anyway, not that "having balls" is an attributte very needed for a coach.

At least in my Football Manager videogame, coaches don't have an attribute 1 to 20 for "having balls".
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