I'm tired of seeing people's expectations for this club sky rocket just because we have a new owner, more money and better squad. That will not make us play better instantly, fellas.

If you were expecting us to challenge for the scudetto and for CL places, forget about it. It's not happening. It never was going to happen this season and if you were under that illusion then you didn't pay attention very well to everything that happened this summer.

We have 11 new players this season. 1 speaks Italian fluently. The rest either don't or are still learning. What does that say about the current state of chemistry with this team? And yet some of you want these 11 new guys to click instantly with the stalwarts and icons of this club and somehow magically and telepathically gell within 2 months of playing with each other as a team. And all of this under a Spanish coach, who himself does not speak good Italian yet.

Do we see how ridiculous our expectations as fans are at this point in the season?

This team needs time and support and based on the posts I've seen, they nor Luis Enrique have gotten neither, except when we win or when we score and that's not at all fair to this man and this team nor is it fair to the club on a whole.

When he arrived in Rome back in June, he stressed to all Roma fans that it would take time for this project to blossom into what we all want it to be. This takes time, it take hard work and it takes dedication and understand from the fans. The team is not getting that the moment and it's hindering our progress rather than helping it.

It will take years for us to see the Roma we all want to see and that will be true whether it's Luis Enrique at the helm or someone else. Some of you have have got to show more patience. If you want instant results and smashing wins against everyone, support Barca or Madrid or even Man City at this point. As for me, I'm perfectly content to wait for this club to get back to where it once was. Patience has always been a virtue for me and good things definitely come to those who wait.

Its good that you brought this up. Yes, i am impatient(actually pissed) because my team team is underachieving, they lost the derby, the coach plays benchwarmers and rejects over quality players and his fav playing an attacking mid at rb.

See i get it, the team is new and it needs time. I am not saying that we should be top of the table with the money we spent but somewhere near 5th or 6th should be fine. But losing to slovan boomboom in the europa qualifiers and then losing the derby is unacceptable.

I think the problem is not with the team but its the manager who prefers spanish players or player who have played in spain over others. To put it in easier terms LADY GAGO over Simplicio is rubbish, also Heinze over Juan, Borriello should also be given a run and also may be Nego.

So there you have it i am calling for Luis enrique to be ZAMPAed.

I am tired of reading crap about supporting some other team.. hell, if you like the thrill of relegation go support Siena.

p.s.-- the team isint the problem the manager is.

sukrut23 wrote:Its good that you brought this up. Yes, i am impatient(actually pissed) because my team team is underachieving, they lost the derby, the coach plays benchwarmers and rejects over quality players and his fav playing an attacking mid at rb.

See i get it, the team is new and it needs time. I am not saying that we should be top of the table with the money we spent but somewhere near 5th or 6th should be fine. But losing to slovan boomboom in the europa qualifiers and then losing the derby is unacceptable.

I think the problem is not with the team but its the manager who prefers spanish players or player who have played in spain over others. To put it in easier terms LADY GAGO over Simplicio is rubbish, also Heinze over Juan, Borriello should also be given a run and also may be Nego.

So there you have it i am calling for Luis enrique to be ZAMPAed.

I am tired of reading crap about supporting some other team.. hell, if you like the thrill of relegation go support Siena.

p.s.-- the team isint the problem the manager is.

Something I've been saying for a long time now... I completely agree and feel the same way.

sukrut23 wrote:Its good that you brought this up. Yes, i am impatient(actually pissed) because my team team is underachieving, they lost the derby, the coach plays benchwarmers and rejects over quality players and his fav playing an attacking mid at rb.

See i get it, the team is new and it needs time. I am not saying that we should be top of the table with the money we spent but somewhere near 5th or 6th should be fine. But losing to slovan boomboom in the europa qualifiers and then losing the derby is unacceptable.

I think the problem is not with the team but its the manager who prefers spanish players or player who have played in spain over others. To put it in easier terms LADY GAGO over Simplicio is rubbish, also Heinze over Juan, Borriello should also be given a run and also may be Nego.

So there you have it i am calling for Luis enrique to be ZAMPAed.

I am tired of reading crap about supporting some other team.. hell, if you like the thrill of relegation go support Siena.

p.s.-- the team isint the problem the manager is.

We've have been underachieving for a decade. What rock did you crawl out from under?

Besides a few 2nd place finishes, this club has been nowhere near the heights it scaled when we last won the scudetto and if you believe otherwise, then I have no idea what Roma you are referring to.

The EL was never our aim this season. It just wasn't. And it was one of LE's first official games in charge of the team! The team had absolutely no chemistry and we were trying to use a completely new system. You act as if we should've smashed them 5-0. That was never going to happen. I swear I'm sounding more and more like a broken record when I keep trying to explain this.

As for the derby, it was quite simple. Lazio took their chances and we didn't. The team that take their chances, deserve to win. It wasn't the first time we failed to take our chances in a big match like that and it sure as hell won't be the last so I hope you're ready for more. If it was so unacceptable, why didn't I hear any jeers from our supporters during the match?

That's absolute bullshit. Would you be saying this if we had gotten Pep Guardiola and he brought over a bunch of Spanish speakers and we were actually in better form? Absolutely not. That's a poor excuse. However, I do believe that Simplicio should be getting more time. Should he play over Gago? Perhaps. As for Heinze over Juan, another bullshit excuse. Have you seen Juan's injury record lately? Did you see him against Milan? He was slow and clearly unfit. Luis Enrique literally has no choice, but to play Heinze instead. But since you're clearly a better tactician than Enrique and can just conjure up imaginary CBs, who would you play at CB instead of Heinze? As for Boriello, we already have a prima punta and that's Osvaldo, who has been in good form. There's no way he gets dropped. And finally we come to young Loic Nego, who is currently with the PRIMAVERA. The kid's only 20. He's not ready yet. If Luis Enrique thought he was ready then we would've seen him get minutes by now, don't you think?

So in conclusion, you have no clear cut reasons for wanting Luis Enrique out since the ones you did present were all ridiculousl. You don't like the man, simple as that. For what reason, I have no idea. I personally find it hard to hate anyone I don't personally know.

Regardless of the coach, the same old problems have condemned us to where we are now: poor defending, mental lapses, and a lack of sharpness in front of goal combined with wasteful finishing. None of those are new problems and for some odd reason you and CSS seem intent to blame Luis Enrique solely for that. What utter idiocy.

Neal

ErPupone wrote:Neal

Mike

Never forget that, it still remains.

HAHAHAHA Neal

Tell to em kids :bball:

im back! sorry havent posted in a while

was upgrading my laptop to win7 but couldnt find the proper drivers. was without a laptop for the past 4 or so days =[. i tried keeping up with my android, but my eyes hurt haha

i have a lot of catching up to do. i still haven't watched the milan game yet and i'm way behind in football news. a lot can happen in 4 days

Welcome back

Great post McLewis, I thoroughly agree with everything you've stated, even if I don't agree entirely with the direction we have took under Di Benedetto.

There is no time limit for Enrique...The fan's know that...This is a whole different era for Roma...

If I did have any sort of impatience, it stems from the fact that our club legend, is getting older by the day, and I fear he won't be featuring for the club once we truly hit our potential in I believe 5 years time or so. I'd really like to see Totti win one more Scudetto as a player and the CL...

But alas...

schnix wrote:im back! sorry havent posted in a while

was upgrading my laptop to win7 but couldnt find the proper drivers. was without a laptop for the past 4 or so days =[. i tried keeping up with my android, but my eyes hurt haha

i have a lot of catching up to do. i still haven't watched the milan game yet and i'm way behind in football news. a lot can happen in 4 days

Yes well, a quick rehash. (ps. Good to see you back!)

-We lost our last two encounters (giving up free headers 6 feet from goal, wtf?)....
-Fantantonio suffered supposedly a stroke after Saturdays game in Roma.
-Cesena's coach was finally axed.
-Enrique shook Tassotti's hand.
-Totti to be back for the Novara game.
-Mangia is still coaching Palermo.
-Luca Toni got his license suspended after being .01 over the legal Drinking limit, he is rumored to depart Juve this winter...(Return to Roma perhaps? I heard Pizzaro likes to carpool)
-Enrique is playing Borriello at DMF in training, and hes looking to get the start on the weekend...

narbeZ wrote:Enrique is playing Borriello at DMF in training, and hes looking to get the start on the weekend...

defintitely plausible

thanks for the updates

narbeZ wrote:

schnix wrote:im back! sorry havent posted in a while

was upgrading my laptop to win7 but couldnt find the proper drivers. was without a laptop for the past 4 or so days =[. i tried keeping up with my android, but my eyes hurt haha

i have a lot of catching up to do. i still haven't watched the milan game yet and i'm way behind in football news. a lot can happen in 4 days

Yes well, a quick rehash. (ps. Good to see you back!)

-We lost our last two encounters (giving up free headers 6 feet from goal, wtf?)....
-Fantantonio suffered supposedly a stroke after Saturdays game in Roma.
-Cesena's coach was finally axed.
-Enrique shook Tassotti's hand.
-Totti to be back for the Novara game.
-Mangia is still coaching Palermo.
-Luca Toni got his license suspended after being .01 over the legal Drinking limit, he is rumored to depart Juve this winter...(Return to Roma perhaps? I heard Pizzaro likes to carpool)
-Enrique is playing Borriello at DMF in training, and hes looking to get the start on the weekend...

Definitely the most shocking piece of news on that list.

LEs biggest fault is too much rotation in attack. Attacking partnerships cant even develop if he changes starters all the time..

McLewis wrote:

sukrut23 wrote:Its good that you brought this up. Yes, i am impatient(actually pissed) because my team team is underachieving, they lost the derby, the coach plays benchwarmers and rejects over quality players and his fav playing an attacking mid at rb.

See i get it, the team is new and it needs time. I am not saying that we should be top of the table with the money we spent but somewhere near 5th or 6th should be fine. But losing to slovan boomboom in the europa qualifiers and then losing the derby is unacceptable.

I think the problem is not with the team but its the manager who prefers spanish players or player who have played in spain over others. To put it in easier terms LADY GAGO over Simplicio is rubbish, also Heinze over Juan, Borriello should also be given a run and also may be Nego.

So there you have it i am calling for Luis enrique to be ZAMPAed.

I am tired of reading crap about supporting some other team.. hell, if you like the thrill of relegation go support Siena.

p.s.-- the team isint the problem the manager is.

We've have been underachieving for a decade. What rock did you crawl out from under?

Besides a few 2nd place finishes, this club has been nowhere near the heights it scaled when we last won the scudetto and if you believe otherwise, then I have no idea what Roma you are referring to.

The EL was never our aim this season. It just wasn't. And it was one of LE's first official games in charge of the team! The team had absolutely no chemistry and we were trying to use a completely new system. You act as if we should've smashed them 5-0. That was never going to happen. I swear I'm sounding more and more like a broken record when I keep trying to explain this.

As for the derby, it was quite simple. Lazio took their chances and we didn't. The team that take their chances, deserve to win. It wasn't the first time we failed to take our chances in a big match like that and it sure as hell won't be the last so I hope you're ready for more. If it was so unacceptable, why didn't I hear any jeers from our supporters during the match?

That's absolute bullshit. Would you be saying this if we had gotten Pep Guardiola and he brought over a bunch of Spanish speakers and we were actually in better form? Absolutely not. That's a poor excuse. However, I do believe that Simplicio should be getting more time. Should he play over Gago? Perhaps. As for Heinze over Juan, another bullshit excuse. Have you seen Juan's injury record lately? Did you see him against Milan? He was slow and clearly unfit. Luis Enrique literally has no choice, but to play Heinze instead. But since you're clearly a better tactician than Enrique and can just conjure up imaginary CBs, who would you play at CB instead of Heinze? As for Boriello, we already have a prima punta and that's Osvaldo, who has been in good form. There's no way he gets dropped. And finally we come to young Loic Nego, who is currently with the PRIMAVERA. The kid's only 20. He's not ready yet. If Luis Enrique thought he was ready then we would've seen him get minutes by now, don't you think?

So in conclusion, you have no clear cut reasons for wanting Luis Enrique out since the ones you did present were all ridiculousl. You don't like the man, simple as that. For what reason, I have no idea. I personally find it hard to hate anyone I don't personally know.

Regardless of the coach, the same old problems have condemned us to where we are now: poor defending, mental lapses, and a lack of sharpness in front of goal combined with wasteful finishing. None of those are new problems and for some odd reason you and CSS seem intent to blame Luis Enrique solely for that. What utter idiocy.

Heinze was a left back all his life and not very good at that either, Enrique picks him up for free and makes him a cb. Sir Alex would kill himself before playing Heinze at cb.

When was the last time LADY GAGO played for madrid? Enrique picks him up when he is forced out and you have it.. another undeserving regular.

I blame enrique cos he is the manager,he calls the shots. If you were in his place i would blame you.

See mate, i am having my thoughts out and they are my views. Why dont you just let that be it, i do not get the whole wait for 5 yrs crap. If you do then thats great!

You can get Luis Enrique flowers and blow him kisses but i would rather see him get sacked.

p.s.-- ARE YOU LUIS ENRIQUE IN DISGUISE 0_o

sukrut23 wrote:

McLewis wrote:

sukrut23 wrote:Its good that you brought this up. Yes, i am impatient(actually pissed) because my team team is underachieving, they lost the derby, the coach plays benchwarmers and rejects over quality players and his fav playing an attacking mid at rb.

See i get it, the team is new and it needs time. I am not saying that we should be top of the table with the money we spent but somewhere near 5th or 6th should be fine. But losing to slovan boomboom in the europa qualifiers and then losing the derby is unacceptable.

I think the problem is not with the team but its the manager who prefers spanish players or player who have played in spain over others. To put it in easier terms LADY GAGO over Simplicio is rubbish, also Heinze over Juan, Borriello should also be given a run and also may be Nego.

So there you have it i am calling for Luis enrique to be ZAMPAed.

I am tired of reading crap about supporting some other team.. hell, if you like the thrill of relegation go support Siena.

p.s.-- the team isint the problem the manager is.

We've have been underachieving for a decade. What rock did you crawl out from under?

Besides a few 2nd place finishes, this club has been nowhere near the heights it scaled when we last won the scudetto and if you believe otherwise, then I have no idea what Roma you are referring to.

The EL was never our aim this season. It just wasn't. And it was one of LE's first official games in charge of the team! The team had absolutely no chemistry and we were trying to use a completely new system. You act as if we should've smashed them 5-0. That was never going to happen. I swear I'm sounding more and more like a broken record when I keep trying to explain this.

As for the derby, it was quite simple. Lazio took their chances and we didn't. The team that take their chances, deserve to win. It wasn't the first time we failed to take our chances in a big match like that and it sure as hell won't be the last so I hope you're ready for more. If it was so unacceptable, why didn't I hear any jeers from our supporters during the match?

That's absolute bullshit. Would you be saying this if we had gotten Pep Guardiola and he brought over a bunch of Spanish speakers and we were actually in better form? Absolutely not. That's a poor excuse. However, I do believe that Simplicio should be getting more time. Should he play over Gago? Perhaps. As for Heinze over Juan, another bullshit excuse. Have you seen Juan's injury record lately? Did you see him against Milan? He was slow and clearly unfit. Luis Enrique literally has no choice, but to play Heinze instead. But since you're clearly a better tactician than Enrique and can just conjure up imaginary CBs, who would you play at CB instead of Heinze? As for Boriello, we already have a prima punta and that's Osvaldo, who has been in good form. There's no way he gets dropped. And finally we come to young Loic Nego, who is currently with the PRIMAVERA. The kid's only 20. He's not ready yet. If Luis Enrique thought he was ready then we would've seen him get minutes by now, don't you think?

So in conclusion, you have no clear cut reasons for wanting Luis Enrique out since the ones you did present were all ridiculousl. You don't like the man, simple as that. For what reason, I have no idea. I personally find it hard to hate anyone I don't personally know.

Regardless of the coach, the same old problems have condemned us to where we are now: poor defending, mental lapses, and a lack of sharpness in front of goal combined with wasteful finishing. None of those are new problems and for some odd reason you and CSS seem intent to blame Luis Enrique solely for that. What utter idiocy.

Heinze was a left back all his life and not very good at that either, Enrique picks him up for free and makes him a cb. Sir Alex would kill himself before playing Heinze at cb.

When was the last time LADY GAGO played for madrid? Enrique picks him up when he is forced out and you have it.. another undeserving regular.

I blame enrique cos he is the manager,he calls the shots. If you were in his place i would blame you.

See mate, i am having my thoughts out and they are my views. Why dont you just let that be it, i do not get the whole wait for 5 yrs crap. If you do then thats great!

You can get Luis Enrique flowers and blow him kisses but i would rather see him get sacked.

p.s.-- ARE YOU LUIS ENRIQUE IN DISGUISE 0_o

Heinze played a lot of CB at Marseille and was actually their best defender in the season leading up to their winning the title. He's also played there for Argentina. Is it his natural position? No. That would be LB, but he does have the required skillset to play in the centre, hence why Luis Enrique has played him there, with albeit mixed results.

Gago had the likes of Guti, Alonso, Kaka, and Ozil ahead of him. Was he a better player than any of those four? No. His injury problems also didn't help. He's at a club where he can get more time and demonstrate that he can be a useful player. He's not done too badly so far and I look forward to seeing more of him providing he remains uninjured.

Luis Enrique himself has said that he will take the blame for our failures and that the fans should blame him. I accept that and I expect that from a coach. This has gone far beyond blaming him however. It's a smear campaign, a crucifixion . There's a difference. He could be doing everything right and there would still be people like you calling criticizing him for petty bullshit. If you don't like the guy, nut up and say it instead of whining every time he makes a decision YOU don't like.

It is your view Sukrut and as long as you back it up, it's alright. In which you did, and in which I did, in to more of an extent. I completely agree with everything with what you said, I went with days on debating with Mike and Mclewis about this issue. Sure, a bit tense but nothing serious...

You know Neal, the last paragraph you just said reminds me of Marcello Lippi. 'take blame of failures and fans'. You see Neal, for the last two years... we as Azzurri fans, 'whined' as you claimed and yet in the end we as fans... were right about it. Now don't get me wrong, but you saying for us to to instead of whining to 'nut' up, is actually what were doing. You see it's not whining, it's critizsm.

Camurrìa.Sto.Stronzo wrote:It is your view Sukrut and as long as you back it up, it's alright. In which you did, and in which I did, in to more of an extent. I completely agree with everything with what you said, I went with days on debating with Mike and Mclewis about this issue. Sure, a bit tense but nothing serious...

You know Neal, the last paragraph you just said reminds me of Marcello Lippi. 'take blame of failures and fans'. You see Neal, for the last two years... we as Azzurri fans, 'whined' as you claimed and yet in the end we as fans... were right about it. Now don't get me wrong, but you saying for us to to instead of whining to 'nut' up, is actually what were doing. You see it's not whining, it's critizsm.

Criticism of what exactly? All I've seen you say is that Luis Enrique's style of football doesn't belong in Italy and will never adapt. Neither you nor Sukrut have gone into specifics other than to lambast his choice of players. What about his tactics unsettle you so much that you have to constantly harp on his every mistake? I fully recognize that you both have your opinions and I respect them, but neither of you have offered any concrete criticism.

Your flavor of criticism has been very vague and I hate that.

narbeZ wrote:

schnix wrote:im back! sorry havent posted in a while

was upgrading my laptop to win7 but couldnt find the proper drivers. was without a laptop for the past 4 or so days =[. i tried keeping up with my android, but my eyes hurt haha

i have a lot of catching up to do. i still haven't watched the milan game yet and i'm way behind in football news. a lot can happen in 4 days

Yes well, a quick rehash. (ps. Good to see you back!)

-We lost our last two encounters (giving up free headers 6 feet from goal, wtf?)....
-Fantantonio suffered supposedly a stroke after Saturdays game in Roma.
-Cesena's coach was finally axed.
-Enrique shook Tassotti's hand.
-Totti to be back for the Novara game.
-Mangia is still coaching Palermo.
-Luca Toni got his license suspended after being .01 over the legal Drinking limit, he is rumored to depart Juve this winter...(Return to Roma perhaps? I heard Pizzaro likes to carpool)
-Enrique is playing Borriello at DMF in training, and hes looking to get the start on the weekend...

Not sure if serious ?

The Fonz wrote:

narbeZ wrote:

schnix wrote:im back! sorry havent posted in a while

was upgrading my laptop to win7 but couldnt find the proper drivers. was without a laptop for the past 4 or so days =[. i tried keeping up with my android, but my eyes hurt haha

i have a lot of catching up to do. i still haven't watched the milan game yet and i'm way behind in football news. a lot can happen in 4 days

Yes well, a quick rehash. (ps. Good to see you back!)

-We lost our last two encounters (giving up free headers 6 feet from goal, wtf?)....
-Fantantonio suffered supposedly a stroke after Saturdays game in Roma.
-Cesena's coach was finally axed.
-Enrique shook Tassotti's hand.
-Totti to be back for the Novara game.
-Mangia is still coaching Palermo.
-Luca Toni got his license suspended after being .01 over the legal Drinking limit, he is rumored to depart Juve this winter...(Return to Roma perhaps? I heard Pizzaro likes to carpool)
-Enrique is playing Borriello at DMF in training, and hes looking to get the start on the weekend...

Not sure if serious ?

LOL, we should just about assign a color for sarcasm around here;), green would probably be appropriate.

Really though Sukrut and Stronzo, you just need to be more patient and give the man more time... Hes managed less then 10 league matches...

Hes bringing a whole new philosophy to Roma and Italy...

I know you guys are mad that we haven't had an instant impact on Serie a or seen any important trophy's and such the past number of years, but think of it this way...Some people are fans of a team all their life, and never see a championship.

It just makes it that much better when we do win something...I'm willing to wait.

Heinze at cb has brought us mixed results, eh? shit results to fair.. if heinze was such a good player then why did Marseille not keep him?

LADY GAGO may be a good player to have if he sits on the bench but to play him in the starting 11 its more like charity and helping the poor by giving him some play time. It should be like Poulsen's case at Juventus but the only difference is that at Roma Gago plays.

I would 'Nut' up but enrique has to prove he is good enough for this job and not a misfit.

sukrut23 wrote:Heinze at cb has brought us mixed results, eh? shit results to fair.. if heinze was such a good player then why did Marseille not keep him?

LADY GAGO may be a good player to have if he sits on the bench but to play him in the starting 11 its more like charity and helping the poor by giving him some play time. It should be like Poulsen's case at Juventus but the only difference is that at Roma Gago plays.

I would 'Nut' up but enrique has to prove he is good enough for this job and not a misfit.

LOL you make me laugh. For real. You clearly have no idea about any of Gagos career do you? Go watch the entire 2008 Real Madrid tittle campaign. Gago was a crucial part of it and was always played, 42 appearances in total.(LAST TIME MADRID ACTUALLY WON LA LIGA). I know you want actually do that, so I probably waisted my time typing that. At least watch his '08 highlights on youtube. GAGO can be a very good player, making decisive tackles and down field through balls. If hes given time to play and remains fit the real Gago WILL come out. You say we get Madrids left overs? BIG DEAL! Real Madrid is the most successfull clubs in the history of europe. Madrids left overs are most teams starters.

sukrut23 wrote:Heinze at cb has brought us mixed results, eh? shit results to fair.. if heinze was such a good player then why did Marseille not keep him?

LADY GAGO may be a good player to have if he sits on the bench but to play him in the starting 11 its more like charity and helping the poor by giving him some play time. It should be like Poulsen's case at Juventus but the only difference is that at Roma Gago plays.

I would 'Nut' up but enrique has to prove he is good enough for this job and not a misfit.

Um, to be fair, mixed results is the right term. He's actually not been that bad, but if you only watch highlights like the ones against Genoa since you shut of your TV when things don't go your way, then I see why you think of him that way. And if Mexes was such a good player, why didn't we keep him? If Vucinic was such a good player, why didn't we keep him? Same goes for Aquilani, Menez, Riise, etc, not a good argument is it?

And your little "nicknames" for our players are extremely disrespectful and, in Gago's case, unmerited. Charity and helping the poor? Please, man. Gago has been decent and has proved in the past that he could play at the highest level, as long as he stays fully fit.

And you want Enrique to prove that he's good enough, yet you have given him absolutely no time to do it...

Camurrìa.Sto.Stronzo wrote:It is your view Sukrut and as long as you back it up, it's alright. In which you did, and in which I did, in to more of an extent. I completely agree with everything with what you said, I went with days on debating with Mike and Mclewis about this issue. Sure, a bit tense but nothing serious...

You know Neal, the last paragraph you just said reminds me of Marcello Lippi. 'take blame of failures and fans'. You see Neal, for the last two years... we as Azzurri fans, 'whined' as you claimed and yet in the end we as fans... were right about it. Now don't get me wrong, but you saying for us to to instead of whining to 'nut' up, is actually what were doing. You see it's not whining, it's critizsm.

Just a discussion, no big deal. You know that I respect your opinions and I know you respect mine. I'm not one who gets pissed off just because someone doesn't agree with me, as long as they properly back up their points rationally. I just think that your criticism of Enrique is premature because he needs a lot more time than what has been given to him, which brings me to post this article which raises a good point. I wanted to bring up this point earlier with regards to Spalletti, but it's actually a lot more than just that:

"The defeat against Milan, arriving a few days after the one against Genoa, has sparked controversy around Luis Enrique. Revolutionary or unfit? The critics were divided, the fans are split between those who still believe in the Spaniard and those who are ready to question his future. Revolution is the key word, because this has been discussed several times referring to the Asturian. A revolution in the game, in the philosophy of football, in the management of his players. One wonders then if the negative results which have arrived so far are the result of an adaptation that takes time to be metabolized, or is the result of the coach's confusion, who on Saturday will line up his twelfth formation in as many games. Though, before him, coaches who have made giallorossi history have not done better in the first season. The "magician" Herrera in 1968 and "Il Barone" Liedholm in '73-74 both obtained 11 points in their first nine games, of course in the Herrera case counting the victories with 3 points, and not 2 as it was at that time. Eriksson did not do better, as he gained 10 points in the first 9 rounds of the '84-'85 season. Luciano Spalletti, a coach who the Roma players have often compared to Luis Enrique, in his first season scored one point more than the Asturian. Only Zeman went better, with 16 points in the '97-'98 season (18 teams) with 4 wins, 4 draws and 1 defeat. In short, Luis Enrique is in good company."