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Re: Evra Accuses Suarez of Making Racist Comments?
cyberman wrote:im sure the sarky arsenal fans favour was exactly the audience evra hoped to get on his side..
evra appreciates your backing..
Regardless of which team I support, I don't think I could every like Patrice Evra as a person, even if I was a hardcore UTD fan like yourself.
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Re: Evra Accuses Suarez of Making Racist Comments?
Does anyone actually believe this?
Aside from splaying fallacious controversy in the EPL with his previous BS accusations, Evra also happened to be part of the largest trouble-makers in France's team to the world cup.
Evra: " Poor me, the world against me, why me? why not me? why not andre pierre gignac or that schlub O shea?"
Aside from splaying fallacious controversy in the EPL with his previous BS accusations, Evra also happened to be part of the largest trouble-makers in France's team to the world cup.
Evra: " Poor me, the world against me, why me? why not me? why not andre pierre gignac or that schlub O shea?"
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Be/\/ceCALI wrote:cyberman wrote:
whys it ironic?
telling the truth and getting racially abused are miles apart
haha, yeah maybe you think he was telling the truth, but as a professional athlete, you don't say something like that about any team unless you're shameless and have 0 class. What if after Barca 5-0 Real, Messi said "RM is shittier than us, and won't win the league as long as we're around"- that claim could possibly be the truth, but it doesn't mean you have to be totally classless and say that to the public.
It's ironic because you can't make that claim about a whole team, especially when things aren't going well for them, then cry to the media when someone supposedly calls you a "NigNog" .. I mean, really? You see nothing pathetic about what Evra did? Very childish behavior.
I seriously doubt he was really that offended by what Suarez said, but rather he just wants to stir shit up and get him in trouble.
It's like the kid who beats you 1on1 in basketball then rubs it in your face all day, but goes crying to the principal when someone insults him. It's easy to act like such a big shot when you're in the winning team. All I am saying is this: If you can dish it out time and time again, you better be able to take it as well. Plain and Simple.
I really like your posting ans style, you look like a solid poster.
Welcome aboard.
You will learn to ignore/love Cyber in due time. He has super bias for the EPL and ManU.
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Re: Evra Accuses Suarez of Making Racist Comments?
hold on a minute.
calling a spade a spade after soundly beating arsenal is in no way related to suffering racist abuse
i cant believe i just read that
calling a spade a spade after soundly beating arsenal is in no way related to suffering racist abuse
i cant believe i just read that
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Lord Spencer wrote:I really like your posting ans style, you look like a solid poster.
Welcome aboard.
You will learn to ignore/love Cyber in due time. He has super bias for the EPL and ManU.
Thanks, it's good to be here.
cyberman wrote:hold on a minute.
calling a spade a spade after soundly beating arsenal is in no way related to suffering racist abuse
i cant believe i just read that
Nevermind, dude.. You're missing my point. Evra should never talk sh1t again if he's going to be such a crybaby about this, but you know he won't stop.
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Re: Evra Accuses Suarez of Making Racist Comments?
Gotta say Manchester United have got an amazing ability to produce total douche-bag full-backs.
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Re: Evra Accuses Suarez of Making Racist Comments?
Suarez - hey Evra, Nice tackle mate!
Evra - You Mother fraking Racist c*nt >
Evra - You Mother fraking Racist c*nt >
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Re: Evra Accuses Suarez of Making Racist Comments?
So, did Suarez say racist comments? Is there any evidence?
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Arquitecto wrote:Does anyone actually believe this?
Aside from splaying fallacious controversy in the EPL with his previous BS accusations, Evra also happened to be part of the largest trouble-makers in France's team to the world cup.
Evra: " Poor me, the world against me, why me? why not me? why not andre pierre gignac or that schlub O shea?"
Which previous BS accusations ?
In 2006, racial abuse by Steve Finnan ? The accusation has been levelled by a fan, Evra even declined to complain so no race card here.
Against Chelsea and its groundman ? As the FA report says: “The two witnesses who say they heard those words directed by Mr Bethell at Mr Evra are the Manchester United first team coach Mr Mike Phelan and the goalkeeping coach Mr Richard Hartis. (...) Even if we disregard the fact that Mr Evra has never claimed to have heard such a remark on that day, it is notable that there were several other people far nearer to Mr Bethell at the critical point in time than were either Mr Phelan or Mr Hartis.”
Is there another one I may have missed ?
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Re: Evra Accuses Suarez of Making Racist Comments?
Nothing has been produced as of yet. It is currently Evra's word against Suarez's.free_cat wrote:So, did Suarez say racist comments? Is there any evidence?
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azzurres wrote:Arquitecto wrote:Does anyone actually believe this?
Aside from splaying fallacious controversy in the EPL with his previous BS accusations, Evra also happened to be part of the largest trouble-makers in France's team to the world cup.
Evra: " Poor me, the world against me, why me? why not me? why not andre pierre gignac or that schlub O shea?"
Which previous BS accusations ?
In 2006, racial abuse by Steve Finnan ? The accusation has been levelled by a fan, Evra even declined to complain so no race card here.
Against Chelsea and its groundman ? As the FA report says: “The two witnesses who say they heard those words directed by Mr Bethell at Mr Evra are the Manchester United first team coach Mr Mike Phelan and the goalkeeping coach Mr Richard Hartis. (...) Even if we disregard the fact that Mr Evra has never claimed to have heard such a remark on that day, it is notable that there were several other people far nearer to Mr Bethell at the critical point in time than were either Mr Phelan or Mr Hartis.”
Is there another one I may have missed ?
Well you may just be right as the nefarious english media obviously game me a completely different idea. And yes, I should have looked more into it as although through the usual front page guff, I believed otherwise.
Well then there is the France debacle.
Anything? I highly doubt it as I would've named it.
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TTT for justice.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/nov/13/luis-suarez-patrice-evra
Patrice Evra has been informed that he may have difficulty proving he was the victim of racial abuse from Luis Suárez, because of a counter-argument that certain variations of the N-word are not deemed offensive where the Liverpool player grew up, in Uruguay.
"Negrito", for example, could have shocking connotations for someone without full knowledge of the nuances of the language. But the counter-argument is that this is one of several derivations that are used in many countries, with no derogatory meaning – often in the same way someone could be called "pal" or "mate".
An illustration of this comes in the form of the message Dani Pacheco, the Liverpool player who is currently on loan at Rayo Vallecano, sent to his Spain Under-21 team-mate Thiago Alcântara via Twitter on Friday. It begins: "Negrito, enjoy yourself …"
This was a conversation between two friends. In Uruguay, it is quite common for commentators to use the same word to describe Premier League players.
The latest revelations throw up the possibility that both players have given a legitimate account of what happened, rather than it being a case of one man's word against another.
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Re: Evra Accuses Suarez of Making Racist Comments?
i really don't think that's tangible... if suarez really did say something for some reason i don't think he intended it to be "mate"
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che wrote:i really don't think that's tangible... if suarez really did say something for some reason i don't think he intended it to be "mate"
Same here. Not saying he did abuse Evra but I don't buy the "mate" thing.
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Re: Evra Accuses Suarez of Making Racist Comments?
I already mentioned that in this thread: people here in Latin America use those type of words as nick names, and no one bats an eye.
Hell, it can even be used as an affectionate name in a relationship, the equivalent of "sweetheart" or "honey".
'Course, Evra would never know this and Suarez probably not give a shit he's not in Uruguay anymore.
Hell, it can even be used as an affectionate name in a relationship, the equivalent of "sweetheart" or "honey".
'Course, Evra would never know this and Suarez probably not give a shit he's not in Uruguay anymore.
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I'm getting that part but Suarez and Evra weren't having coffee at Starbucks. It was in the middle of an intense game.
Again I'm not siding with Evra it's just that I don't think this necessarily proves Suarez's innocence.
Again I'm not siding with Evra it's just that I don't think this necessarily proves Suarez's innocence.
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I think it's just one of those "lost in translation" situations.
I'm sure Evra swears in French all the time and the players themselves are usually taking jabs at each other, but that's just part of 22 sweaty men looking to win.
The point is Suarez never meant it as a racist insult. It's all highly exaggerated by Evra, IMO.
I'm sure Evra swears in French all the time and the players themselves are usually taking jabs at each other, but that's just part of 22 sweaty men looking to win.
The point is Suarez never meant it as a racist insult. It's all highly exaggerated by Evra, IMO.
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che wrote:i really don't think that's tangible... if suarez really did say something for some reason i don't think he intended it to be "mate"
Why not?
I could very easily imagine Suarez saying something like "hey mate, what's wrong with you? I'm nutmegging you all the time".
I'm sure Suarez wasn't complimenting Evra, but it doesn't appear to me he was trying to be racist at all.
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Re: Evra Accuses Suarez of Making Racist Comments?
so weve gone from evra is a liar, wheres the proof?
to i said it, but its a cultural misunderstanding
The two players were arguing at the time and it is beyond argument that Suárez was trying to wind up his opponent, but the crux of the matter is the meaning of whatever was said and differentiating between something that would not be offensive in one country but shocking in another.
he was trying tto wund him up but didnt mean to use it in a derogatory way?
i guess after the 5th out of 10 times he used it, he thought evras shock and fury was ironic?
to i said it, but its a cultural misunderstanding
The two players were arguing at the time and it is beyond argument that Suárez was trying to wind up his opponent, but the crux of the matter is the meaning of whatever was said and differentiating between something that would not be offensive in one country but shocking in another.
he was trying tto wund him up but didnt mean to use it in a derogatory way?
i guess after the 5th out of 10 times he used it, he thought evras shock and fury was ironic?
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Re: Evra Accuses Suarez of Making Racist Comments?
Where's the proof Suarez was trying to wind him up? The equivalent in Spanish would be "bug off, buddy".
Nevermind there are plenty of colored people in Uruguay and his NT, apart from Johnson being black himself. It makes no sence he used it in a racist content.
I wonder why Hernandez who knows Spanish hasn't said anything.
Nevermind there are plenty of colored people in Uruguay and his NT, apart from Johnson being black himself. It makes no sence he used it in a racist content.
I wonder why Hernandez who knows Spanish hasn't said anything.
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cyberman wrote:so weve gone from evra is a liar, wheres the proof?
to i said it, but its a cultural misunderstanding
The two players were arguing at the time and it is beyond argument that Suárez was trying to wind up his opponent, but the crux of the matter is the meaning of whatever was said and differentiating between something that would not be offensive in one country but shocking in another.
he was trying tto wund him up but didnt mean to use it in a derogatory way?
i guess after the 5th out of 10 times he used it, he thought evras shock and fury was ironic?
If you went to play a game of football in Uruguay and said to your opponent "hey, mate, you're not very good at this, are you?" would you like to be accused of racism?
Winding a person up and being racist are not the same.
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Re: Evra Accuses Suarez of Making Racist Comments?
The FA has today charged Liverpool’s Luis Suarez following an incident that occurred during the Liverpool versus Manchester United fixture at Anfield on 15 October 2011.
It is alleged that Suarez used abusive and/or insulting words and/or behaviour towards Manchester United’s Patrice Evra contrary to FA rules.
It is further alleged that this included a reference to the ethnic origin and/or colour and/or race of Patrice Evra.
The FA will issue no further comment at this time.
It is alleged that Suarez used abusive and/or insulting words and/or behaviour towards Manchester United’s Patrice Evra contrary to FA rules.
It is further alleged that this included a reference to the ethnic origin and/or colour and/or race of Patrice Evra.
The FA will issue no further comment at this time.
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I really hope FA shows the evidence otherwise its a BS call.
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He is charged with what?
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that's it then, lifetime ban and a eleventy billion dollar fine
NOONE INSULTS MANCHESTER UNITED UNDER FA'S WATCH!!!
NOONE INSULTS MANCHESTER UNITED UNDER FA'S WATCH!!!
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