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Post by lucianomoggi Thu Oct 06, 2011 11:44 am

4-4-2

plan A:::::

------------- VUCINIC -- MATRI ---------------
ELIJAH ------ PIRLO --- MARCHISIO ------- KRASIC
GROSSO ---- CHIELLINI -- BARZAGLI ---- LINSHTAINER

plan B : attacking minded against small teams

ELIJAH ------ VUCINIC -- MATRI ------- KRASIC
------------ PIRLO ---- MARCHISIO ----------
GROSSO -------- BARZAGLI ------- LINSHTAINER
---------------- CHIELLINI --------------------

the side backs only attack if the ball is on their side - BARZAGLI do the covering; CHIELLINI do the marking

4-2-3-1

PLAN A:::

------------ VUCINIC --------------
ELIJAH ------ VIDAL --------- KRASIC
--------- PIRLO --MARCHISIO -----
CHIELLINI ---------------- LINSHTAINER
------- BARZAGLI -- BONNUCI -------

VIDAL and BARAZGLI are they secrets; BARZAGLI play dmf role by covering PIRLO and MARCHISIO, VIDAL make pressure on opponents GATUSSO style

PLAN B ( attacking minded )

ELIJAH ------- VUCINIC -------- KRASIC
----- PIRLO ----------- MARCHISIO -----
-------------- VIDAL ----------------
CHIELLINI --- BONNUCI ----- LINSHTAINER
------------ BARZAGLI ----------------

VIDAL covers the midfield

BARZAGLI covers the back line


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these are my analysis maybe I am wrong; if someone understand something else please post I be happy to read




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Post by lucianomoggi Thu Oct 06, 2011 12:01 pm

what is special about CONTE formation is that;

1. he is not using a side back attacking minded
2. he is not using a dmf player like SISSOKO, FELIPE MELO
3. he is using BARZAGLI to do the DMF role
4. he is allowing PIRLO + MARCHISIO play more attacking minded almost AMF role by covering them
5. over using an attacking side back like DANI ALVES: he is using two natural wingers

but the point is that he fills all gaps same like BARCELONA do:

exemple when BARCELONA attack they switch to 3-1-4-2

--------- VILLA -- PEDRO ----------
INIESTA - XAVI - MESSI -- ALVES
- ----------- BUSQUETS -----------
ABIDAL ---- PIQUE ----- POYOL

and Conte is filling the space like this::

---------- VUCINIC -- MATRI ----------
ELIJAH - PIRLO - MARCHISIO -- KRASIC
----------------- BARZAGLI --------------
GROSSO ----- CHIELLINI ------- LINSHTAINER



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Post by DeviAngel Thu Oct 06, 2011 12:18 pm

You are wrong conte uses Barzagli as Sweeper
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Post by Camurrìa.Sto.Stronzo Thu Oct 06, 2011 12:19 pm

You are completely wrong.

Where is the 4-1-4-1?
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Post by lucianomoggi Thu Oct 06, 2011 12:40 pm

my bad then

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Post by lucianomoggi Thu Oct 06, 2011 1:43 pm

Camurrìa.Sto.Stronzo wrote:You are completely wrong.

Where is the 4-1-4-1?

you are correct I agree that Juventus make many tactical positioning like; 4-3-1-2, 4-2-4, 4-1-4-1, 4-3-3, 4-2-3-1, 3-4-1-2, 3-2-3-2, 3-1-4-2

all those are variations and strategies: but that doesn't mean I am wrong just because i didn't talk about

i only wanted to share the difference of our formation, with the DEL NERI side;

the difference is how CONTE uses BARZAGLI + WINGERS + HOLDING MIDFIELDERS on 4-4-2; what I commented about above

and on 4-2-3-1 its all same except one less striker and uses VIDAL to make pressure to opponents




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Post by inderbaby Thu Oct 06, 2011 1:44 pm

Barzaghli is defo a sweeper, I remember the great juve sides always played a sweeper system :coffee:

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Post by lucianomoggi Thu Oct 06, 2011 1:45 pm

DeviAngel wrote:You are wrong conte uses Barzagli as Sweeper

yes.. he uses BARZAGLI as sweeper; but he also uses as DMF player to cover;

when opponents attack us on the wing BARZAGLI stay there to cover

when opponents attack us on the center BARZAGLI switch to DMF and run to get the ball and cover

he plays SWEEPER + DMF + CB = same time


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Post by Luca Thu Oct 06, 2011 1:55 pm

Do you guys think Chiellini feels more comfortable as a left back?
After a couple performances where he had some big mistakes (Bologna and Catania) he was flawless against Milan.

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Post by lucianomoggi Thu Oct 06, 2011 2:04 pm

Luca wrote:Do you guys think Chiellini feels more comfortable as a left back?
After a couple performances where he had some big mistakes (Bologna and Catania) he was flawless against Milan.

i believe that there are some tactical issues that are forcing him to play left back better

in my opinion it would be the best if we bring RODOLFO and play

CHIELLINI - RODOLFO - BONNUCI - LINSHTAINER

like this we have a strong line back that guarantee us one decade of success::::




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Post by Luca Thu Oct 06, 2011 2:05 pm

lucianomoggi wrote:
Luca wrote:Do you guys think Chiellini feels more comfortable as a left back?
After a couple performances where he had some big mistakes (Bologna and Catania) he was flawless against Milan.

i believe that there are some tactical issues that are forcing him to play left back better

in my opinion it would be the best if we bring RODOLFO and play

CHIELLINI - RODOLFO - BONNUCI - LINSHTAINER

like this we have a strong line back that guarantee us one decade of success::::





Thats a very strong back line but I wouldn't bench Barzagli this year at least, the man is playing at a very high level

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Post by lucianomoggi Thu Oct 06, 2011 5:06 pm

Luca wrote:
lucianomoggi wrote:
Luca wrote:Do you guys think Chiellini feels more comfortable as a left back?
After a couple performances where he had some big mistakes (Bologna and Catania) he was flawless against Milan.

i believe that there are some tactical issues that are forcing him to play left back better

in my opinion it would be the best if we bring RODOLFO and play

CHIELLINI - RODOLFO - BONNUCI - LINSHTAINER

like this we have a strong line back that guarantee us one decade of success::::





Thats a very strong back line but I wouldn't bench Barzagli this year at least, the man is playing at a very high level

you are right; we are on a right track about trying to win the tittle and we should not experiment

but I also dislike the idea of bringing players on summer and expecting them to adapt so fast

I better say bring RODOLFO on January let him train, let him watch and adapt with the team and play him when the right time comes and he feels less pressure like that




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Post by Luca Thu Oct 06, 2011 5:09 pm

lucianomoggi wrote:
Luca wrote:
lucianomoggi wrote:
Luca wrote:Do you guys think Chiellini feels more comfortable as a left back?
After a couple performances where he had some big mistakes (Bologna and Catania) he was flawless against Milan.

i believe that there are some tactical issues that are forcing him to play left back better

in my opinion it would be the best if we bring RODOLFO and play

CHIELLINI - RODOLFO - BONNUCI - LINSHTAINER

like this we have a strong line back that guarantee us one decade of success::::





Thats a very strong back line but I wouldn't bench Barzagli this year at least, the man is playing at a very high level

you are right; we are on a right track about trying to win the tittle and we should not experiment

but I also dislike the idea of bringing players on summer and expecting them to adapt so fast

I better say bring RODOLFO on January let him train, let him watch and adapt with the team and play him when the right time comes and he feels less pressure like that




Me too, I applaud what Conte did with Vidal.
Instead of sticking him right next to Pirlo, alienating Marchisio in the process he let Marchisio take control and with this confidence he has really came into his own.
Vidal has still gotten plenty of minutes and has made a crucial impact more than once.
Players like Vucinic, Lichtsteiner and Pirlo are exceptions, they know the league and the players, they know the country and the language so it makes for a smoother transition and I have been extremely happy with all of them thus far. Even Vucinic who had somewhat of a rocky start is still sitting on 1 goal, 2 assists and was fantastic against Milan.

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Post by JUVENTUSY Thu Oct 06, 2011 5:59 pm

lol all that matters to me is that win or lose I see juve playing beautiful futbol, passing, moving, possession (something we didn't have even when we were great Shocked ) and yet while we don't have the ball? insane pressing, grinta lol amazing. Mad

Thats really why we won from Milan Vidal and Marchisio busted a dozen lungs so did the rest of the team but those two wow!

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Post by Camurrìa.Sto.Stronzo Thu Oct 06, 2011 9:11 pm

lucianomoggi wrote:
Camurrìa.Sto.Stronzo wrote:You are completely wrong.

Where is the 4-1-4-1?

you are correct I agree that Juventus make many tactical positioning like; 4-3-1-2, 4-2-4, 4-1-4-1, 4-3-3, 4-2-3-1, 3-4-1-2, 3-2-3-2, 3-1-4-2

all those are variations and strategies: but that doesn't mean I am wrong just because i didn't talk about

i only wanted to share the difference of our formation, with the DEL NERI side;

the difference is how CONTE uses BARZAGLI + WINGERS + HOLDING MIDFIELDERS on 4-4-2; what I commented about above

and on 4-2-3-1 its all same except one less striker and uses VIDAL to make pressure to opponents




Juventus never did a 4-3-1-2 and most of the others you mentioned lol
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Post by lucianomoggi Thu Oct 06, 2011 10:56 pm

Camurrìa.Sto.Stronzo wrote:
lucianomoggi wrote:
Camurrìa.Sto.Stronzo wrote:You are completely wrong.

Where is the 4-1-4-1?

you are correct I agree that Juventus make many tactical positioning like; 4-3-1-2, 4-2-4, 4-1-4-1, 4-3-3, 4-2-3-1, 3-4-1-2, 3-2-3-2, 3-1-4-2

all those are variations and strategies: but that doesn't mean I am wrong just because i didn't talk about

i only wanted to share the difference of our formation, with the DEL NERI side;

the difference is how CONTE uses BARZAGLI + WINGERS + HOLDING MIDFIELDERS on 4-4-2; what I commented about above

and on 4-2-3-1 its all same except one less striker and uses VIDAL to make pressure to opponents




Juventus never did a 4-3-1-2 and most of the others you mentioned lol

exactly we never started those kind of formations but those are strategies and variations of 4-4-2 and 4-2-3-1 - that was what I was talking




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Post by juve_gigi Fri Oct 07, 2011 4:05 am

Luca wrote:Do you guys think Chiellini feels more comfortable as a left back?
After a couple performances where he had some big mistakes (Bologna and Catania) he was flawless against Milan.

It's his natural position, so he probably feels some element of a natural feel there. He is a great CB when he wants to be, but he does make alot of mistakes as well. I think at the end of the day CB is our strength right now, and the same with La Nazionale, so it makes sense to just convert Chiellini back to LB so we can have a dominant back line. And I think this would work well with La Nazionale as well as we could have a back line of Chiellini...Barzagli...Ranocchia...Maggio to start at Euro 2012 with Bonucci, Criscito and Cassani as solid backups.
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