Real Madrid v Roma

Actual shots on goal: 4

So what if a player gets one on one with keeper and shoots the ball out? that doesn't count as a chance to score?

Well, I don't think I ever said that but yes, you do. You and Sports have some serious bias that is totally understandable obviously but bias nonetheless.

futbol_bill wrote:I submit that you also have some negative bias when it comes to some players. You guys make it sound as if defense was awful in large part to one individual yet they won comfortably, had a clean sheet and only allowed 4 shots on goal.

There are plenty of games where I would agree with you, but definitely not this one.

Yeah and I'm saying that was very much in spite of Ramos. But to address this fully, I have a love-hate feeling towards him.

The love part: This extends beyond football, I actually look up (as much as one can towards a total stranger) to him because of the fact that he is ridiculously confident, almost to a point where it's baffling. It's a part of my entire being that I suffer from: to be confident even in the face of something you know you really have little chance to succeed. If he ran for public office, I am almost certain he'll win. It's that confidence and bravery (as well as whatever skill he has a footballer) that truly define his greatness and no matter what, I'll always be so enamored with what he is. He is a proper Madrid legend and a true representation of Madridismo. "Ramos Time" is not just saying, it's a calling for when we need a leader to do leader things, there is Sergio Ramos.

Hate: He sucks as a top class CB. Not gonna pretend, not gonna mince my words, he sucks as one. If I have to give him a grade, it'll either be B- or C+, either or, it's not a grade you supposed to give a "world class defender". And unlike Marcelo, who is a wing back and can get away with defensive unawareness (in theory), Ramos is a CB and they have one job. And more often than not, Ramos disappoints me in that department. And we'll remember the big moments, the matches where legends are made and songs are sang but majority of the time, Ramos has legit lapses of concentration, struggles with offside traps and would make midfield runs that only he can explain why he did that.

couldn't watch the game live , caught it some hours after, despite our results from the other games, this is the one that impressed me the most, modric and kroos were amazing - kroos with those xabi-like passes, and people may or may not know my dislike of isco but he balled today and that free kick. it was similar to the one he hit against italy, only this time, goalie barely moved, that says how deadly the shot is

he says he is an expert in taking them from that angle, to have him hit them on that flank and bale on the opposite flank is a dangerous combo for any wall or goalie. it looked a regular free kick, it looked slow, but the goalie didn't even move so it must have been fast at the same time, hard to explain

a good game, but defense. as i've said people love the offensive part of the game, but i'd like to see some discipline at the back, make opposing forwards uncomfortable. navas did way too much work than i would have liked, way too much....if i were him, i'd have a word with the backline

Was it also part of every other manager he's played for at Madrid tactics? Because he's always been a calamitous defender regardless of style.

They would have if they could.  Only Mourinho had the balls to call him out on it.  After the Euro and WC win for Spain, he was basically untouchable.

And that's not at all what Doc said btw.  Not even a little bit.  He's out of position a lot of times whether he goes on his insane forward runs or not.

He was better defensively (although not good consistently) over the past 2-3 years.  But he's lost his mind this season again.  Maybe that one is on Lopetegui.  But the bottom line is that fullbacks have the option to attack regularly.  Not CBs.  The only time a CB pushes forward like that should be if the field is wide open and he can carry the ball that far...  Ramos actually gives up the ball early and then makes runs as if he's a CF.  It's ridiculous unless you're in desperation mode chasing the score.  Even then, you want midfielders taking those risks...  not CBs.

He just has a really big opinion of himself to go along with having a very low IQ out there.

THAT SAID, very good captain, inspirational leader and big game player.  If we're rating him overall, I'd rather have him on Madrid then anywhere else.  BUT he does cost us fairly often and the issue is fixable... but he doesn't want to fix himself, which is the frustrating part.

I'm surprised Roma didn't pressure our midfield. The formula against us is pretty well known.

That's why you pressure our midfield...  because giving them space is suicide.  You want to get the ball out of the feet of our midfielders as quickly as possible.  They're the most likely to kill you if you allow them to play their normal game.

ffs dude.  what is wrong with you.

So you are basing the negative comments about Ramos on his taking part in offense! As a result he does get caught out of position occasionally. I will give you that! I’ll also give you he is overly aggressive at times, plus quick tempered. But aside from that I maintain he is WC.

I know I wrote more than just "taking part in the offense". In fact:

Ramos has legit lapses of concentration, struggles with offside traps and would make midfield runs that only he can explain why he did that.

This is not something that spring up under Lope, this has been him since he came, whether it be a RB or CB. This has not changed at all.

you need to take it easy man. nobody is targeting you or Spain. we're Real Madrid fans ffs. do you think anyone who dislikes Spain would be a RM fan? that's just paranoia and a fragile ego talking.

sportsczy wrote:that's just paranoia and a fragile ego talking.

You and Chad in a nutshell. Just add some water and a pinch of arrogance