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Post by Myesyats on Mon Oct 07, 2019 3:27 am

Hold your horses pal, I wrote "Whatever dude" because this isn't the main point of the discussion.

The point is - Biden has enough money to retire. And he should.

But if you want to know - this was my source:

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Post by Young Kaz on Mon Oct 07, 2019 3:59 am

@Unique wrote:
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so the 57yo man can work 12 hours a day but you wont let the Lebanese and Nigerian workers do that many hours why is that


Non Japanese workers at Japanese companies are not expected to work Japanese hours. I allow them to do 9-3:30 monday-thursday. Fridays they do 9-11:30 as that is a sacred day for Muslims.

In comparison the other 4 usually do 8:30-7 Monday-Friday with a saturday or two a quarter being 9-1. This is once every few months, and when it does happen I make sure I am actually over there and not at home.

In the grand sense the hours are pretty similar.
so the japanese workers get worked to death but the muslim workers get time off. that dont seem fair to me tbh. scratch


8:30-7 is hardly worked to death. I know some teams within my company that have it worse. I am committed to being the lifestyle team. And Honestly I dont count hours in office normally. I am not there all the time, all I can see during your day(the vast majority of which is done in the middle of the night here) is whether or not your Slack or Skype for Business icon is green. If they want to leave at 6, its on them, even that is 5 AM my time. They work for each other and the team.

Them being Muslim is only relevant on Friday. Even if they were Christian like you they wouldnt be working those hours. Its against policy for almost every business. Making them work those hours is considered rude. Even old school compnaies and managers understand that other cultures are different. You have to tailor the job to the culture to get maximum efficiency out of workers. If I had my way they wouldnt have to come into the office at all on Friday, but I understand that will come with years of exceptional team work. We are well on our way.
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Post by Young Kaz on Mon Oct 07, 2019 4:07 am

@Myesyats wrote:Hold your horses pal, I wrote "Whatever dude" because this isn't the main point of the discussion.

The point is - Biden has enough money to retire. And he should.

But if you want to know - this was my source:

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The guy who seems to write dqydj seems to play a bit loose with numbers.

He lists the median worker income as 39k but the IRS lists it as 31 hmm
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Post by BarrileteCosmico on Mon Oct 07, 2019 7:45 pm

Hearing Yang's name a lot more around the office. From both quasi libertarians and the very progressive.

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Post by McLewis on Tue Oct 08, 2019 2:08 pm

Yeah Yang has more of a pulse than I thought he would have at this stage. Buttigieg even more so now that Sanders and Biden are falling behind Warren.
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Post by BarrileteCosmico on Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:27 am

So what do you guys make of this whole Tulsi Gabbard thing?

One the one hand, Clinton is clearly crazy to make these accusations with no proof whatsoever.

On the other, Tulsi went full Trump and clearly overplayed her hand, so I'm not sure she did herself any favors when she had a chance to use this as an advertisement opportunity

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Post by Freeza on Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:31 am

She seems like a loon

Just watched that family video of hers comparing gay marriage to bestiality

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Post by Clutch on Mon Oct 21, 2019 6:21 am

I mean she has 0 shot of winning. Surprised she hasnt dropped out yet

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Post by McLewis on Mon Oct 21, 2019 2:58 pm

This is not a good look from Hillary.

She needs to sit down and enjoy her retirement as an elder stateswoman of the party. Butting in by throwing conspiracy theory bombs about 2020 candidates into the national conversation is a massive distraction that hurts Democrats who are now forced to answer questions about it.

As for Gabbard, I'm not sure why so many are confused by her, but she skews more towards the conservative side of the Democrat spectrum. That's literally it. She's a bit of a rarity, but I liken her a little bit to Joe Manchin in the Senate. Her stance on LGBTQ issues is messy and inconsistent and while I believe her intention with Assad was well-meaning, it is geopolitical poison to even try to open a dialogue with him, no matter who you are or what party you represent.

Beyond this, she has no chance of winning the Dem nom yet the interesting thing is that she is moderate enough to perhaps attract those Biden voters so I could see her actually doing well against Trump in the general election. Her even bigger problem is that her overall policies are underdeveloped. While she's a good debater, there just isn't enough substance there.
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Post by Pedram on Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:31 pm

Honestly i think Democrats are going to have a serious problem if they nominate Biden or Warren. they're going to need an inspiring candidate if they want to defeat Trump, i don't see that factor in either Biden or Warren.

Biden is toast if he, by any chances, get past the primaries, just take a look at his abysmal third quarter fundraising, for a top polling candidate he's doing exceptionally bad, getting beaten by Buttigieg and fucking Steyer.

Warren is doing better than him by i'm not sure how much she can deal with Republicans attacks on her taxes and healthcare plan, she looks quite vulnerable by refusing to answer a simple yes/no question on raising middle class taxes, this could turn into a huge talking point against her when she faces Trump, it makes her look dishonest to potential undecided voters.

The only person that i think can mobilize and inspire people effectively in the general election is Sanders, he looks more authentic than others and says the truth even though some of the stuff he says regarding economy and socialized healthcare might make moderates uncomfortable.
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Post by McLewis on Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:59 pm

Biden is comfort food for the large majority of base Democrats that just want to get back to the "normalcy" of status quo politics pre-Trump. Pre-Ukraine scandal, I'd say he was Teflon politically. Not so much now. His polling in Iowa is a cause for mild alarm, but he's still largely solid. If the same polling trend pops up in other early primary states though, that's when he should be really worried.

As for Warren, it's as you said. She's got to figure out a way to answer that simple question in a way that not only assuages people's concern about her polices, but has them fully on board with them. Very difficult needle to thread.

Sanders' rather blunt and less tactful approach is indeed more authentic. It will absolutely alienate rank and file Democrats, but he's betting big on younger generations, primarily milennials. If enough of them are on board with his plans, it won't really matter what their parents (more traditional, moderate Democrats) think about it. That said, he is polling very poorly with black Americans, especially black women. Blacks are the Democrats largest and most key demographic. Without them, you don't get the nomination. That's his Achilles' heel.

Don't sleep on Buttigieg though. His debate performance really perked up some ears and he's moderate enough to become a viable and much younger alternative to Biden. I think he's the greatest benefactor of Biden's loss of infallibility. He's polling extremely well in Iowa and may even win it. If there's anyone that's going to displace Sanders in the Top 3, it's him. For me, he has to roll out a more comprehensive policy agenda as that's the only thing keeping him from really breaking through.
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