Re: Gaza Crisis Thread II

[RedOranje]

I think ALL of you posting in this thread could do with rereading the rules of the forum, and that applies to those of you who choose to simply complain rather than use the Report system in dealing with broken rules.

This thread will be locked until next week to give everyone here a chance to re-familiarize themselves with the rules of the forum... then we'll try re-opening it and giving it another go.

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[RealGunner]

Sky News Newsdesk ‏@SkyNewsBreak 5m
A new 72-hour ceasefire in #Gaza has begun from 10pm UK time after Israel and Hamas agreed to enter indirect negotiations in Cairo tomorrow


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It looks like the fight is genuinely coming to an end.

[LeVersacci]

Isn't this like the 3rd ceasefire?

[RealGunner]

Last 2 lasted about 20 minutes combined.

This one seems genuine since the fighting at both ends has slowed down anyways.

[RED]

I went to the demo on Saturday. Incredible turn out. About 150k people turned up.

People of all background. Saw many Jews too.

I even captured footage of Pedro Pascal (oberyn) from GoT. He was waving a Free Palestine flag from his hotel window in a show of support.

was a great feeling.

[BarrileteCosmico]

Israelis' quandary: How to aid Gazans but not Hamas

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/08/11/israel-gaza-humanitarian-aid/13887853/

Spoiler:

[RealGunner]

Palestinian delegation head, Azzam Al Ahmad, says new ceasefire extended until MONDAY - that's 5 day/120 hour extension - starting in 15mins

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Hmm getting somewhere. Hopefully it's all over within few weeks.

[Peccadillo]

This threads a ghost town after it got locked.

Anyway;
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/palestinians-say-israeli-strike-hit-home-of-top-hamas-commander-in-gaza/2014/08/20/435bfcda-285d-11e4-958c-268a320a60ce_story.html

Ceasefire broken, Hamas say it was Israel creating pretext for assignation attempt of Hamas leader, killing his infant child and wife instead. Israel say Hamas fired some rockets first.

So Israel respond to Rockets fired from position X, Y, Z by bombing what they believed to be the residence of the Hamas leader.. I know which sounds more likely.

[RealGunner]

A long-term ceasefire has been agreed between Israel and Palestinian militants in the Gaza Strip.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28939350

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Looks like it's over. Thankfully.

[RED]

Wonderful news.

R.I.P to all the innocent Palestinian kids, women and men who were murdered by the Zionist terrorist.

It may be over, for now, or how it's generally viewed as "paused", but one small glimmer of positive, if you can call it that, is that through social media, those who were oblivious to the Palestinian-Israel conflict now know who the real enemy is. Those who were fed propaganda by zionist run western media now know who the real evil is. Thanks to the internet, especially Twitter, Facebook, IG, Youtube and Whatsapp.

Farah Baker (check her out on Twitter) broke the news on my timeline. I'm so happy right now.

[arabprince]

Glad to hear it is over. Wonder why this is being viewed by the Palestinians as a victory on their part. Anyone have any thoughts?

[RED]

Glad to hear it is over. Wonder why this is being viewed by the Palestinians as a victory on their part. Anyone have any thoughts?

Because the Israeli tried to wipe them off completely. The victory is that they are still alive, and still in their land. Israel failed to accomplish what they intended.

[guest_07]

still survived after been bombed by super high-tech, super "precise" army

yes, palestine can called theirs as victory

[Peccadillo]

Glad to hear it is over. Wonder why this is being viewed by the Palestinians as a victory on their part. Anyone have any thoughts?

It is a victory for Palestine because Israel, after all their indiscriminate murder of 2,139men, women and children, ultimately achieved nothing from their assaults.

All they did was tarnish their self-purported, contrived image as a victim cornered and surrounded by uncivilised barbarians.

Any Israeli citizen with any sense of decency left in them, should see this latest assault for what it was and denounce their illegitimate state and migrate back to where they came from.

OR push for reform (overhaul) of government policy.

I hope the military aid is reduced and whoever is left that clearly has no decency can rot for all I care.

Anyway I am quite sure neither will happen. Military Aid will continue and we will go full circle in a few years time. Israel's probably fairly useful to the US with the rise of the Islamic State.

[BarrileteCosmico]

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/foreigners/2014/09/israel_s_illegal_land_grab_in_west_bank_the_israeli_rationale_is_no_different.html

[guest_07]

israel did not have "peace" word in their dictionary

so sad

[RED]

[Expressly against forum rules. - RO]

Remember, this is just a 'pause'.


Anyways, in the meantime...

[iftikhar]

The truce seems to be holding, for some weeks now. Any idea about actual development or to what end the negotiations are directed!!!

[BarrileteCosmico]

Israel proposes nationality that would officially make non-Jewish people 2nd class citizens (although many argue that is already the case):

http://foreignpolicy.com/2014/12/03/a-country-that-never-wanted-me/

[iftikhar]

Israel proposes nationality that would officially make non-Jewish people 2nd class citizens (although many argue that is already the case):

http://foreignpolicy.com/2014/12/03/a-country-that-never-wanted-me/

[RealGunner]

UN Security Council rejects Palestinian resolution

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-30639764

[El Gunner]

I remember I did this in grade 10 history, but I probably didn't pay enough attention.
What is the point of veto powers exactly. Why have a vote between multiple parties when there is one who has the power to overturn it all at the end? Basically, you just have to wait for the party who has the veto to make a decision and accept it and not bother yourself any further by voting.
Someone enlighten me.

[McLewis]

Both sides need to be able to compromise and make hard choices if there's going to be a truly meaningful resolution here. There's going to have to be some give and take in these negotiations and I don't think that there was enough of that with this resolution. That much I agree with our envoy on.

As for your question, El G....the short answer? The UN system is a trainwreck of a system that is fixed in favor of the few most powerful countries to the detriment of the smaller ones. Simply put.

[Pedram]

As long as Nathanyahu is in reign there won't be any compromise.

[DuringTheWar]

All they did was tarnish their self-purported, contrived image as a victim cornered and surrounded by uncivilised barbarians.

And now the Palestinians are doing their bloody best to restore that image

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