Re: What Ronaldo lacks? Why he never gets full credit?

by Harmonica Tue Jun 19, 2012 10:42 pm

buddytaller wrote:
jiopsi wrote:
buddytaller wrote:Messi scored just two goals or so in Barcelona's first 10 away games, he was uncharacteristically poor away from home, and Barcelona suffered as a result.
Penaldo was shit all season, and scored only penalties in autumn.

Can't you debate your points without namecalling and insults?

Can't you be objective and have fking somewhat intelligent arguments for once?

by jibers Tue Jun 19, 2012 10:44 pm

jiopsi wrote:
buddytaller wrote:
jiopsi wrote:
buddytaller wrote:Messi scored just two goals or so in Barcelona's first 10 away games, he was uncharacteristically poor away from home, and Barcelona suffered as a result.
Penaldo was shit all season, and scored only penalties in autumn.

Can't you debate your points without namecalling and insults?
Can't you be objective and have fking somewhat intelligent arguments for once?

You can't make a rock bleed...

by billionmillion Tue Jun 19, 2012 10:45 pm

One more fact that Madrid won it as a team:

Ronaldo 60 goals 15 assists (15 penalties)
Benzema 32 goals 15 assists (0 penalty)
Higuain 26 goals 10 assists (0 penalty)
Ozil 7 goals 25 assists

Benzema and Higuain didnt even play half minutes that Ronaldo played. As we can see if Benzema played full 90 minutes every game and took all penalties he would have 70 goals and 30 assists this season smoking

by billionmillion Tue Jun 19, 2012 10:57 pm

billionmillion wrote:One more fact that Madrid won it as a team:

Ronaldo 60 goals 15 assists (15 penalties)
Benzema 32 goals 15 assists (0 penalty)
Higuain 26 goals 10 assists (0 penalty)
Ozil 7 goals 25 assists

Compared to Barcelona:

Messi - 72 goals 29 assists
Fabregas - 15 goals 18 assists
Xavi - 14 goals 14 assists
Pedro - 13 goals 3 assists

So basically CR is a top-2 player because he plays more than Benzema and Higuain and takes all penalties? :facepalm:

by Lord Hades Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:14 pm

jibers wrote:
Zealous wrote:Messi was only sub par against Chelsea and Real Madrid this season.

Against the heavy weights of Racing and and Victoria Plzen he was the goat

He raped you in th copa first leg, raped you in the 3-1 win in la liga, raped you in the supercup twice...yet he flopped againt Madrid in 1 game... Ronaldo flops in every el classico and scored a goal laid on a plate by Madrids best player ozil and he is player of the season....

rubbish

by Mr Nick09 Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:21 pm

jibers wrote:
Zealous wrote:Messi was only sub par against Chelsea and Real Madrid this season.

Against the heavy weights of Racing and and Victoria Plzen he was the goat

He raped you in th copa first leg, raped you in the 3-1 win in la liga, raped you in the supercup twice...yet he flopped againt Madrid in 1 game... Ronaldo flops in every el classico and scored a goal laid on a plate by Madrids best player ozil and he is player of the season....

copa and supercopa do not count for player of the season nominations, you noob. oh, and a season is made of more games that the clasico is my calculations are correct.

by Valkyrja Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:26 pm

billionmillion wrote:
billionmillion wrote:One more fact that Madrid won it as a team:

Ronaldo 60 goals 15 assists (15 penalties)
Benzema 32 goals 15 assists (0 penalty)
Higuain 26 goals 10 assists (0 penalty)
Ozil 7 goals 25 assists
Compared to Barcelona:

Messi - 72 goals 29 assists
Fabregas - 15 goals 18 assists
Xavi - 14 goals 14 assists
Pedro - 13 goals 3 assists

So basically CR is a top-2 player because he plays more than Benzema and Higuain and takes all penalties?

So Benzema is as good as Messi.

by FennecFox7 Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:30 pm

He is a very good goalscorer.. and a very underrated overall player. Everyone has their opinion though

by FennecFox7 Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:33 pm

BigBadBen wrote:He goes down like a sack of shit all the time. He's about as strong as a paper clip.

He can't dribble at all.

His passing, teamwork & decision making, were much better at MUFC

Could you further explain... because you cant further then the truth

Ronaldo weak as a paper clip.. really. your kidding right

by FennecFox7 Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:40 pm

Zune wrote:Lol at people who think Ronaldo is a great player. All he does is score 50+ goals and gets 15 odd assists consistently. Lol the stupid people in real world football. What do they know? The coaches, footballers, pundits...all are deceived. Real Madrid decided to pay world record fee for this dude simply because he looked good, and SAF now feels they got bargain as he looks better with every hairstyle. But there are real footballers who depend upon true footballing abilities, for whom clubs will pay 100+m tomorrow (like Messi and and and....so many other footballers). And those people at Nike...where do these marketing managers get their education? Seriously, the world picked a random good looking Portugese guy who says who can play football but can only score tons of goals, rack up some assists, is great both on and off the ball, is an awesome athelete, heads, shoots with both legs, is a dead ball specialist, is first to come and last to leave in training, is a fierce competitor and has some few other not so important traits and made him a superstar. 2nd best my ass!

EDIT

by Jack Daniels Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:43 pm

^He was being sarcastic.

by Mr Nick09 Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:43 pm

Giggity it's time for your afternoon snack

by FennecFox7 Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:52 pm

actually its night here

Mr Nick09 wrote:Giggity it's time for your afternoon snack

by BigBadBen Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:55 pm

Ronaldo isn't a strong guy, Dani Alves bullies him in challenges all the time.

Nani is stronger.

by FennecFox7 Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:59 pm

BigBadBen wrote:Ronaldo isn't a strong guy, Dani Alves bullies him in challenges all the time.

Nani is stronger.

ive never seen dani alves bully ronaldo off the ball. Actually the opposite on one occasion. nani is not weak at all but ronaldo imo is defently stronger.

BTW, aggression =/= strength

by BigBadBen Wed Jun 20, 2012 12:04 am

Ok then, Ronaldo is strong, but a bitch.

Fair ?

by Swanhends Wed Jun 20, 2012 1:00 am

by Lex Wed Jun 20, 2012 2:01 am

"weak as a paperclip"

I'm stealing that LOL

by halamadrid2 Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:29 am

jibers wrote:
He raped you in th copa first leg, raped you in the 3-1 win in la liga, raped you in the supercup twice...yet he flopped againt Madrid in 1 game... Ronaldo flops in every el classico and scored a goal laid on a plate by Madrids best player ozil and he is player of the season....

UH-OH, so making a pass that leads to a goal is raping these days??? get out of your butt buddy, since the CL second leg last season Missi has been average against us apart from one or two passes a game that results in goals..... oh boy the length people would go to overrate a player :facepalm:

by kiranr Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:43 am

Messi has not been average. In fact he was the one who made the difference in the first La Liga game last season. Although he did perform up to his usual standards in the second match.

But, you must admit, Ozil was the MOTM in the second Clasico.

by Harmonica Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:51 am

Again this discussion? Messi was better in every competition this year than Cronaldo. I think that's pretty obvious for everybody who watched their games, no need to go on and on about it.

by stunt Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:58 am

Messi is so gud he won the league and CL on his own. Oh wait. Barca is so good they won every competition there is to win this year. Oh wait.

Only people who dont understand football say Messi is obviously the best. To the ones who do understand football, choosing the better player is quite hard and most of the times impossible.

This forum gets worse by the day really. I guess everyone got sick of the Barca trolls.

by halamadrid2 Wed Jun 20, 2012 12:00 pm

kiranr wrote:
Messi has not been average. In fact he was the one who made the difference in the first La Liga game last season. Although he did perform up to his usual standards in the second match.

But, you must admit, Ozil was the MOTM in the second Clasico.

tbh the only one that made the difference in that 3-1 win, was that deflected shot by Xavi that went in, all air went out of the players stomachs by then lol.... Then you have that brilliant cross by Alves that found Cesc, Missi didn't do anything that had me thinking ohh wow we could've lost by more there... the fact that he had to wait over 15 mins to get a touch on the ball says it all or that he had to go all the way down to DMs to do so, i am not saying he was completely FOTM because there were worse players, but to say Missi dominated when he didn't is just a fallacy

jiopsi wrote:Again this discussion? Messi was better in every competition this year than Cronaldo. I think that's pretty obvious for everybody who watched their games, no need to go on and on about it.

every competition??? LaLiga he definitely wasn't, Copa he wasn't, CL he was but against the Leverkusens, every ball has to go through Missi or else you get slaughtered ask Ibra.... Missi had an average season deal with it

by Harmonica Wed Jun 20, 2012 12:04 pm

halamadrid2 wrote:
jiopsi wrote:Again this discussion? Messi was better in every competition this year than Cronaldo. I think that's pretty obvious for everybody who watched their games, no need to go on and on about it.

every competition??? LaLiga he definitely wasn't, Copa he wasn't, CL he was but against the Leverkusens, every ball has to go through Missi or else you get slaughtered ask Ibra.... Missi had an average season deal with it

He certainly was. In every possible way.

Messi & Cronaldo La Liga 2011-2012

Goals:

Messi 50 (10 penalty)
Cronaldo 46 (12 penalty)

Accuracy:

Messi 5.5 shots/ goal
Cronaldo 6.9 shots/ goal

Individuality of goals:

Messi, 22/50 or 44% were directly assisted (no involvement in buildup play)
Cronaldo, 35/46 or 80% were directly assisted (no involvement in buildup play)

Assists:

Messi 20
Cronaldo 12

Creativity:

Messi 56 throughballs, 92 key passes (resulting in a shot)
Cronaldo 19 throughballs, 60 key passes (resulting in a shot)

Build up play:

Messi 176 dribbless
Cronaldo 73 dribbless

Lost posession:

Messi 96 dispossessed + 61 turnovers = 157 times
Cronaldo 79 dispossessed + 86 turnovers = 165 times

MoM (whoscored.com)

Messi 24
Cronaldo 15

Importance of stats:

Here is La Liga 11-12 without Messi's and Cronaldo's goals, and assists:

What Ronaldo lacks? Why he never gets full credit? - Page 6 MessiCronoLaLiga

What Ronaldo lacks? Why he never gets full credit? - Page 6 MessiCronoLaLiga

http://king-football.com/bb/?p=431

Messi got points for the team in 15 games, 35 overall.
Cronaldo got points for the team in 11 games, 25 overall.

by kiranr Wed Jun 20, 2012 12:05 pm

stunt wrote:Messi is so gud he won the league and CL on his own. Oh wait. Barca is so good they won every competition there is to win this year. Oh wait.

Only people who dont understand football say Messi is obviously the best. To the ones who do understand football, choosing the better player is quite hard and most of the times impossible.

This forum gets worse by the day really. I guess everyone got sick of the Barca trolls.

Really? You think choosing between Messi and CR is hard? Laughing

by kiranr Wed Jun 20, 2012 12:09 pm

halamadrid2 wrote:

tbh the only one that made the difference in that 3-1 win, was that deflected shot by Xavi that went in, all air went out of the players stomachs by then lol.... Then you have that brilliant cross by Alves that found Cesc, Missi didn't do anything that had me thinking ohh wow we could've lost by more there... the fact that he had to wait over 15 mins to get a touch on the ball says it all or that he had to go all the way down to DMs to do so, i am not saying he was completely FOTM because there were worse players, but to say Missi dominated when he didn't is just a fallacy

Missi had an average season deal with it

Messi did not dominate but he was one who created the first goal when everyone were pinned back by the Madrid pressing. He was the one who made the difference in that match.

Look, i did not want to get into this, but Messi by no means had an average season. He scored a record -breaking number of goals last season and that definitely does not qualify as an average season.

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