Casillas the winningest footballer in the history of International football.

1 on 1 save on wc final.saving penalty vs paraguay when spain played like crap

meh,any GK would have done that

i'd give the outfield players more credit for spain's success. no way cassilas was the main reason lol. but good for cassilas. impressive record for someone who's still pretty young for a gk.

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:

Ganso wrote:

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:

Gil wrote:Going along for the ride = a GOAT?

Xavi, Iniesta, Torres, Villa, hell even Senna were far more important to Spain's dominance.

Give Reina & Valdes the same amount of caps and they would have won 95.

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penalty save vs paraguay,2 1 vs 1 saves on WC final + other great saves.how is he not a massive reason behind spain's success?

Most of those saves any random gk could have made..... Spain's success was down to the midfield and Villa & Torres.... not a GK who could have sat down and had a picnic with the amount of time he was standing around with nothing to do.

Hell he could have built a house made out of dirt tbh....

Zeal stay mad brah, because iam not apart of the wankfest dont mean i should bow down and join in

Also this record means f*ck all really as Torres record of wins will be somewhat similar doesnt make him a GOAT tho as it does with some of the other Spain players.

I'm not mad, you're being hard headed though. Any keeper smh the whole point is that no other keeper did now did they? Spain wouldn't have won the Euros or the WC without Iker, Xavi even said as much.

And your Torres analogy is so poor, actually look at Iker's performances, he's always been there for Spain when they've needed him to step up. If you can't see that then that's your agenda.

You're always ready to jump into other wankfests btw so let's not pretend you're the beacon of objectivity (for the record I'm not saying that I am).

Iker is one of the greatest GK's of all time, whether you agree with it or not.

The Zealous/Mole bromance is in danger of crumbling

When you admit Iker's importance pales into comparison to the midfield and the front 2 i'll admit that not any old GK could have done what he did

Also the wankfests i jumped into are usually wankfests that havent been done to death over and over again....

If you notice i dont even get involved in Messi and Ronaldo discussions anymore as i could'nt care less same here as its been done to death it bores me...

So i feel the need it to mock the whole idea of it.

I would just go to bed but iam watching Brazil v USA

People still going on about THAT SAME F'IN "SAVE" in the final.

If Robben bottling a chance and shooting straight at Iker is the reason Spain won the World Cup then my argument that Iniesta's goal wouldn't have been possible without that Torres cross can no longer be considered asinine.

Only thing I'll give Casillas credit for in the last 5/6 years are his saves in that penalty shootout against Italy in the Euros & Sara Carbonero.

Gil wrote:People still going on about THAT SAME F'IN "SAVE" in the final.

If Robben bottling a chance and shooting straight at Iker is the reason Spain won the World Cup then my argument that Iniesta's goal wouldn't have been possible without that Torres cross can no longer be considered asinine.

Only thing I'll give Casillas credit for in the last 5/6 years are his saves in that penalty shootout against Italy in the Euros & Sara Carbonero.

lol if i use that logic , then cech didnt deserve to win the goalie of the tournament either , after all most of barca and bayern's misses were due to poor finishing , not great keeping righT?

With that Barca midfield it's no surprise

BarrileteCosmico wrote:With that Barca midfield it's no surprise

Hints: Valdes

Real Madrid fans when Valdes gets 5th Zamorra: It's not his fault, it's possession football's

Real Madrid fans when Casillas gets a record with many of the same key players and possession football: GOAT

Season long statistical award = cup competition.

Should reiterate...

Pablo Ibanez and Mario Pernia were automatic starters for years.......

I could make the same argument for every other player, anyone could score the goal Iniesta scored any one could make that Fabregas pass etc etc.

Playing style had alot to do with our wins and players like Senna and Xavi , Puyol and Ramos made immense contributions but denying that Casillas was a key part is stupid.

BarrileteCosmico wrote:Real Madrid fans when Valdes gets 5th Zamorra: It's not his fault, it's possession football's

Real Madrid fans when Casillas gets a record with many of the same key players and possession football: GOAT

BarrileteCosmico wrote:Real Madrid fans when Valdes gets 5th Zamorra: It's not his fault, it's possession football's

Real Madrid fans when Casillas gets a record with many of the same key players and possession football: GOAT

GOAT post.

If you guys don't give Valdes credit for the most clean sheets in the past 5 years, then i fail to see how Casillas deserves an credit for the most wins in the competition.

Only Madrid fans are capable of such powerful logic. I am surprised even Samourai is making such claims.

kiranr wrote:If you guys don't give Valdes credit for the most clean sheets in the past 5 years, then i fail to see how Casillas deserves an credit for the most wins in the competition.

Only Madrid fans are capable of such powerful logic. I am surprised even Samourai is making such claims.

Just unbelievable! they completely did 360 degree turn when it comes to Casillas.Talk about double standard.

kiranr wrote:If you guys don't give Valdes credit for the most clean sheets in the past 5 years, then i fail to see how Casillas deserves an credit for the most wins in the competition.

Only Madrid fans are capable of such powerful logic. I am surprised even Samourai is making such claims.

Iker has come through for us when we need him, always, since he was 21 years old (for the international team).

The overall record means nothing to me to be honest, I think the overall quality of the team largely influenced it....however I do think other keepers like Buffon or Barthez had similar quality teams and better defenses(Better quality accross the entire career, from 02-07 or so our team really wasn't that good) in front of them so meh.

I've always been pretty clear...I hate statistical awards or records.

There's a reason I always bring up World Cup 02 when I talk about Iker....he was clearly our best player at the tournament, he really put us on his shoulders, I have bitter memories of being cheated out of that tournament, because it couldve been a very very big moment ( It was but it couldve been Greatest of All time without any exaggeration at all)for him. Although I guess he doesn't mind right about now

BarrileteCosmico wrote:Real Madrid fans when Valdes gets 5th Zamorra: It's not his fault, it's possession football's

Real Madrid fans when Casillas gets a record with many of the same key players and possession football: GOAT

Das Logic

Le Samourai wrote:

kiranr wrote:If you guys don't give Valdes credit for the most clean sheets in the past 5 years, then i fail to see how Casillas deserves an credit for the most wins in the competition.

Only Madrid fans are capable of such powerful logic. I am surprised even Samourai is making such claims.

Iker has come through for us when we need him, always, since he was 21 years old (for the international team).

The overall record means nothing to me to be honest, I think the overall quality of the team largely influenced it....however I do think other keepers like Buffon or Barthez had similar quality teams and better defenses(Better quality accross the entire career, from 02-07 or so our team really wasn't that good) in front of them so meh.

I've always been pretty clear...I hate statistical awards or records.

There's a reason I always bring up World Cup 02 when I talk about Iker....he was clearly our best player at the tournament, he really put us on his shoulders, I have bitter memories of being cheated out of that tournament, because it couldve been a very very big moment ( It was but it couldve been Greatest of All time without any exaggeration at all)for him. Although I guess he doesn't mind right about now

I can agree with this. However i feel the Spain team from 08-11 was better than those Italian and French teams in my opinion. But not denying Casillas is GOAT, but these kind of records are possible only when you have GOAT teams.

I just get irked when i see Valdes not getting the credit he deserves for being a key player in the Barca team.

Considiring Spain woulndnt even made it to the final with out Iker's penelty stop vs Paraguay I fail to see how he wasn't instrumental to their WC win.

Where was Xavi, Iniesta, Torres and Senna vs Paraguay?

And that argument by Mole was beyond stupidity "Robben shoot straight at him", the fact that Robben couldn't score one against him was enough since it was instrumental for their win and the "golden generation" of Barca players AKA Puyol and Pique were raped by sheer pace of Robbens so he even got these 2 chanches ffs....

Moot arguments, Iker has been GOAT to Spain's successs, the fact that none has ever scored against him in a final is amazing itself

In Euro's Iker was the best keeper and the reason they beat Italy in penalties.

In world cup if it wasn't for Iker's save they could be eliminated against paraguey. again in final of world cup he saved a 1 on 1 when the game was 0-0.

some people need to think twice really. i know you hate Madrid and probably don't like Iker but come on don't be blind.

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:

Gil wrote:Going along for the ride = a GOAT?

Xavi, Iniesta, Torres, Villa, hell even Senna were far more important to Spain's dominance.

Give Reina & Valdes the same amount of caps and they would have won 95.

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Yep, Valdes has always been there for Barca when they needed him. He's been their saviour time and time again when shit hits the fan. Iker on the other hand just sits idly for 90 minutes while Spain tiki taka's their way to victory. The fact that Spain won all of their games in the World Cup and Euros 5-3 proves this. Casillas was an unneeded innocent bystander in all of those games. The occasional saves he made during the tournaments were highly routine. He also made many blunders in the most crucial stages in the tournament. That missed save against Robben, that absolute howler against Portugal, that abysmal attempt to clear a headed shot against Germany and that appalling misjudgment for that corner against the Netherlands.

Meanwhile, in the real world...

hahaha, go along for a ride?

How about being best GK in both the tournament if he was going along ride?

Whats next ? Spain wouldve won with Pique,Busquets etc replaced by Albiol, Bruno ?

Chelsea wouldve won CL with Curtois in goal ..The If logic is laughable and shows a single digit IQ.

Besides that those Idiots need to recognize that Casillas started his NT career in 2001. Where was those supposed to be Goat team around him at that time?

Spain was bunch of individuals and far from being a decent team from 2001-2008.Casillas has been integral to Spains triumphs both as a Captain and a GK.

The storari wouldve won WC instead of Buffon logic is laughable.

BarrileteCosmico wrote:Real Madrid fans when Valdes gets 5th Zamorra: It's not his fault, it's possession football's

Real Madrid fans when Casillas gets a record with many of the same key players and possession football: GOAT

kiranr wrote:If you guys don't give Valdes credit for the most clean sheets in the past 5 years, then i fail to see how Casillas deserves an credit for the most wins in the competition.

Only Madrid fans are capable of such powerful logic. I am surprised even Samourai is making such claims.

She's 16.

Kev wrote:Yep, Valdes has always been there for Barca when they needed him. He's been their saviour time and time again when shit hits the fan. Iker on the other hand just sits idly for 90 minutes while Spain tiki taka's their way to victory. The fact that Spain won all of their games in the World Cup and Euros 5-3 proves this. Casillas was an unneeded innocent bystander in all of those games. The occasional saves he made during the tournaments were highly routine. He also made many blunders in the most crucial stages in the tournament. That missed save against Robben, that absolute howler against Portugal, that abysmal attempt to clear a headed shot against Germany and that appalling misjudgment for that corner against the Netherlands.

Meanwhile, in the real world...

It is fans like these that irks me. You don't need to discredit Valdes to give credit to Casillas.

Yes, Valdes is one of the key reasons why Barcelona have many trophies. You cannot have it both ways. Either both Valdes and Casillas are passengers for Barcelona and Spain or both are awesome (Iker being better).