Why Israel didn't sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty?

by VivaStPauli Mon Feb 20, 2012 9:51 am

Because they wanted nukes / the option of nukes? Same reason India and Pakistan didn't sign I reckon. :coffee:

by Mamad Mon Feb 20, 2012 10:44 am

So why they want to attack other countries because they think they will create nukes? if its bad its bad for them too.

by VivaStPauli Mon Feb 20, 2012 11:09 am

The argument the West would use is that well-run democracies can at least take care of their nukes. So they'd point out that semi-stable dictatorships can't be trusted with them.

Also, this isn't about being fair, this is about power.

by lenear1030 Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:46 am

VivaStPauli wrote:The argument the West would use is that well-run democracies can at least take care of their nukes. So they'd point out that semi-stable dictatorships can't be trusted with them.

Also, this isn't about being fair, this is about power.

Close thread.

by Le Samourai Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:34 am

Don't blame them.

by Mamad Tue Feb 21, 2012 7:55 am

VivaStPauli wrote:The argument the West would use is that well-run democracies can at least take care of their nukes. So they'd point out that semi-stable dictatorships can't be trusted with them.

Yeah Israeil is the most democratic and trusty country with a great history of peace and kind leaders. they can be trusted. lmao.

what a load of crap.

by RealGunner Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:23 pm

Israel doing something wrong ? no way!??? :lucas:

by VivaStPauli Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:18 pm

Mamad wrote:
VivaStPauli wrote:The argument the West would use is that well-run democracies can at least take care of their nukes. So they'd point out that semi-stable dictatorships can't be trusted with them.

Yeah Israeil is the most democratic and trusty country with a great history of peace and kind leaders. they can be trusted. lmao.

what a load of crap.

I said that's what the Western leadership would say, not that it's true. :coffee:

by Lord Hades Fri Feb 24, 2012 10:00 am

we had a great debate on this in the MUN( model united nations)

the israel delegate had prepared for this question and answered very well about protecting their interests or something lol. .unfortunately none of us considered israel significant enough in terms of world politics.. and that delegate won

Mad

by MJ Sat Feb 25, 2012 9:33 pm

lol, that's kind of the very reason I dropped MUN today... lols

by Ali Sun Feb 26, 2012 10:49 am

*bleep* everything about MUN, misinformed potatoes

by VivaStPauli Sun Feb 26, 2012 3:27 pm

Why? It's a good way to learn how to debate, and to understand positions that aren't your own.

by zizzle Sun Feb 26, 2012 10:49 pm

by MJ Sun Feb 26, 2012 11:35 pm

There you go.

by la bestia negra Mon Feb 27, 2012 12:39 am

When the Arab will put their weapon down there will be a world peace!
When Israel will put their weapons down there will be no Israel!
(Sorry for my bad English).
Israel

read this somewhere

all i can say is we arabs have weapons :vagi:

by lenear1030 Mon Feb 27, 2012 1:10 am

supra969 wrote:
When the Arab will put their weapon down there will be a world peace!
When Israel will put their weapons down there will be no Israel!
(Sorry for my bad English).
Israel

read this somewhere

all i can say is we arabs have weapons :vagi:

logic in that quote is absent

:coffee:

by Senor Penguin Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:35 pm

It often seems that the U.S. government is less reluctant to criticize Israel's methods than those of Russia and China.

Gotta give it to the Zionists ... :bow:

by MJ Tue Feb 28, 2012 3:56 pm

Senor Penguin wrote:Gotta give it to the Zionists ...

They already did... literally Laughing

by Senor Penguin Tue Feb 28, 2012 6:30 pm

MJGunner wrote:
Senor Penguin wrote:Gotta give it to the Zionists ...

They already did... literally

Why Israel didn't sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty? True-story-neil-patrick-harris

by lenear1030 Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:17 pm

Senor Penguin wrote:It often seems that the U.S. government is less reluctant to criticize Israel's methods than those of Russia and China.

Gotta give it to the Zionists ...

funny enough I came across this in a book i'm reading just yesterday

"...it is generally believed that [Golda] Meir informed Nixon that Israel had already acquired the bomb and pledged to keep it invisible-- that is, untested, undeclared, and in low political salience. Nixon agreed to end American annual visits to the nuclear reactor at Dimona and no longer press Israel to sign the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty."

- from Hopes and Prospects by Noam Chomsky

that's a long time....

:coffee:

by Spooony Sat Mar 17, 2012 3:55 pm

Yes we are making nuclear bombs. So watch out. Or are we. Keeping the guys guessing that wants to wipe you from the map is a good self defence and makes them think twice before attacking you with their nuclear weapons. And yes terrorist groups get all its weapons and backing from that other 'we use nuclear for power country'. So they can just slip a nuke to Hamas who will use it and pretend to have nothing to do with it. It will look like that for the rest of the world believing them cause a terrorist group will say we did it. But no one will try and figure out who gave it to them.

Want to see a smaller example of such a scenario. The rockets being fired into Israel. Its capabilities increase day by day but guerrillas have no R&D department or no factories to design better ones. But Iran does and they supply the rockets. Now what if the got a nuke? Instead of a rocket we give you a simple A - Bomb of 20kt easy to smuggle and detonate inside a city. Nagasaki was a 10kt one now think what will a 20kt one do. That is a simple fission nuke. Wait till they get a 3 stage fission fusion fission nuke. It has no limits. All you do is increase the isotypes in the second stage to get a bigger bang which is normally 50 to a 100 megatons. So yes we are concerned and yes we will not say if we got nukes or not. The enemy must be on his toes guessing. That keeps him from using his. By the discussions all over the internet I see it is working as everyone is guessing.

But some people make remarkable statement and theories trying to say who is wrong yet they sit safe in the West 1000's of miles away. If they lived here they tune will change. We can not talk to the palestinians because their own people will beat them drag them around and hang them upside down in the streets. That is the problem really.

by Mamad Sat Mar 17, 2012 4:23 pm

Keeping the guys guessing that wants to wipe you from the map is a good self defence and makes them think twice before attacking you with their nuclear weapons.

Israel threatened to attack Iran about 100000000000 times in past 6-7 years and Ahmadinejad answered with the famous "wipe from the map" once. but the 100000000000 isn't important and we should all be worried about that 1 time that is actually a respond to 10000000000 time threats.

LMAO.

by Yuri Yukuv Sat Mar 17, 2012 4:34 pm

Mamad wrote:
Keeping the guys guessing that wants to wipe you from the map is a good self defence and makes them think twice before attacking you with their nuclear weapons.

Israel threatened to attack Iran about 100000000000 times in past 6-7 years and Ahmadinejad answered with the famous "wipe from the map" once. but the 100000000000 isn't important and we should all be worried about that 1 time that is actually a respond to 10000000000 time threats.

LMAO.

You live in iran?

by Spooony Sat Mar 17, 2012 8:35 pm

Mamad wrote:
Keeping the guys guessing that wants to wipe you from the map is a good self defence and makes them think twice before attacking you with their nuclear weapons.

Israel threatened to attack Iran about 100000000000 times in past 6-7 years and Ahmadinejad answered with the famous "wipe from the map" once. but the 100000000000 isn't important and we should all be worried about that 1 time that is actually a respond to 10000000000 time threats.

LMAO.

Aah the made up things.

In an address to the “World without Zionism” Conference held in Tehran on October 26, 2005, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said:

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Our dear Imam [Khomeini] ordered that this Jerusalem occupying regime [Israel] must be erased from the page of time. This was a very wise statement.

In the same speech of October 26, 2005, Ahmadinejad returned to the theme of Israel as dirty vermin which needed to be eradicated:

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Soon this stain of disgrace will be cleaned from the garment of the world of Islam, and this is attainable.

The theme of the Israeli germ or microbe is also a common one with the Iranian president. In his speech before a crowd in Bandar Abbas on February 20, 2008, Ahmadinejad said:

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In the Middle East, they [theglobal powers] have created a black and filthy microbe called the Zionist regime, so they could use it to attack the peoples of the region, and by using this excuse, they want to advance their schemes for the Middle East.

On April 14, 2006, Ahmadinejad insisted that Israel was “heading towards annihilation.” He added that Israel was:

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A dried, rotten tree that will collapse with a single storm

The President of Iran told a press conference on March 14, 2008, held during a meeting of the Organization of the Islamic Conference in Senegal:

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The Zionist regime is on its way out [destructible].

Referring to the U.S. (the “Great Satan”) and Israel (the “Little Satan”), Ahmadinejad said at a military parade on April 17, 2008:

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The region and the world are prepared for great changes and for being cleansed of Satanic enemies.

He told a press conference on May 13, 2008:

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“This terrorist and criminal state is backed by foreign powers, but this regime would soon be swept away by the Palestinians.”

A day later, Ahmadinejad spoke in Gorgan, in northern Iran, declaring:

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“Israel’s days are numbered,” adding that “the peoples of the region would not miss the narrowest opportunity to annihilate this false regime.”

In a public address shown on the Iranian news channel on June 2, 2008, Ahmadinejad again reiterated:

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“Thanks to God, your wish will soon be realized, and this germ of corruption will be wiped off the face of the world."

Ahmadinejad was fully prepared to make his assertions about Jews and Israel in the Western press, as well. In an interview that appeared in the French daily Le Monde on February 5, 2008, he said the Jews of Israel are:

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“a people falsified, invented, [the people of Israel] will not last; they must leave the territory.”

The difference between international reaction to Khamenei’s statements on Israel and those of Ahmadinejad in 2005 comes from the fact that Ahmadinejad’s declarations were made after the disclosure of Iran’s clandestine nuclear weapons program in 2002-3, and the breakdown of EU-Iranian talks on halting the Iranian uranium enrichment program.

Please make sure of your facts please

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