Bakai wrote:I hope Giovinco will replace Montolivo. Also hope to see Matri and Giaccherini(I just like him for some reason) in squad

Camurrìa.Sto.Stronzo wrote:

Bakai wrote:I hope Giovinco will replace Montolivo. Also hope to see Matri and Giaccherini(I just like him for some reason) in squad

Agreed about Giovinco, but it seems he will come as a Support Striker for either Rossi or Cassano in the second half.

Giaccherrini? First of all, he has not proven anything to be part of the national team, second... he's not good enough for them and third, Wingers are not needed in our system.

Camurrìa.Sto.Stronzo wrote:Well I disagree with Moggi... as for wingers not needed, it stands. Prandelli said in his press conference that he snubbed both Cerci and Pepe as they just don't fit in his system. Anyways, we have Giovinco, he's better than Giach lol.

Camurrìa.Sto.Stronzo wrote:Not entirely, because that has nothing to do with the wingers. They didn't even mention about that, Pepe and Ceri, and Schelotto discussion in the press conference. That was added because new experiements will be implemented, but the 4-3-1-2 is the ideal formation, other's will be back up. As for new formations as well, the first one will be a 4-3-3 and then a 4-2-3-1. Both formations function better with wide foward rather than wingers.

Qualcuno si aspettava degli esperimenti, soprattutto per quanto riguarda gli esterni: Cerci, Schelotto, Pepe, Giaccherini...

«Noi siamo attesi da due partite ufficiali, non giochiamo amichevoli. Voglio affrontarle al meglio, dare continuità al progetto. Per questo non ho pensato a cambiare ora. Ma sto attento, sto valutando il campionato, per capire se e come nelle prossime partite potrò affrontare questo aspetto. Però una cosa è chiara: il centrocampo a rombo, di questo ultimo periodo, diciamo in questo 2011, dà una continuità tecnica importante».

http://www.corrieredellosport.it/calcio/euro_2012/2011/10/03-196551/Prandelli%3A+Juve+da+scudetto.+La+Roma%3F+Seguo+Osvaldo

DeviAngel wrote:

Camurrìa.Sto.Stronzo wrote:Not entirely, because that has nothing to do with the wingers. They didn't even mention about that, Pepe and Ceri, and Schelotto discussion in the press conference. That was added because new experiements will be implemented, but the 4-3-1-2 is the ideal formation, other's will be back up. As for new formations as well, the first one will be a 4-3-3 and then a 4-2-3-1. Both formations function better with wide foward rather than wingers.

Qualcuno si aspettava degli esperimenti, soprattutto per quanto riguarda gli esterni: Cerci, Schelotto, Pepe, Giaccherini...

«Noi siamo attesi da due partite ufficiali, non giochiamo amichevoli. Voglio affrontarle al meglio, dare continuità al progetto. Per questo non ho pensato a cambiare ora. Ma sto attento, sto valutando il campionato, per capire se e come nelle prossime partite potrò affrontare questo aspetto. Però una cosa è chiara: il centrocampo a rombo, di questo ultimo periodo, diciamo in questo 2011, dà una continuità tecnica importante».

http://www.corrieredellosport.it/calcio/euro_2012/2011/10/03-196551/Prandelli%3A+Juve+da+scudetto.+La+Roma%3F+Seguo+Osvaldo

its the same interview only on English ....he said he will change formations ...if we go by that logic than Matri,poli,Bonucci are not needed ... while Montolivo,Barzagli( I agree about him) are guaranteed first 11

Camurrìa.Sto.Stronzo wrote:

DeviAngel wrote:

Camurrìa.Sto.Stronzo wrote:Not entirely, because that has nothing to do with the wingers. They didn't even mention about that, Pepe and Ceri, and Schelotto discussion in the press conference. That was added because new experiements will be implemented, but the 4-3-1-2 is the ideal formation, other's will be back up. As for new formations as well, the first one will be a 4-3-3 and then a 4-2-3-1. Both formations function better with wide foward rather than wingers.

Qualcuno si aspettava degli esperimenti, soprattutto per quanto riguarda gli esterni: Cerci, Schelotto, Pepe, Giaccherini...

«Noi siamo attesi da due partite ufficiali, non giochiamo amichevoli. Voglio affrontarle al meglio, dare continuità al progetto. Per questo non ho pensato a cambiare ora. Ma sto attento, sto valutando il campionato, per capire se e come nelle prossime partite potrò affrontare questo aspetto. Però una cosa è chiara: il centrocampo a rombo, di questo ultimo periodo, diciamo in questo 2011, dà una continuità tecnica importante».

http://www.corrieredellosport.it/calcio/euro_2012/2011/10/03-196551/Prandelli%3A+Juve+da+scudetto.+La+Roma%3F+Seguo+Osvaldo

its the same interview only on English ....he said he will change formations ...if we go by that logic than Matri,poli,Bonucci are not needed ... while Montolivo,Barzagli( I agree about him) are guaranteed first 11

Yes, but the quote you bolded has nothing to do with the wingers. The english translation did not even write about his quote I just sent you, in which perfectly says, HE IS NOT CHANGING ANYTHING and for now not relying on wingers.

I already explained the formations, that is a 4-3-3 and a 4-2-3-1. Those are back up plans, this does not effect the wingers.

Camurrìa.Sto.Stronzo wrote:4-2-3-1 is not even confirmed, only used against Ivory Coast in which is the third option. As for needing wingers, not entirely, it actually fits better with wide forwards, not wingers.

So, guys like Giovinco, Rossi, Balotelli, all fit in that.

Camurrìa.Sto.Stronzo wrote:...

There's a difference between wingers or wide forwards.

Balotelli and Rossi can do those positions just as Giovinco.

For example

Balotelli - Cassano - Giovinco/Rossi

Wingers are not required.

Camurrìa.Sto.Stronzo wrote:And in a 4-2-3-1... wide forwards can work perfectly. Against Ivory Coast we used Balotelli as a wide forward there. With Juventus, Giovinco was used there. Wingers or Wide forwards can play in a 4-2-3-1 or a 4-3-3.

Anyways, the 4-3-3 is on top of it, as we used it 4 times already, last time being against Slovenia with

Rossi --------------- Balotelli
--------- Pazzini -------------

Camurrìa.Sto.Stronzo wrote:No,

"The wide players (be they deep lying forwards, inverted wingers, attacking wide midfielders)"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formation_%28association_football%29#4.E2.80.932.E2.80.933.E2.80.931

Not only Wingers

The 4-2-3-1 formation came to prominence in Spain in the 1990s and early 2000s and is now used by many teams throughout the world.

The two players in front of the back-four, known as the ‘doble pivot’ (double pivot) in Spain, give support to the defense, with one player breaking up opposition attacks, and the other putting more emphasis on distributing the ball to the attacking players.

The formation should ensure teams are not out-numbered in midfield, and with so many advanced players, there is great flexibility.

Striker in the 4-2-3-1 Formation

In this formation, the striker should not lack support as he has three players whose job it is to supply him with ammunition. If the players behind the main striker are of genuine quality, the formation can be a dream for a striker as he should receive plenty of balls into the penalty area.
The 4-2-3-1 formation can accommodate a big target man who can hold the ball up and lay it off for the oncoming midfielders, or a more nimble striker capable of running on to balls and finishing chances.

It is important that the front-man is a strong physical specimen as, despite the support from midfield, he will need to hold off defenders as he looks to carve out chances for himself or teammates.

Attacking Midfielders in the 4-2-3-1 Formation

The three attacking midfielders can be hard for opposition defenses to pick up, especially if they interchange and run in from deeper positions.
There is usually one central creative force, playing behind the striker. When Deportivo La Coruna and Valencia won Spanish League titles in the first half of the last decade under Javier Irureta and Rafael Benitez respectively, Juan Valeron (Deportivo) and Pablo Aimar (Valencia) both featured behind the striker, their subtle skills creating havoc in opposition defenses.

To either side of the playmaker, there are two wider players whose job it is to create chances from the flanks as well as cutting in.

There is also an onus on these three players to help out defensively, particularly those playing in the wide roles. When on the back foot, these players should be helping their full-backs, and the formation will look more like a 4-4-2 or 4-4-1-1.

Defensive Midfielders in the 4-2-3-1 Formation

It is imperative that the two players have positional sense in order to protect the back four properly. One of these two is generally more of a tackler, with the other concentrating on distribution. In that title-winning Valencia team, David Albelda and Ruben Baraja formed an excellent partnership. Albelda did much of the tackling, while Baraja was more offensive. The pair complimented eachother superbly.
Xabi Alonso is the perfect example of a player whose job it is to defend, but also to open up the opposition with his cultured range of passing.

Having two players in front of the back four provides a platform on which the team’s more attacking players can create chances.

Full-backs in the 4-2-3-1 Formation

It is the job of full-backs to defend against opposition attackers, particularly wingers. It is important that they stop the supply line for the striker, so must be strong in the tackle.
Pace is key if they are up against a speedy winger, while they will also be expected to help defend against opposition set-pieces so good heading ability is also required.

A team's full-backs can also be a major attacking weapon. A full-back with pace, power and good crossing ability is a real asset on the flank as they can stretch the other team's wide players and provide ammunition for strikers.

Central Defenders in the 4-2-3-1 Formation

The job of the central defenders is consistent with other formations such as 4-4-2 and 4-5-1. They are there to repel opposition attacks by tacking, heading and marking players (employing either zonal or man-marking tactics).
Center-backs can often be seen going up for set-pieces in the hope of heading in a cross or a corner, but their primary role is to stop the opposition strikers and midfielders.

Strength and concentration are two important attributes when playing in this position.

Camurrìa.Sto.Stronzo wrote:I'm sorry Devi, but where in the article provided does it only say Wingers?

DeviAngel wrote:

Camurrìa.Sto.Stronzo wrote:I'm sorry Devi, but where in the article provided does it only say Wingers?

read it good bro

juventus101 wrote:The best possible Italy squad:

Buffon
Maggio Bonucci Chiellini Balzaretti
Marchisio De Rossi Pirlo
Di Natale
Rossi Matri