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Post by Jack Daniels Tue 20 Sep 2011 - 16:24

IMO..

EPL defenders tend to commit into challenges(easier to get past to especially when on the move) more often while in La Liga they tend to do a stand-off which dsn't give him much space which exposes his overrated dibbling ability.

Not saying that the EPL have inferior defenses. albino

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Post by alexjanosik Tue 20 Sep 2011 - 16:48

He was never an elite dribbler.Barely used to get past players even in his peak.
I think its just a case of him being smarter and realizing what he needed to do to maximize his best asset,goalscoring.
He realized that he doesnt need to get past defenders to get truckloads of goals.
So he has cut out the needless tricks and focused solely on scoring goals.
And he is a damn fine goalscorer at that.As good as any the game has ever seen.

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Post by Adit Tue 20 Sep 2011 - 16:58

As much as i admire Ruud,he got nothing over Cr7.Definitely one of the best goal scorer of all time.
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Post by billy_gr Tue 20 Sep 2011 - 17:05

Ronaldo being way better scorer than Nistelroy is disturbing to say the least
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Post by punkfusion1992 Tue 20 Sep 2011 - 17:09

91 goals in 95 games
nuff said
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Post by Albiceleste Tue 20 Sep 2011 - 17:09

Ronaldo isn't even the best goalscorer of his generation :facepalm:

Calling him one of the greatest goal scorers of all time when his career isn't even over is an insult to the likes of Eusebio, RvN, Gerd Muller, Puskas etc...

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Post by Guest Tue 20 Sep 2011 - 17:10

He's averaging 11 shots a game. Think about that for a second. He gets so much service in Madrid, it's ridiculous. Unfortunately, he doesn't reciprocate enough... He never even came close to averaging that many shots a game at man u.

Problem is not the forwards. They've been stellar. Problem with Madrid is the midfield with Khedira and Sahin never or rarely playing. We have Xabi and Coentrao (not a mid) who are trying to create the link between defense and attack. That has been meh -. Not to mention di Maria has been meh --. Either we press like we did Barca (haven't since) or we have to wait for guys to come back.

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Post by Adit Tue 20 Sep 2011 - 17:12

billy_gr wrote:Ronaldo being way better scorer than Nistelroy is disturbing to say the least
What has ruud has over Ronaldo which makes him a better goal scorer?

Heading?

Poaching?

Finishing?

Freekicks?

Pace?

Versatility?

number of goal scored?

Dribbling?

Technical skills?

dont know really.Cristiano is pretty much better than ruud at every department.

We are talking about the dude who out scored the likes of Hugo sanches,Lionel messi,Distefano etc playing as a LW.

How many players have scored 50+ goals in an entire season in any major league?
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Post by Albiceleste Tue 20 Sep 2011 - 17:13

Adit wrote:
How many players have scored 50+ goals in an entire season in any major league?
Zero?

When did he outscore Messi? Laughing


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Post by EarlyPrototype Tue 20 Sep 2011 - 17:13

Lionel Messi wrote:Ronaldo isn't even the best goalscorer of his generation :facepalm:

Calling him one of the greatest goal scorers of all time when his career isn't even over is an insult to the likes of Eusebio, RvN, Gerd Muller, Puskas etc...

How is it an insult? saying he is a BETTER goal scorer may be an insult in some people's eyes, but being one of the best certainly aint imo.

sportsczy wrote:He's averaging 11 shots a game. Think about that for a second. He gets so much service in Madrid, it's ridiculous.

To be fair half of them are outside the box and some are freekicks from crazy distances and angles.

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Post by Guest Tue 20 Sep 2011 - 17:15

EarlyPrototype wrote:
Lionel Messi wrote:Ronaldo isn't even the best goalscorer of his generation :facepalm:

Calling him one of the greatest goal scorers of all time when his career isn't even over is an insult to the likes of Eusebio, RvN, Gerd Muller, Puskas etc...

How is it an insult? saying he is a BETTER goal scorer may be an insult in some people's eyes, but being one of the best certainly aint imo.

sportsczy wrote:He's averaging 11 shots a game. Think about that for a second. He gets so much service in Madrid, it's ridiculous.

To be fair half of them are outside the box and some are freekicks from crazy distances and angles.


He always took crazy shots. Even crazier at man u and his first 2 years at Madrid... This year, he's actually close to the box on most of them lol.

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Post by Adit Tue 20 Sep 2011 - 17:18

Lionel Messi wrote:
Adit wrote:
How many players have scored 50+ goals in an entire season in any major league?
Zero?

When did he outscore Messi? Laughing
was talking about the league were messi as a CF has way lesser goal than roaldo as a LW.
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Post by EarlyPrototype Tue 20 Sep 2011 - 17:19

If he would stop with those useless long range shots his efficiency would be so much better.
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Post by Adit Tue 20 Sep 2011 - 17:20

And for the record cristiano has 70 goals from 66 appearance for madrid.It is unbelievable and pathetic how much people want to underrate him bcz of his bad boy image.
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Post by Albiceleste Tue 20 Sep 2011 - 17:21

Adit wrote:
Lionel Messi wrote:
Adit wrote:
How many players have scored 50+ goals in an entire season in any major league?
Zero?

When did he outscore Messi? Laughing
was talking about the league were messi as a CF has way lesser goal than roaldo as a LW.
He scored 40 in the league I believe 53 in all competitions

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Post by EarlyPrototype Tue 20 Sep 2011 - 17:21

Haterz gonna hate. *cough* LM10 *cough*
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Post by xabi Tue 20 Sep 2011 - 17:24

Lionel Messi wrote:
Adit wrote:
Lionel Messi wrote:
Adit wrote:
How many players have scored 50+ goals in an entire season in any major league?
Zero?

When did he outscore Messi? Laughing
was talking about the league were messi as a CF has way lesser goal than roaldo as a LW.
He scored 40 in the league I believe 53 in all competitions

Yes. Accually it is 41 according to the pichichi.

And he played less games than messi overall too(all games included)
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Post by Lord Hades Tue 20 Sep 2011 - 17:25

billy_gr wrote:Ronaldo being way better scorer than Nistelroy is disturbing to say the least

no its not actually.. ronaldo's instinct ,finishing is really good.. he can score with his eyes closed lol
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Post by Harmonica Tue 20 Sep 2011 - 17:43

Adit wrote:And for the record cristiano has 70 goals from 66 appearance for madrid.
He has 91 goals in 95 games for Madrid. Messi has scored now 99 in 100 games straight for Barcelona, and what is unbelievable he has done it with a much, much more impressive style, much less shots, much less penalties, much less tap-ins or assisted goals, more in CL, more in head to head games against Madrid.

CR7 is definitely one of the best goal scorers of his generation, but not the best.
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Post by guest7 Tue 20 Sep 2011 - 17:50

Ronaldos poaching ability is the best IMO atm. If he only played correctly as one, and believe me he can - he would do greats.

Too bad he refuses to move to the CF role and still wants to be at LW where Benzema is even better, if Ronaldo whored the box he could easily get 50+ goals per season. His positioning is great and inside the box he can be accurate, but yeah, his accuracy is shit.
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Post by Albiceleste Tue 20 Sep 2011 - 17:50

Adit wrote:And for the record cristiano has 70 goals from 66 appearance for madrid.
did you wikipedia that? Laughing

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Post by Adit Tue 20 Sep 2011 - 17:50

jiopsi wrote:
Adit wrote:And for the record cristiano has 70 goals from 66 appearance for madrid.
He has 91 goals in 95 games for Madrid. Messi has scored now 99 in 100 games straight for Barcelona, and what is unbelievable he has done it much, much more impressive style, much less penalties, tap-ins or assisted goals.

CR7 is definitely one of the best goal scorers of his generation, but not the best.
i was talking about league for that 70 goals.

91 in 95 all games who comes close to his goal to game ratio? not even messi.

If he keep up this goal scoring ratio he definitely has the chance to become all time best goal scorer.



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Post by Albiceleste Tue 20 Sep 2011 - 17:51

Adit wrote:
91 in 95 all games who comes close to his goal to game ration? not even messi.
Didn't jiposi just say in the post you quoted that Messi got 99 in the past 100 games?

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Post by Harmonica Tue 20 Sep 2011 - 17:52

Adit wrote:
jiopsi wrote:
Adit wrote:And for the record cristiano has 70 goals from 66 appearance for madrid.
He has 91 goals in 95 games for Madrid. Messi has scored now 99 in 100 games straight for Barcelona, and what is unbelievable he has done it much, much more impressive style, much less penalties, tap-ins or assisted goals.

CR7 is definitely one of the best goal scorers of his generation, but not the best.
i was talking about league for that 70 goals.

91 in 95 all games who comes close to his goal to game ratio? not even messi.

If he keep up this goal scoring ratio he definitely has the chance to become all time best goal scorer.
Yeah, Messi also scored more in harder games, like in UCL and head to head against Madrid.

Not even Messi? Lol 99/100 > 91/95. Laughing

CR7 career Goal/Game ratio is 0.5, and Messi has 0.68 and it's getting better every year.


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Post by Adit Tue 20 Sep 2011 - 17:59

jiopsi wrote:
Adit wrote:
jiopsi wrote:
Adit wrote:And for the record cristiano has 70 goals from 66 appearance for madrid.
He has 91 goals in 95 games for Madrid. Messi has scored now 99 in 100 games straight for Barcelona, and what is unbelievable he has done it much, much more impressive style, much less penalties, tap-ins or assisted goals.

CR7 is definitely one of the best goal scorers of his generation, but not the best.
i was talking about league for that 70 goals.

91 in 95 all games who comes close to his goal to game ratio? not even messi.

If he keep up this goal scoring ratio he definitely has the chance to become all time best goal scorer.
Yeah, Messi also scored more in harder games, like in UCL and head to head against Madrid.

Not even Messi? Lol 99/100 > 91/95. Laughing

CR7 career Goal/Game ratio is 0.5 and Messi has 0.68 and it's getting better every year.
i was talking about respective goal ratio's for madrid and barcelona of course where ronaldo has 91 in 95 while messi has 195 in 298.Messi has been playing there since he was a child ,while ronaldo came from a different league and adapted pretty amazingly.
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