Is that so? and yet most of you don't realize Prandelli needs fullbacks TO PUSH FORWARD! He needs them to support and be able to go up and down the flank and frankly Maggio is much more better and suitable for that, as Abate on the other hand isn't. Maggio is great at defending by the way, refer back to Italy vs Slovenia when he was named man of the match and did the game saving tackle, that was one game, I can share more.

Camurrìa.Sto.Stronzo wrote:

Lord Spencer wrote:

Camurrìa.Sto.Stronzo wrote:

nichabr wrote:

Camurrìa.Sto.Stronzo wrote:

Grande_Milano wrote:Sciacca is that u?)) Why sciaccagod hates Abate btw ? Maggio cant play there for Italy all the time

No it's not Sciacca ffs, The poster above is me. What on earth does this topic have to do with Abate? He sucked, alright, good. He's not the best, plain and simple. I proved my point once again, Maggio is the best in Italy as in Italian and it's fact.

comon atleast give the guy credit....messi got pass him once the whole game....the best player in the world...the guy is doing great and you still cant give credit where its due...

I couldn't care less, this isn't the first time he screws up like this.

If a defender makes one mistake against the best team in the world, he is suddenly a shit defender. Even Nest got beaten once in this game.

Abate was a constant annoyance to their attacks. If Abate was terrible tonight, we would have lost by a large Margin. If one of the back four fails to perform, the whole team falls down.

Defenders get enough crap without people blasting them for one mistake, even when they were good the rest of the game. Weird that you like Italian players so much, and yet will not give the guy a break.

One mistake? One Mistake? ahahahahah Lord, please, I've already posted all his mistakes in the past, no need to reexplain, and I didn't base it only on this mistake, he's at fault, so God as some may like to call him, is false. Thank you very much.

'He was, however, outmuscled far too easily by Messi at Barcelona's first.'

I meant mistakes in this game. All defenders make mistakes.

If you cannot get over your bias, and call a spade a spade, then that is your problem. Abate played a good game today. Abate is a good RB. And because of his potential to improve, Milan does not need a RB as much as they needed on in the past.

I thought you guys were great 1 or 2 players away from CL

Camurrìa.Sto.Stronzo wrote:Is that so? and yet most of you don't realize Prandelli needs fullbacks TO PUSH FORWARD! He needs them to support and be able to go up and down the flank and frankly Maggio is much more better and suitable for that, as Abate on the other hand isn't. Maggio is great at defending by the way, refer back to Italy vs Slovenia when he was named man of the match and did the game saving tackle, that was one game, I can share more.

How was Maggio in the game against barcelona?

fb123 wrote:

Camurrìa.Sto.Stronzo wrote:Is that so? and yet most of you don't realize Prandelli needs fullbacks TO PUSH FORWARD! He needs them to support and be able to go up and down the flank and frankly Maggio is much more better and suitable for that, as Abate on the other hand isn't. Maggio is great at defending by the way, refer back to Italy vs Slovenia when he was named man of the match and did the game saving tackle, that was one game, I can share more.

How was Maggio in the game against barcelona?

Let me show you



Guess who crossed the ball, oh right Maggio.

Thanks for coming, come again

Camurrìa.Sto.Stronzo wrote:

fb123 wrote:

Camurrìa.Sto.Stronzo wrote:Is that so? and yet most of you don't realize Prandelli needs fullbacks TO PUSH FORWARD! He needs them to support and be able to go up and down the flank and frankly Maggio is much more better and suitable for that, as Abate on the other hand isn't. Maggio is great at defending by the way, refer back to Italy vs Slovenia when he was named man of the match and did the game saving tackle, that was one game, I can share more.

How was Maggio in the game against barcelona?

Let me show you


Guess who crossed the ball, oh right Maggio.

Thanks for coming, come again

Sure completely ignore Barcelona's goals

Maggio was responsible for at least one if not more

Everyone was responsible fool, they lost 5-0, get your head striaght. Christ, I might as well blame Maggio for loosing 5-0 and yet praise Abate for a game Milan actually tied LMAO

Sciacca you need to give credit where its due and if you are going to hate on Abate for his mistake then you must also praise his performance in the rest of the match. He was very good and up against the best team in the world.

On topic, Nesta was brilliant it was like watching him in his glory days, Milan defended almost perfectly as a unit.

All I got to compliment on was his performance vs Pedro which is no surprise because Pedro shouldn't even be on the Spainish National team, his performance was the same as almost everyone else's. Everyone worked hard, not only the almighty Abate.

Nesta is the true God !

checazzofai wrote:Sciacca you need to give credit where its due and if you are going to hate on Abate for his mistake then you must also praise his performance in the rest of the match. He was very good and up against the best team in the world.

On topic, Nesta was brilliant it was like watching him in his glory days, Milan defended almost perfectly as a unit.

I would agree with this statement. Nesta was going Jesus Christ Super Saiyan then abate made a mistake that blew everything, but it is like right after that he woke up and started playing better. Maggio blew chunks vs barca but we will see how he does against city for a fair comparison to abate.

zarola wrote:

checazzofai wrote:Sciacca you need to give credit where its due and if you are going to hate on Abate for his mistake then you must also praise his performance in the rest of the match. He was very good and up against the best team in the world.

On topic, Nesta was brilliant it was like watching him in his glory days, Milan defended almost perfectly as a unit.

I would agree with this statement. Nesta was going Jesus Christ Super Saiyan then abate made a mistake that blew everything, but it is like right after that he woke up and started playing better. Maggio blew chunks vs barca but we will see how he does against city for a fair comparison to abate.

Zarola, refer to my posts above

Camurrìa.Sto.Stronzo wrote:

Grande_Milano wrote:Sciacca is that u?)) Why sciaccagod hates Abate btw ? Maggio cant play there for Italy all the time

No it's not Sciacca ffs, The poster above is me. What on earth does this topic have to do with Abate? He sucked, alright, good. He's not the best, plain and simple. I proved my point once again, Maggio is the best in Italy as in Italian and it's fact.

Sciacca inventing fairytales once more.

Despite a mistake against the best player of our generation, Abate gave a defensive performance that no other Italian fullback could match at this moment in time.

If you wish to "prove your point" by highlighting a single mistake, then we'd all like answers as to how you can then proceed to praise Maggio whose performance was abysmal in contrast to that of Abate's.




Everyone was responsible for the loss? Yes, it's clearly the fault of the entire team that Maggio was made to look foolish by Adriano, that Maggio was jogging slowly back into the picture as Barcelona struck their third goal through a channel Maggio should have been covering in the box, however even when the goals kept flowing did we look at Maggio and write him off as a useless, talentless player? He has his strengths and is an admirable talent, however Abate is a superior defender and when Italy plays the best teams in the world, they need their best defence.

A standout individual performance that deserves criticism for his mistake, however that's not your style is it, to give a fair and reasonable response? Instead, because you're too stubborn to ever admit your mistake, you would prefer to lead a futile crusade to belittle Abate.

If Cassani or Maggio were playing for Milan today, Barcelona would have had a far easier game on their hands. This was Abate's first match against such opposition, an environment which we have always stressed - had you bothered to read our posts - would be a learning curve for Abate and he has a lot to take out of this match, and he will improve and excel for having this experience.

Jog it on, son.

Milan defended well as a unit.
I saw a few great moments from Abate but also that horrendous mistake which weighs more in my mind and on his I am sure it does too.
Personally, I find Abate to be one of the most average players on Milan, don't take that in a bad way it is just my opinion.

+1 Dostoevsky that was what i was trying to tell him

Luca wrote:Milan defended well as a unit.
I saw a few great moments from Abate but also that horrendous mistake which weighs more in my mind and on his I am sure it does too.
Personally, I find Abate to be one of the most average players on Milan, don't take that in a bad way it is just my opinion.

What kind of average players at Milan are Abate close to?

It's funny Dos, when you fail to realize that Milan defended with almost 9-11 players and yet Napoli not even close. Maggio was an RWB by the way, not RB, get your information straight before claiming it was Maggio's fault when on the flank he was meant to attack and defend, and not only defending, all Abate had to do was defending, and screwed up regardless. Having the support of Silva and Nesta and up top Nocerino made his job a hell of a lot better, who on earth did Maggio have to support him?

Eivindo wrote:

Luca wrote:Milan defended well as a unit.
I saw a few great moments from Abate but also that horrendous mistake which weighs more in my mind and on his I am sure it does too.
Personally, I find Abate to be one of the most average players on Milan, don't take that in a bad way it is just my opinion.

What kind of average players at Milan are Abate close to?

zambrotta??

Clearly not actually responding to the examples provided for you of Maggio failing in one-on-one duels. How precisely is his failure separate from the exact same criticism you're dishing out so liberally?

Screwed up regardless? Abate was under immense pressure, against a class of opposition he has never faced before, and made one error. Are the likes of Sagna, Ramos, Evra, Marcelo and more poor fullbacks because of errors against Barcelona, even when bodies were all around the box? With very little match practice heading into this game, Abate did a genuinely fantastic job and was well beaten by a marvellous player, full credit to Messi and experience for Abate, one he will learn from.

With standards such as yours, it's a wonder you still rate any of your back four.

halamadrid2 wrote:

Eivindo wrote:

Luca wrote:Milan defended well as a unit.
I saw a few great moments from Abate but also that horrendous mistake which weighs more in my mind and on his I am sure it does too.
Personally, I find Abate to be one of the most average players on Milan, don't take that in a bad way it is just my opinion.

What kind of average players at Milan are Abate close to?

zambrotta??

Check your PM box

Grande_Milano wrote:Do you see us as contenders? And how many midfielder we need?

I was spot on with my other thread 'Where's the midfield maestro for AC Milan?' I predicted the problem before the season started Milan is short of a creative CM and AM from being a top team again

Answer my question, who did Maggio have to support him?

I'll tell you this, Abate has both Nesta and Silva plus Nocerino up top surronding him and helping him, his performance was because of the support from others, Maggio had nobody, He actually had to attack, more than defend, as he is a winger. So pointless to tell me, that he failed one on one situations when in reality Abate was only asked to defend, hardly pushed forward and was in position, when Maggio instead had to go up and down the flank, with hardly any support. So your statements towards him failing 1 vs 1 is completely irrelavent to what Abate had.

Failing in 1v1s isn't concerning to you, when you're defending on the edge of the box and the failure directly leads to a simple, avoidable goal? If he can't handle his defensive responsibilities, how can you then claim that he's a superior fullback? If he's the better right back, then even when played in a higher role it shouldn't affect his ability to showcase his ability to defend when he is placed into positions he would naturally occupy when played deeper.

This is comparable to defending a striker's performance because he was isolated up top even though he missed two sitters when absolutely free. I'm not criticising Maggio generally for his performance, I am pointing out that he made several personal errors which should be looked at irrespective of the support he received. He showed nothing that would suggest he would have done better in Abate's position. From a standing start, Abate's acceleration wasn't quite enough to stop a rampaging Messi, what sort of chance do you think Maggio would have had?

Abate wasn't simply the beneficiary of the discipline of the midfielders and the strong performances of our centre-backs, he shouldered far more responsibility than any of the players ahead of him.

Once again failing to understand that his role is to do both, rather that Abate has to ONLY defend. Let me tell you something Dos, take for example Italy, please refer to me how bad of a Right back Maggio was against Spain(Seeing they are close to Barcelona's Style and World Champions), please explain to me how bad he was on one vs one situations, that's right, he was great. Now you tell me Maggio in a friendly vs Barcelona as a RWB not a RB, and tell me how good he was, He was great on the offensive part, defensively he struggled BECAUSE HE DID NOT HAVE THE RIGHT SUPPORT and it was just a god damn friendly. Abate had to defend, everyone did, HE HAD SUPPORT LEFT AND RIGHT, MILAN DEFENDED WITH 9-11 PLAYERS, get that through you're mind, while Napoli only relied on 3 CB's and a midfield who got dominated by Barca, what the hell do you expect from Maggio? A miracle? You want him to stop everything when the whole god damn squad failed? Please, if it wasn't for Nesta or Silva or even Nocerino to support his ass, Abate would of stunk like no tommorow, Maggio HAD NOBODY, NIENTE! Capito? You logic sense, it's not that hard to understand.

Cammuria, ce mia un tempo che sti Milanisti hanno un può di Intelligenza.

Eivindo wrote:

Luca wrote:Milan defended well as a unit.
I saw a few great moments from Abate but also that horrendous mistake which weighs more in my mind and on his I am sure it does too.
Personally, I find Abate to be one of the most average players on Milan, don't take that in a bad way it is just my opinion.

What kind of average players at Milan are Abate close to?

I'm more saying which top players is he close to?
He is not on the same planet as Silva, Nesta, Ibra, Cassano or Pato- off the top of my head.
Although, if I went solely by this forum I would have to put him at the front of this list, thankfully I am not easily swayed by 'appeal to popularity' claims.

Camurrìa.Sto.Stronzo wrote:Once again failing to understand that his role is to do both, rather that Abate has to ONLY defend. Let me tell you something Dos, take for example Italy, please refer to me how bad of a Right back Maggio was against Spain(Seeing they are close to Barcelona's Style and World Champions), please explain to me how bad he was on one vs one situations, that's right, he was great. Now you tell me Maggio in a friendly vs Barcelona as a RWB not a RB, and tell me how good he was, He was great on the offensive part, defensively he struggled BECAUSE HE DID NOT HAVE THE RIGHT SUPPORT and it was just a god damn friendly. Abate had to defend, everyone did, HE HAD SUPPORT LEFT AND RIGHT, MILAN DEFENDED WITH 9-11 PLAYERS, get that through you're mind, while Napoli only relied on 3 CB's and a midfield who got dominated by Barca, what the hell do you expect from Maggio? A miracle? You want him to stop everything when the whole god damn squad failed? Please, if it wasn't for Nesta or Silva or even Nocerino to support his ass, Abate would of stunk like no tommorow, Maggio HAD NOBODY, NIENTE! Capito? You logic sense, it's not that hard to understand.

Cammuria, ce mia un tempo che sti Milanisti hanno un può di Intelligenza.

I am not discussing his general play which includes pressuring and maintaining proper structure; videos have been posted which highlight personal errors in individual duels, an arena which does not call for support.

Since you think that bold, capitalised letters seem to help get an argument across better than a logical progression, I shall oblige:

IF MAGGIO IS BLOWN IN A ONE ON ONE SITUATION, AS POSTED, THEN HE HAS FAILED HIS DEFENSIVE DUTY DURING THAT PIECE OF PLAY. IT DOES NOT MAKE HIM A POOR FULLBACK. IT MAKES YOU A HYPOCRITE FOR PRAISING HIM WHILST CRITICISING ABATE FOR A SIMILAR MISTAKE AGAINST A BETTER INDIVIDUAL FROM THE EXACT SAME TEAM.

I'm curious as to where this 'proof' is that if left alone, Abate would have been overrun? Blanket statement made with no support, other than personal prejudice.

Also don't even try to compare that Spain side to Barcelona. Instead of Messi, Xavi, David Villa, Pedro and Abidal - for the majority of the match - Italy played a side composed of an out of form Torres, Javi Martinez, Santi Cazorla and Arbeloa. Strong players, but hardly capable of making the same impact.

Dos, It seems you missed the game for Napoli, GUESS WHO WAS THE BEST PLAYER OUT THERE ! (In Defense, MAGGIO!)

Alright, Maggio had the better game vs Abate.

Guess who assited the goal for Cavani, MAGGIO!

Go ask your buddy Grande_Milano, he admitted to everything.

Against Manchester City? Haven't watched it yet, I've just seen the goals, I recorded it though, looking forward to it and glad to hear that an Italian did well.

Angry at Kolarov.