Re: India can be the best team in the world, and produce the best players, if football was as famous as cricket.

by Eivindo Tue Aug 09, 2011 3:21 pm

if you fancy cricket over football, there is no hope and you suck/end of thread.

by S Tue Aug 09, 2011 3:28 pm

free_cat wrote:Not now, because India is not enough rich yet, and doesn't have the required facilities, health and nutrition required to produce the very best athletes.

what ?? Mate you are absolutely clueless as to what you're talking about..

by kiranr Tue Aug 09, 2011 3:30 pm

Eivindo wrote:if you fancy cricket over football, there is no hope and you suck/end of thread.

Why was this neg repped? This is absolutely true!

by kiranr Tue Aug 09, 2011 3:32 pm

Surag.Blueguy wrote:
free_cat wrote:Not now, because India is not enough rich yet, and doesn't have the required facilities, health and nutrition required to produce the very best athletes.

what ?? Mate you are absolutely clueless as to what you're talking about..

We are not rich dude. Just compare the per capita GDP numbers among nations...

Per capita means per person. We are way behind on those metrics and they are the correct metrics...

by Eivindo Tue Aug 09, 2011 3:35 pm

kiranr wrote:
Eivindo wrote:if you fancy cricket over football, there is no hope and you suck/end of thread.

Why was this neg repped? This is absolutely true!

India can be the best team in the world, and produce the best players, if football was as famous as cricket. - Page 3 Haters-gonna-hate-cigar-and-beer

by S Tue Aug 09, 2011 3:44 pm

kiranr wrote:
Surag.Blueguy wrote:
free_cat wrote:Not now, because India is not enough rich yet, and doesn't have the required facilities, health and nutrition required to produce the very best athletes.

what ?? Mate you are absolutely clueless as to what you're talking about..

We are not rich dude. Just compare the per capita GDP numbers among nations...

Per capita means per person. We are way behind on those metrics and they are the correct metrics...

lol.from where did per capita incomes arise..

He's obviously referring to football not being a popular sport in the country and he thinks we dont posess the required facilities and finances to develop the sport and harness talent in the country..
India can be the best team in the world, and produce the best players, if football was as famous as cricket. - Page 3 16k3pzb

India can be the best team in the world, and produce the best players, if football was as famous as cricket. - Page 3 16k3pzb

Now you and i know why the sport has stagnated in our nation..

IF India couldnt provide proper facilities ,health and nutrition etc then how is that we have produced so many brilliant cricketers and how is the cricket board milking in ludicrous amounts of money..

How is that we've produced one of the finest badminton players ??And what has "being rich" got to do with this..LMAO..
India have financially healthy sports governing bodies but there is lack of implementation and a lack of intent and add corruption to our sporting woes too..

Agreed that we're a bit shot on fitness,but that doesnt mean we cant be competitive enough..thats absolute nonsense..

simple..its the popularity and ultimately the perfomance of the team in wc 1983 that it gave an impetus to become the no.1 sport in teh country..From there on cricket has been on an upward spiral..

per capita has got nothing to do with this..

And his silly reason of india do well at cricket because very few nations participate is laughable at best..

Kiran i recommend you read free-cats whole post and then reply back to me.. Very Happy

by kiranr Tue Aug 09, 2011 4:13 pm

Surag.Blueguy wrote:
kiranr wrote:
Surag.Blueguy wrote:
free_cat wrote:Not now, because India is not enough rich yet, and doesn't have the required facilities, health and nutrition required to produce the very best athletes.

what ?? Mate you are absolutely clueless as to what you're talking about..

We are not rich dude. Just compare the per capita GDP numbers among nations...

Per capita means per person. We are way behind on those metrics and they are the correct metrics...

lol.from where did per capita incomes arise..

He's obviously referring to football not being a popular sport in the country and he thinks we dont posess the required facilities and finances to develop the sport and harness talent in the country..

Now you and i know why the sport has stagnated in our nation..

IF India couldnt provide proper facilities ,health and nutrition etc then how is that we have produced so many brilliant cricketers and how has the BCCI generated so much income?simple..its the popularity and ultimately the perfomance of the team in wc 1983 that it gave an impetus to become the no.1 sport in teh country..From there on cricket has been on an upward spiral..

per capita has got nothing to do with this..

And his silly reason of india do well at cricket because very few nations participate is laughable at best..

Yeah i agree that is not a valid point. But i do believe that it is much easier to provide the facilities for cricket than football.

We definitely have the means to provide organised coaching for football at a national level, but there is just no intent as it requires much more work than cricket.

If people here were as rich as the developed nations, we could take care of health and nutrition ourselves and also provide better facilities in general. Atleast towards becoming superior athletes. The fact that people here are relatively poor is also holding us back!

by S Tue Aug 09, 2011 4:25 pm

kiranr wrote:If people here were as rich as the developed nations, we could take care of health and nutrition ourselves and also provide better facilities in general. Atleast towards becoming superior athletes. The fact that people here are relatively poor is also holding us back!

I do not agree entirely with this..

Leave aside health and nutrition for the moment..I hate the whole bloody perception about india's lack of sanitary facilities and being a poor nation as the per capita income suggests that BECAUSE thats not entirely true and you know that..

Talking about superior atheletes ,We have generated more superior atheletes and can also in the future from the 'RURAL AREAS' than the urbanized ones..

Cmon man..Talking from a sporting perspective i've seen many indians from the backward areas who are naturally fit..
People from orissa come to mind..

And i believe there are many hidden jewels that we've not discovered yet..India is a big country..

But as you said its the lack of intent and implementation from corrupt sporting bodies that is making us such an incompetent nation in sport..And the fact is they are financially healthy too..

by kiranr Tue Aug 09, 2011 4:31 pm

Surag.Blueguy wrote:
kiranr wrote:If people here were as rich as the developed nations, we could take care of health and nutrition ourselves and also provide better facilities in general. Atleast towards becoming superior athletes. The fact that people here are relatively poor is also holding us back!

I do not agree entirely with this..

Leave aside health and nutrition for the moment..I hate the whole bloody perception about india's lack of sanitary facilities and being a poor nation as the per capita income suggests that BECAUSE thats not entirely true and you know that..

Talking about superior atheletes ,We have generated more superior atheletes and can also in the future in the 'RURAL AREAS' than the urbanized ones..

Cmon man..Talking from a sporting perspective i've seen many indians from the backward areas who are naturally fit..
People from orissa come to mind..

But as you said its the lack of intent and implementation from corrupt sporting bodies that is making us such an incompetent nation in sport..And the fact is they are financially healthy too..

I agree with that. Some of our athletes in the olympics too have performed well purely due to their self desire.

But why do you think parents force their children to pay attention to academics rather than sports? Dont you think the citizens of our country will focus more on sports if we are richer than we are right now?

by S Tue Aug 09, 2011 4:41 pm

kiranr wrote:
Surag.Blueguy wrote:
kiranr wrote:If people here were as rich as the developed nations, we could take care of health and nutrition ourselves and also provide better facilities in general. Atleast towards becoming superior athletes. The fact that people here are relatively poor is also holding us back!

I do not agree entirely with this..

Leave aside health and nutrition for the moment..I hate the whole bloody perception about india's lack of sanitary facilities and being a poor nation as the per capita income suggests that BECAUSE thats not entirely true and you know that..

Talking about superior atheletes ,We have generated more superior atheletes and can also in the future in the 'RURAL AREAS' than the urbanized ones..

Cmon man..Talking from a sporting perspective i've seen many indians from the backward areas who are naturally fit..
People from orissa come to mind..

But as you said its the lack of intent and implementation from corrupt sporting bodies that is making us such an incompetent nation in sport..And the fact is they are financially healthy too..

I agree with that. Some of our athletes in the olympics too have performed well purely due to their self desire.

But why do you think parents force their children to pay attention to academics rather than sports? Dont you think the citizens of our country will focus more on sports if we are richer than we are right now?

Kiran the reason why parents force us to focus on academics rather than sports coz there is a general consensus in india that a career in sports is considered a risk and they would rather see their children becoming an engineer or a doctor and earn a decent income..

And being rich has absolutely got no bearing on this at all..Although there are exceptions in this case..

It all could change you know with entities like IPL since its brand name is growing by the day and the lucrative contracts that are on offer that parents might actually consider seeing their kids to take up a career in sports..Just gave an instance of a person's(indian's) aspiration to have a professional career in sports..

But i only hope that other sports follow suit coz finances isnt an issue..

But this wont materialize anytime soon..

And some users should rather refrain from making absurd statements on matter they are not aware of.. Very Happy

by kiranr Tue Aug 09, 2011 5:00 pm

Richer society/people leads to sponsorships leads to decent income in choice of sport. The best part is that this can happen without losing focus on academics while in schools and colleges.

We will just have to agree to disagree on this point.

There is a small movement growing in our country now asking the government to include a sports category to give admission to kids who are good at them. This is a positive step and i only hope it grows.

by S Tue Aug 09, 2011 5:10 pm

Your point is just a hypothesis..

But still with the current situation we can produce talented prospects especially in football if there would be a fair bit of cash injection and a competent board imo..

And here i reiterate finances is not an issue..

You sure have made some excellent points but i was just opposed to free_cats comment which was absolutely ignorant and it ultimately made us go bit away from the topic..

by BeautifulGame Tue Aug 09, 2011 5:10 pm

kiranr wrote:Richer society/people leads to sponsorships leads to decent income in choice of sport. The best part is that this can happen without losing focus on academics while in schools and colleges.

Nope ur logic is fundementally wrong.Rich society dont lead to sponsorships its popularity of the sport that attracts sponsorships.Otherwise US would have best football team in the world.

As long as most of India is cricket crazy there wont be any lucrative sponsorships for football in India regardless how rich we become.

by kiranr Tue Aug 09, 2011 5:17 pm

BeautifulGame wrote:
kiranr wrote:Richer society/people leads to sponsorships leads to decent income in choice of sport. The best part is that this can happen without losing focus on academics while in schools and colleges.

Nope ur logic is fundementally wrong.Rich society dont lead to sponsorships its popularity of the sport that attracts sponsorships.Otherwise US would have best football team in the world.

As long as most of India is cricket crazy there wont be any lucrative sponsorships for football in India regardless how rich we become.

I agree with that, especially related to team sports.

But I was talking in general and mostly thinking about individual sports.

by S Tue Aug 09, 2011 5:21 pm

The sport will get popular only by perfomances on the pitch..that is what counts at the end of the day..

Thats how cricket became popular..

And for that to happen the board should provide adeqaute facilities,a proper infrastructure is needed especially a proper proffesional structured league..

by kiranr Tue Aug 09, 2011 5:28 pm

Did you guys know that Rossell and team form Barcelona are actively considering opening up training schools here? Of course it is contingent on marketing opportunities too.

by Lord Hades Wed Aug 10, 2011 1:11 am

Surag.Blueguy wrote:
kiranr wrote:If people here were as rich as the developed nations, we could take care of health and nutrition ourselves and also provide better facilities in general. Atleast towards becoming superior athletes. The fact that people here are relatively poor is also holding us back!

I do not agree entirely with this..

Leave aside health and nutrition for the moment..I hate the whole bloody perception about india's lack of sanitary facilities and being a poor nation as the per capita income suggests that BECAUSE thats not entirely true and you know that..

Talking about superior atheletes ,We have generated more superior atheletes and can also in the future from the 'RURAL AREAS' than the urbanized ones..

Cmon man..Talking from a sporting perspective i've seen many indians from the backward areas who are naturally fit..
People from orissa come to mind..

And i believe there are many hidden jewels that we've not discovered yet..India is a big country..

But as you said its the lack of intent and implementation from corrupt sporting bodies that is making us such an incompetent nation in sport..And the fact is they are financially healthy too..

i am oriya Laughing

we dont produce top athletes because we dont have money , health nutrition etc.. you just have to see the values of the ipl teams and the money with the bcci.. that is the crux of the problem.. i didnt want india to win the wc because of this reason..more money would be diverted to cricket.. this money could easily be given to the other sporting bodies.. they are cash strapped and there is no infrastructure anywhere

having said that at least football will have a bright future.. maybe not immediately but in another 10 years or so you could see a big difference..because money is going to be put into it.. theres an ipl style football league to replace the i- league i think.. and plus those indian billionaires could donate for the future of football.. also the youth foreign coaches working at grass -roots level.. eg bayern munich academy started recently will certainly spur more youngsters to join to game

as for rural and urban areas , mosto f the top athletes are from, rural areas.. pt usha eg.. they wont get all the facilities and high per capita income thats why they are more motivated to pursue the game,, the problem is our large middle class.. they are so ambitious that they think academics is the only way.. iit, medical etc.. football is just a distraction.. its this attitude that has to change

by BeautifulGame Wed Aug 10, 2011 1:36 am

diptiman wrote:i didnt want india to win the wc because of this reason..more money would be diverted to cricket.. this money could easily be given to the other sporting bodies.. they are cash strapped and there is no infrastructure anywhere

No one is donating or diverting money to BCCI they generate their own money.If other boards are struggling for funds its due to their incompetence.We are the 2nd largest populous country and 2nd fastest growing economy.We have more than enough resources to accomodate other sports too apart from Cricket and generate funds.But unfortunately they are incapable of utilizing it unlike BCCI.

by El Chelsea Fuerte Wed Aug 10, 2011 2:27 am

Corruption will always be a barrier. :coffee:

by S Wed Aug 10, 2011 10:10 am

diptiman wrote:i am oriya

we dont produce top athletes because we dont have money , health nutrition etc.. you just have to see the values of the ipl teams and the money with the bcci.. that is the crux of the problem.. i didnt want india to win the wc because of this reason..more money would be diverted to cricket.. this money could easily be given to the other sporting bodies.. they are cash strapped and there is no infrastructure anywhere

Dipti i think you dint read my entire post properly..

When discussing with kiran regarding fitness,i meant to say a substantial group of indians who aspire for a career in sports are naturally fit..And i just gave orissa as an instance..

Are you aware of the fact that an U-14 team from orissa won the rugby world cup(u 14)..

here is the report..
http://www.kiit.ac.in/rugbywin.htm

And trust me i had been to orissa recently (specificaly bhubhaneshwar) for around two weeks and it one hell of an undeveloped state and they also have an incompetent minister in charge was sitting confortably and watching people getting lathi charged during the famed "RATHA YATRA".. Laughing

And i am not talking about orissa producing top atheletes but india producing talent as a whole and that is not an issue..

diptiman wrote:as for rural and urban areas , mosto f the top athletes are from, rural areas.. pt usha eg.. they wont get all the facilities and high per capita income thats why they are more motivated to pursue the game,, the problem is our large middle class.. they are so ambitious that they think academics is the only way.. iit, medical etc.. football is just a distraction.. its this attitude that has to change

That is not entirely true dipti..

Vijender Singh is from the rural area and it ultimately his "perfomance" in the olympics ,that he has earned that reputation and fame..
And facilities has got nothing to do with this..Go ask vijender singh what kind of facilities he was provided with in bhiwani.. Laughing

India in terms of sports has always been perfomance oriented and reward incentives accordingly..

And this trend could change if we banish the stereotypes and the government actually gives more importance to sports..

Lets be honest we are not really a sporting nation in general and Finances is not an issue..

by Lord Hades Wed Aug 10, 2011 10:26 am

BeautifulGame wrote:
diptiman wrote:i didnt want india to win the wc because of this reason..more money would be diverted to cricket.. this money could easily be given to the other sporting bodies.. they are cash strapped and there is no infrastructure anywhere

No one is donating or diverting money to BCCI they generate their own money.If other boards are struggling for funds its due to their incompetence.We are the 2nd largest populous country and 2nd fastest growing economy.We have more than enough resources to accomodate other sports too apart from Cricket and generate funds.But unfortunately they are incapable of utilizing it unlike BCCI.

due why do bcci generate their own money.. because of the attitude of the people towards cricket.. they loove it.. and since we won the wc it is even more popular..ipl too was on of the reasons.. so bcci will b more powerful as a result.. in contrast who cares about the other sports eh? and since its the people who generate the money , if there are not enough viewers there wont be much money and lead to demotivation and failure

and of course corruption Sad

by Lord Hades Wed Aug 10, 2011 10:30 am

Surag.Blueguy wrote:
diptiman wrote:i am oriya

we dont produce top athletes because we dont have money , health nutrition etc.. you just have to see the values of the ipl teams and the money with the bcci.. that is the crux of the problem.. i didnt want india to win the wc because of this reason..more money would be diverted to cricket.. this money could easily be given to the other sporting bodies.. they are cash strapped and there is no infrastructure anywhere

Dipti i think you dint read my entire post properly..

When discussing with kiran regarding fitness,i meant to say a substantial group of indians who aspire for a career in sports are naturally fit..And i just gave orissa as an instance..

Are you aware of the fact that an U-14 team from orissa won the rugby world cup(u 14)..

here is the report..
http://www.kiit.ac.in/rugbywin.htm

And trust me i had been to orissa recently (specificaly bhubhaneshwar) for around two weeks and it one hell of an undeveloped state and they also have an incompetent minister in charge was sitting confortably and watching people getting lathi charged during the famed "RATHA YATRA"..

And i am not talking about orissa producing top atheletes but india producing talent as a whole and that is not an issue..

diptiman wrote:as for rural and urban areas , mosto f the top athletes are from, rural areas.. pt usha eg.. they wont get all the facilities and high per capita income thats why they are more motivated to pursue the game,, the problem is our large middle class.. they are so ambitious that they think academics is the only way.. iit, medical etc.. football is just a distraction.. its this attitude that has to change

That is not entirely true dipti..

Vijender Singh is from the rural area and it ultimately his "perfomance" in the olympics ,that he has earned that reputation and fame..
And facilities has got nothing to do with this..Go ask vijender singh what kind of facilities he was provided with in bhiwani..

India in terms of sports has always been perfomance oriented and reward incentives accordingly..

And this trend could change if we banish the stereotypes and the government actually gives more importance to sports..

Lets be honest we are not really a sporting nation in general and Finances is not an issue..

you misunderstood my point.. vijender singh is precisely the example i wouldve used.. rural area not much family income.. not much facilities and they will be encouraged to pursue sports because of the 'nothing to lose' scenario.. and compare this if vijender singh was a middle class son off a government worker or something .. his parents expect him to study iit or a doctor or something.. would he able to pursue tennis that way? no

and about orissa yeah iknow its a state in turmoil. iwas just sayinf that i am oriya and a terrific athlete too Twisted Evil

by S Wed Aug 10, 2011 10:32 am

BeautifulGame wrote:
diptiman wrote:i didnt want india to win the wc because of this reason..more money would be diverted to cricket.. this money could easily be given to the other sporting bodies.. they are cash strapped and there is no infrastructure anywhere

No one is donating or diverting money to BCCI they generate their own money.If other boards are struggling for funds its due to their incompetence.We are the 2nd largest populous country and 2nd fastest growing economy.We have more than enough resources to accomodate other sports too apart from Cricket and generate funds.But unfortunately they are incapable of utilizing it unlike BCCI.

Yes i agree..Exactly what i was talking about..finances was never an issue..Its due to the largescale corruption due to the many politicians at the helm in sporting affairs..
and the ever-growing incompetence of the other sporting bodies..

by S Wed Aug 10, 2011 10:42 am

diptiman wrote:you misunderstood my point.. vijender singh is precisely the example i wouldve used.. rural area not much family income.. not much facilities and they will be encouraged to pursue sports because of the 'nothing to lose' scenario.. and compare this if vijender singh was a middle class son off a government worker or something .. his parents expect him to study iit or a doctor or something.. would he able to pursue tennis that way? no

As i said..the trend's gotta change if government actually holds sports in high regard and give more importance to it..
This might make son/daughter of a middle class family actually pursue a career in sports because the interest and enthusiasm will always be there no matter what..

And i reiterate once again finances is not an issue..

This whole debate cropped up when free_cat who knows nothing about india i assume stated that india is 'not rich' and cant provide adequate facilities..

That is totally false..

by Wilson37 Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:48 am

Yes cricket is hurdle for football growth.. But a small change has started..

by BeautifulGame Wed Aug 10, 2011 12:21 pm

diptiman wrote:
due why do bcci generate their own money.. because of the attitude of the people towards cricket.. they loove it.. and since we won the wc it is even more popular..ipl too was on of the reasons.. so bcci will b more powerful as a result.. in contrast who cares about the other sports eh? and since its the people who generate the money , if there are not enough viewers there wont be much money and lead to demotivation and failure

and of course corruption

Even when Hockey was the most popular sport in the country in 70's and we were debt ridden as a country Cricket still had good domestic structure in place with Ranji trophy and produced quality players.So why cant football or Hockey cant do the same now that too with far better resources? If there is no one interested in any other sport apart from cricket then how does India generate 50% of revenue for world hockey and PL and CL TV rights are sold for excellent prices?

Yes compared with Cricket the interest in other sports is negligible but they have more than enough resources in both money and interest level among people to produce decent players and teams.I am not saying they should produce world class teams but they havent even put half decent infrastructure in place.

The truth the only competent sport body in India is BCCI they maybe corrupt but at the same time have done a lot to develop cricket in the country.If the other Boards have shown even 1% of their competence we would have decent football and Hockey teams.What has these boards ever done to popularise the football and Hockey in the country apart from blaming cricket.

Its always blamed as cricket's popularity as fault for the state of football and hockey in the country but the truth these are excuses to hide the incompetence of these boards.

Aslong as we have these incompetent hockey and football boards we will never have quality teams regardless of how popular cricket is.Cricket is just an excuse not the real reason for the state of other sports in India.

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