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Post by Harmonica Sat Feb 05, 2022 3:03 pm

futbol_bill wrote:
Harmonica wrote:
FennecFox7 wrote:Ronaldo is finished unless he adapts his game again. He’s as stiff as cardboard out there. Really painful to watch
He's been gringe few years now, I don't know why teams still allow him on the field anymore. Oh and I observed yet another important penaldo missed.


Focus on the criticism of the ‘enemy’ and ignore the actual play of your ‘hero’.

Fact is neither are close to what they used to be!
Messi is fine, recovering from career threatening injury and covid.

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Post by rincon Sat Feb 05, 2022 4:23 pm

Firenze wrote:Top 4 predictions now the transfer window is wrapped?


City
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Chelsea
United

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Post by Casciavit Tue Feb 08, 2022 9:59 pm

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Post by Nishankly Tue Feb 08, 2022 10:33 pm

Surprised with Chelsea not controlling every single square with that system.
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Post by El Gunner Wed Feb 09, 2022 7:27 am

are those graphics for both offensive and defensive side of the ball?
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Post by Hapless_Hans Wed Feb 09, 2022 11:50 am

Casciavit wrote:2021/2022 Premier League Discussion - Page 13 Grycb8sv7lg81


So do I get that right, "possession" in a zone is equalled in this anaylsis to "having more touches" in that zone?

Because these are not really the same thing are they. Possession is measured by the amount of time your team has the ball, not how many touches you have?
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Post by farfan Wed Feb 09, 2022 1:29 pm

Caught the Newcastle game yesterday to watch Bruno's debut and was shocked at how devastating ASM was. Is he always this good for them? I recall him as nothing more than a headless chicken constantly running into traffic.
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Post by Hapless_Hans Wed Feb 09, 2022 2:00 pm

farfan wrote:Caught the Newcastle game yesterday to watch Bruno's debut and was shocked at how devastating ASM was. Is he always this good for them? I recall him as nothing more than a headless chicken constantly running into traffic.


I can't say for sure as I never watch them but I think it's safe to say that if he were always as good for them he would be somewhere else by now

I assume he's sometimes unplayable and then sometimes a headless chicken again
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Post by El Gunner Wed Feb 09, 2022 3:39 pm

can confirm what Hans said, although he has been a bit more consistent this season imo
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Post by Nishankly Wed Feb 09, 2022 6:13 pm

He is what Adama should have become in the past 4 years
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Post by Casciavit Wed Feb 09, 2022 7:35 pm

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Casciavit wrote:2021/2022 Premier League Discussion - Page 13 Grycb8sv7lg81


So do I get that right, "possession" in a zone is equalled in this anaylsis to "having more touches" in that zone?

Because these are not really the same thing are they. Possession is measured by the amount of time your team has the ball, not how many touches you have?


The author didn't really detail how he calculated it.

I know that Opta calculates possession differently. They look at the total passes made in a match, then divide it by a team's amount of passes to get each team's possession count. So if 1000 passes were played, and one team passed the ball 700 times the possession count would be 70%-30%.

So if he was using Opta's metrics to calculate this, I'm assuming he just calculated the number of passes completed in a specific zone and referred to it as touches.

That being said I'm just guessing, I'm not really sure. I think the general trends of it are interesting though. You can see NUFC's reliance on ASM. Laughing

City and Burnley are like two complete opposites. Arsenal lack central occupation since their two pivots and attacking midfielders play closer to the sides etc.
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Post by Hapless_Hans Wed Feb 09, 2022 10:03 pm

Casciavit wrote:
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Casciavit wrote:2021/2022 Premier League Discussion - Page 13 Grycb8sv7lg81


So do I get that right, "possession" in a zone is equalled in this anaylsis to "having more touches" in that zone?

Because these are not really the same thing are they. Possession is measured by the amount of time your team has the ball, not how many touches you have?


The author didn't really detail how he calculated it.

I know that Opta calculates possession differently. They look at the total passes made in a match, then divide it by a team's amount of passes to get each team's possession count. So if 1000 passes were played, and one team passed the ball 700 times the possession count would be 70%-30%.

So if he was using Opta's metrics to calculate this, I'm assuming he just calculated the number of passes completed in a specific zone and referred to it as touches.

That being said I'm just guessing, I'm not really sure. I think the general trends of it are interesting though. You can see NUFC's reliance on ASM. Laughing

City and Burnley are like two complete opposites. Arsenal lack central occupation since their two pivots and attacking midfielders play closer to the sides etc.

Was not to complain about the graphs, just asking fro comprehension

the bolded Laughing Laughing

And Burnley Laughing
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Thu Feb 10, 2022 1:03 am

Spurs today Laughing

Conte quits when?
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Thu Feb 10, 2022 2:00 pm

farfan wrote:Caught the Newcastle game yesterday to watch Bruno's debut and was shocked at how devastating ASM was. Is he always this good for them? I recall him as nothing more than a headless chicken constantly running into traffic.


In fairness to him, you see that team before the signings? I'd struggle to think of someone who wouldn't look like a headless chicken.

I haven't seen a game but i don't need to know that team was trash (still is to a certain extent)
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Post by Sina Thu Feb 10, 2022 3:07 pm



Less than 70 pts may still be enough this season
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Post by Sina Thu Feb 10, 2022 3:21 pm

farfan wrote:Caught the Newcastle game yesterday to watch Bruno's debut and was shocked at how devastating ASM was. Is he always this good for them? I recall him as nothing more than a headless chicken constantly running into traffic.


He still takes risk so often therefore gives the ball away here and there but can still be game changer and decide the game on his own
Even when he is having poor game he may suddenly come to life and make decisive contribution like that Watford game couple of weeks ago

I wouldn't call him inconsistent,it's just his high risk high reward style

Love when he uses his acceleration when dribbling sideways to create shooting opportunity

His numbers (clearly assists) would be a lot better if he played alongside better players

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Post by Myesyats Sat Feb 12, 2022 1:47 pm

I knew Man Utd - Soton is a safe btts bet Very Happy
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Post by Firenze Sat Feb 12, 2022 2:00 pm

we are so, so shit lol, this february run until atletico was crucial to get max points, but

Middlesborough (L) Burnley (D) and looking like we'll drop points to soton too

good lord
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Post by Sina Sat Feb 12, 2022 2:38 pm

Sina wrote:Paper over the cracks,sooner or later this luck runs out

Yep Yep :coffee:
It was such a competitive game could have gone either
Broja against maguire was such a funny match up lol
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Post by El Gunner Sat Feb 12, 2022 2:53 pm

Che Adams was lighting them up too. They really should have won that they looked the more threatening team even if it was an open game. Every weekend i am stunned by how shit United are, Arteta actually has a chance wallahi
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Post by Kaladin Sat Feb 12, 2022 3:13 pm

Firenze wrote:we are so, so shit lol, this february run until atletico was crucial to get max points, but

Middlesborough (L) Burnley (D) and looking like we'll drop points to soton too

good lord


Thing is, Atleti has one of the worst defensive records in La Liga and are absolutely an abysmal side this season. We ruined them with Junior Messias ffs.

Would be unreal if this United side get into the quarters.
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Post by FennecFox7 Sat Feb 12, 2022 10:27 pm

It hurts so bad, but Ronaldo is finished, he needs to retire. It’s over for him.
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Post by Arquitecto Sun Feb 13, 2022 1:54 am

FennecFox7 wrote:It hurts so bad, but Ronaldo is finished, he needs to retire. It’s over for him.


A bit much there Z Laughing but truth is CR has shown overt signs of being finished for 2 years now. Beginning with the end of his second year at Juve, to definitely last season to quite obvious this one despite his hot early season.

He overall played best actually under Allegri showing an overlooked creative side but the last gasps of him were not to long ago. If he isnt adding goals he quite literally adds nothing to the team and has poorly adapted to his dramatic loss of pace and close control.


It is sad but not as much when you consider his age.
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Post by Nishankly Mon Feb 14, 2022 11:10 pm

Molecastle with their first trip with Trippier out for a while? #wordplay
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Tue Feb 15, 2022 3:37 am

I saw that hmm
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Post by Arquitecto Tue Feb 15, 2022 1:32 pm

Man we need a new Molecastle.

I used to assume Mole was simply in the hiding of his love for NUFC just to spring out when they aren't shit just to avoid the GL roast but he's become a total passive shithouse of a fan ffs Laughing

Here's hoping some uneducated lout of a Sheikh can buy them so we can see the fire lit in him or a new breed.
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