Myesyats wrote:

Nishankly wrote:

Babun wrote:Halle Bailey casted as ariel, the little mermaid for disney's next live action show which caused a racial shitstorm in the www:
https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/pop-culture-news/disney-s-freeform-responds-critics-halle-bailey-casting-ariel-n1027456

What's your opinion about the topic?

Jesus was dark brown skinned.

Jesus isnt real but if he was, I wouldnt say he was dark skinned. Passages from the bible say he was "dark as an olive" but their olives weren't really dark, quite light rather. So light brown is what I'd tilt towards.

Besides, he was a "middle-eastern Jew" and they can be pretty white, such as this 100% middle-eastern jew girl:

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In  fact, it is widely known that Jews consider themselves white even though they have an olive complexion.

Art Morte wrote:Over 80 people dead in clashes in Ethiopia between the largest minority group and government forces / pro-government people. Obviously no BLM people care about it since it happens in Africa and is black-on-black violence.

Side note: Checked out Ethiopia's wikipedia and their population has risen from 38m in 1983 to 110m in 2018... Fuck me, no wonder that prosperity cannot keep up with that kind of reproduction rate.

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CBarca wrote:I'm not sure why white people should give a shit anyway?

Hollywood isn't about to stop casting straight white people, who still make up the vast, vast majority of roles in Hollywood. There is plenty of opportunity to go around. How about we, you know, share it with the people that have either intentionally or unintentionally been shat on for a good portion of their entire existence.

Nishankly wrote:

Babun wrote:Halle Bailey casted as ariel, the little mermaid for disney's next live action show which caused a racial shitstorm in the www:
https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/pop-culture-news/disney-s-freeform-responds-critics-halle-bailey-casting-ariel-n1027456

What's your opinion about the topic?

Jesus was dark brown skinned.

El Gunner wrote:

Blue wrote:I personally find the consistent remakes of original movies/shows/cartoons with different races quite stupid. Just create new characters and story, find the whole phenomenon cheap, lazy, and uncreative.

Can't change the past and unwise to rewrite history, work on the present and future.

Also the whole thing about a minority should play a minority is quite nonsense. It is called acting for a reason, if a the actor playing have to have the lived experience than is there any acting going on?

i think it more has to do with big studio movies who have the funds to afford any actor, so why not just approach a minority actor for a minority role then?

if it's smaller movies no one cares about, then it shouldn't be much of a problem,

CBarca wrote:We've lived in a culture that has now long kept gays, lesbians, transgender people, Black Americans, Native Americans etc out of roles they would have been perfect for. We gave those roles to white/straight/binary people instead.

With society progressing, especially socially, shouldn't we try and fix this inequality? Isn't it a good idea to be like: holy fuck, there are a lot of gay actors out there: let's give the role to someone who is actually gay.

I think that's valiant. We should open up space for queer and BIPOC to make waves in the entertainment industry and beyond. And I say that as someone who has no problem with Chalamet/Hammer in CMBYN, or Portman/Kunis in Black Swan, Ledger/Gyllenhaal in Brokeback Mountain. It doesn't personally "offend" me at all..

McLewis wrote:I think there is a significant underestimation of under-representation in the arts. White men have dominated it, as they have with everything else in the West, for centuries. Even roles written for women and POC were played by white men at some points in history. With women and POC gaining ground in equality, is it really all that strange for them to want to see themselves represented in the arts they support, even in roles normally played by men or white men? I really don't think so.

I have a biracial daughter, for example. While she likes the original Ghostbusters movies, the new gender-swapped one really piqued her interest in a way the others couldn't. There was something about seeing women in those roles that just clicked with her. She never said it, but it was clear to me given we watched all 3 movies in a single sitting, that last one resonated with her quite a bit. The movie itself wasn't great, but she enjoyed it as much if not more than the originals. I'm always going to be good with that.

Like a few of you have expressed, I wish this wasn't a thing, but powerful white men made it a thing by oppressing both women and POC of color for centuries and denying them the right to perform the same roles. It didn't have to be this way, but the discomfort with gender-swapped or color-swapped roles (especially of fictional characters) is not something I have much concern or sympathy for. This is the new normal and I support it.

BarrileteCosmico wrote: I will say people should be consistent though, if you don't care that the little mermaid (inspired by a scandinavian folk story iirc) is black then you should also not care when a white character is cast in a typically black/minority role.

Art Morte wrote:

McLewis wrote:I think there is a significant underestimation of under-representation in the arts. White men have dominated it, as they have with everything else in the West, for centuries. Even roles written for women and POC were played by white men at some points in history. With women and POC gaining ground in equality, is it really all that strange for them to want to see themselves represented in the arts they support, even in roles normally played by men or white men? I really don't think so.

I have a biracial daughter, for example. While she likes the original Ghostbusters movies, the new gender-swapped one really piqued her interest in a way the others couldn't. There was something about seeing women in those roles that just clicked with her. She never said it, but it was clear to me given we watched all 3 movies in a single sitting, that last one resonated with her quite a bit. The movie itself wasn't great, but she enjoyed it as much if not more than the originals. I'm always going to be good with that.

Like a few of you have expressed, I wish this wasn't a thing, but powerful white men made it a thing by oppressing both women and POC of color for centuries and denying them the right to perform the same roles. It didn't have to be this way, but the discomfort with gender-swapped or color-swapped roles (especially of fictional characters) is not something I have much concern or sympathy for. This is the new normal and I support it.

It's a positive change where it makes sense, but where there's a token black, woman or minority person thrown in somewhere where it's obviously token, it's a negative. I quite like Midsommer Murder's (UK detective show) and for a while now they often have this token black person in an otherwise white English countryside community and it's a bit ridiculous. I don't think any black people who watch it think that it makes sense, either.

Yes. So this is something that I think goes back decades. One of the first CDs that I ever bought was from the LA-based rap group N.W.A. There was such a panic about that record, particularly the song "F--- tha Police," which was a protest song about - I mean, it wasn't all just profanity and violence - it was a protest song about racist policing. And it was considered so dangerous to have that record and to listen to that record, to the point where the FBI assistant director actually sent a letter to the record company complaining about the song. And police unions throughout the country when that song came out were passing notes about the lyrics and trying to urge the local precincts to prevent or shut down N.W.A. performances when they were on tour.

The music really touched a nerve with people because it was about violent retaliation toward police for racist policing, and it really crossed the line. And I think we see manifestations of that same kind of attitude in the way that police union heads and personnel have been speaking lately about the protests, as well as the way politicians have been speaking lately about, you know, how it's kind of un-American to criticize the police in the scenario because their jobs are so dangerous that we shouldn't criticize them. We have to walk on eggshells around them.

Do the police have a point, though, that some of the statements that get made, or some of the calls to action - you know, what makes that different than, perhaps, hate speech, you know, that wouldn't fly with another group?

And that is a really good point. And there is a way in which I'm I am sympathetic with some of the responses we've seen from police, verbal responses, talking about being disrespected, and so on. The problem is that the backdrop of those kinds of pleas is widespread video footage of, you know, what looks awfully like unprovoked police violence against people who are trying to exercise their First Amendment rights.

We need to get to a point in this country where we can have a more honest conversation about the value that our police are providing to our societies, into our communities, where we don't have to worry about maybe being called un-American, or, like the Attorney General said recently, insinuating that if you criticize the police, they might be justified in not protecting you. I think we need to get to a point in the conversation where we can talk frankly about those things without that kind of threat looming over people who criticize the police.

David Starkey resigns from university role over slavery comments

McLewis wrote:

Art Morte wrote:

McLewis wrote:I think there is a significant underestimation of under-representation in the arts. White men have dominated it, as they have with everything else in the West, for centuries. Even roles written for women and POC were played by white men at some points in history. With women and POC gaining ground in equality, is it really all that strange for them to want to see themselves represented in the arts they support, even in roles normally played by men or white men? I really don't think so.

I have a biracial daughter, for example. While she likes the original Ghostbusters movies, the new gender-swapped one really piqued her interest in a way the others couldn't. There was something about seeing women in those roles that just clicked with her. She never said it, but it was clear to me given we watched all 3 movies in a single sitting, that last one resonated with her quite a bit. The movie itself wasn't great, but she enjoyed it as much if not more than the originals. I'm always going to be good with that.

Like a few of you have expressed, I wish this wasn't a thing, but powerful white men made it a thing by oppressing both women and POC of color for centuries and denying them the right to perform the same roles. It didn't have to be this way, but the discomfort with gender-swapped or color-swapped roles (especially of fictional characters) is not something I have much concern or sympathy for. This is the new normal and I support it.

It's a positive change where it makes sense, but where there's a token black, woman or minority person thrown in somewhere where it's obviously token, it's a negative. I quite like Midsommer Murder's (UK detective show) and for a while now they often have this token black person in an otherwise white English countryside community and it's a bit ridiculous. I don't think any black people who watch it think that it makes sense, either.

My mom loves Midsummer Murders. She loves a lot of those UK police shows. You're right though. Didn't see a whole lot of black folks in that one particularly. I don't know UK demographics well enough to know how accurate that was though.

Babun wrote:

David Starkey resigns from university role over slavery comments

https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-53279273

RealGunner wrote:

McLewis wrote:

Art Morte wrote:

McLewis wrote:I think there is a significant underestimation of under-representation in the arts. White men have dominated it, as they have with everything else in the West, for centuries. Even roles written for women and POC were played by white men at some points in history. With women and POC gaining ground in equality, is it really all that strange for them to want to see themselves represented in the arts they support, even in roles normally played by men or white men? I really don't think so.

I have a biracial daughter, for example. While she likes the original Ghostbusters movies, the new gender-swapped one really piqued her interest in a way the others couldn't. There was something about seeing women in those roles that just clicked with her. She never said it, but it was clear to me given we watched all 3 movies in a single sitting, that last one resonated with her quite a bit. The movie itself wasn't great, but she enjoyed it as much if not more than the originals. I'm always going to be good with that.

Like a few of you have expressed, I wish this wasn't a thing, but powerful white men made it a thing by oppressing both women and POC of color for centuries and denying them the right to perform the same roles. It didn't have to be this way, but the discomfort with gender-swapped or color-swapped roles (especially of fictional characters) is not something I have much concern or sympathy for. This is the new normal and I support it.

It's a positive change where it makes sense, but where there's a token black, woman or minority person thrown in somewhere where it's obviously token, it's a negative. I quite like Midsommer Murder's (UK detective show) and for a while now they often have this token black person in an otherwise white English countryside community and it's a bit ridiculous. I don't think any black people who watch it think that it makes sense, either.

My mom loves Midsummer Murders. She loves a lot of those UK police shows. You're right though. Didn't see a whole lot of black folks in that one particularly. I don't know UK demographics well enough to know how accurate that was though.

Outside of London and Manchester, i would say the probability of seeing a black person is 1 out of 300 people. A lot less in the country side areas.

The rate has decreased in recent years due to more immigration and birth rates over the 10 years but when shows like midsommer were made in the late 90s, showing a token black guy was probably their version of showing diversity when they didn't need to. Specially since midsommer is based on sommerset county which currently has a 98.8% population of white people ( must be 99% back when midsommer was made)

It makes more sense to show Asian people than black in british shows (very common now).

Babun wrote:
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Your opinion about the transgender model Jaro Jones at Calvin Klein?