Re: 2018/2019 Premier League Discussion Part III

by Hapless_Hans Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:26 pm

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:
Nishankly wrote:
Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:

Imagine actually watching the games and thinking Mourinho isn't at fault.

Imagine watching games @mole

Yet I still know more than people watching lol.

When every single player regressed it's obvious the coach is to blame.

Anyone who doesn't see that simply doesn't understand the impact of an entire team regressing because of the coach.

I'm not surprised though, none of you have experienced this because you all support big teams so it's like a man with health eyes leading a pack of blind people when it's comes to this conversation.

I said the same when Wenger was doing the same thing at Arsenal and the response was the same " players are trash, it's not his fault " Yet largely those same players are now magically performing lol.

So you'd say that Rashford is a world class prospect who's main problem is being stifled by Mourinho then eh

Let's get some clear statement from you here, on the record, not just your usual sniping from the bushes

by Nishankly Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:27 pm

Hapless_Hans wrote:
not just your usual sniping from the bushes

by Hapless_Hans Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:28 pm

Nishankly wrote:
Hapless_Hans wrote:
not just your usual sniping from the bushes

because you know as well as me in 3 years, when it's common proven knowledge that Rashford isn't actually all that, Mole will be here to tell us how he always said Rashford was a scrub

by Jay29 Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:29 pm

Nishankly wrote:
Jay29 wrote:

It's evident they have no real offensive plan, though.

This is what I feel about Chelsea as well, they just keep moving the ball around until someone comes up with a WC moment or a set piece. They don't have a proper plan.

Chelsea's plan is to draw the opposition up by keeping it in deeper areas before springing it forward quickly to the wingers, usually Hazard. You can see today that Hazard has had a lot of joy one-on-one against Young.

Alternatively, they overload one side of the pitch with a full-back, winger, and one of the 8s, to tilt the opposition defence and open space on the opposite flank. And they usually have a midfielder (Kante in this case) break forward into the penalty area to occupy a defender or make the cut-back possible.

by Nishankly Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:34 pm

Jay29 wrote:
Nishankly wrote:
Jay29 wrote:

It's evident they have no real offensive plan, though.

This is what I feel about Chelsea as well, they just keep moving the ball around until someone comes up with a WC moment or a set piece. They don't have a proper plan.

Chelsea's plan is to draw the opposition up by keeping it in deeper areas before springing it forward quickly to the wingers, usually Hazard. You can see today that Hazard has had a lot of joy one-on-one against Young.

Alternatively, they overload one side of the pitch with a full-back, winger, and one of the 8s, to tilt the opposition defence and open space on the opposite flank. And they usually have a midfielder (Kante in this case) break forward into the penalty area to occupy a defender or make the cut-back possible.

I want to know if Chelsea create chances as much as City and where do those chances come from, to me it still seems like they use Hazard and the wing backs to get into good positions. They are very dependent on one player unlike every other team in the top 6.

by Nishankly Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:34 pm

Morata had a good chance there.

by Nishankly Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:36 pm

Matic isn't looking slow and labored, its because he's on a yellow and can't thug with authority you pos commentators.

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:37 pm

Hapless_Hans wrote:
Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:
Nishankly wrote:

Imagine watching games @mole

Yet I still know more than people watching lol.

When every single player regressed it's obvious the coach is to blame.

Anyone who doesn't see that simply doesn't understand the impact of an entire team regressing because of the coach.

I'm not surprised though, none of you have experienced this because you all support big teams so it's like a man with health eyes leading a pack of blind people when it's comes to this conversation.

I said the same when Wenger was doing the same thing at Arsenal and the response was the same " players are trash, it's not his fault " Yet largely those same players are now magically performing lol.

So you'd say that Rashford is a world class prospect who's main problem is being stifled by Mourinho then eh

Let's get some clear statement from you here, on the record, not just your usual sniping from the bushes

Where did I say that? No need to put words in my mouth, it's pretty clear what I mean by my post tbh.

Guardiola makes pretty much all his players better, as does Klopp, Sarri, Pochettino and even Emery has.

Mourinho is making them worse, if you don't see that then there's much more I can do. I want to make this clear, all of you are very intelligent people far more so than me. But when it comes to this particular subject your lack of experience is showing in your evaluation of the situation.

by Jay29 Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:38 pm

Nishankly wrote:
I want to know if Chelsea create chances as much as City and where do those chances come from, to me it still seems like they use Hazard and the wing backs to get into good positions. They are very dependent on one player unlike every other team in the top 6.

Nobody creates as much as City, tbf.

And a quick check on the league's xG shows that only Liverpool and, surprisingly, Bournemouth are making better chances than Chelsea are atm.

by BusterLfc Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:42 pm

by Jay29 Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:42 pm

Martial 1-1. Scrappy goal produced by Chelsea failing to clear their lines.

by Hapless_Hans Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:42 pm

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:
Hapless_Hans wrote:
Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:

Yet I still know more than people watching lol.

When every single player regressed it's obvious the coach is to blame.

Anyone who doesn't see that simply doesn't understand the impact of an entire team regressing because of the coach.

I'm not surprised though, none of you have experienced this because you all support big teams so it's like a man with health eyes leading a pack of blind people when it's comes to this conversation.

I said the same when Wenger was doing the same thing at Arsenal and the response was the same " players are trash, it's not his fault " Yet largely those same players are now magically performing lol.

So you'd say that Rashford is a world class prospect who's main problem is being stifled by Mourinho then eh

Let's get some clear statement from you here, on the record, not just your usual sniping from the bushes

Where did I say that? No need to put words in my mouth, it's pretty clear what I mean by my post tbh.

Guardiola makes pretty much all his players better, as does Klopp, Sarri, Pochettino and even Emery has.

Mourinho is making them worse, if you don't see that then there's much more I can do. I want to make this clear, all of you are very intelligent people far more so than me. But when it comes to this particular subject your lack of experience is showing in your evaluation of the situation.

And where did I say that players don't regress under Mourinho?
I said that if I'm honest, I'm afraid Rashford's lack of quality can't be fully, or mainly, blamed on Mourinho (as much as I like to blame stuff on Mourinho and as much as I liked the kid when he began to emerge)

by Nishankly Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:43 pm

United take advantage of a Chelsea man on the floor continuously. Martial 1-1

by Nishankly Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:43 pm

Jay29 wrote:
Nishankly wrote:
I want to know if Chelsea create chances as much as City and where do those chances come from, to me it still seems like they use Hazard and the wing backs to get into good positions. They are very dependent on one player unlike every other team in the top 6.

Nobody creates as much as City, tbf.

And a quick check on the league's xG shows that only Liverpool and, surprisingly, Bournemouth are making better chances than Chelsea are atm.

Do you think their plan is sustainable?

by Freeza Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:44 pm

Nishankly wrote:United take advantage of a Chelsea man on the floor continuously. Martial 1-1

Should’ve given Marcos Alonso a yellow for that.

Incredible play acting

by Hapless_Hans Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:45 pm

if I was a Utd fan I would hate Pogba so much Laughing

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:45 pm

I'm not just speaking about Rashford though, I'm talking about the team as a whole. When an individual here and there sucks fair enough, but when a whole team sucks it's the coaches fault.

by rincon Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:45 pm

Alonso throwing the game :facepalm:

by Nishankly Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:46 pm

Freeza wrote:
Nishankly wrote:United take advantage of a Chelsea man on the floor continuously. Martial 1-1

Should’ve given Marcos Alonso a yellow for that.

Incredible play acting

When he got up after conceding rofl

by Nishankly Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:46 pm

Nishankly wrote:Just convert Alonso into a winger, free him from his defensive chains.

THIS FFS

by Hapless_Hans Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:48 pm

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:I'm not just speaking about Rashford though, I'm talking about the team as a whole. When an individual here and there sucks fair enough, but when a whole team sucks it's the coaches fault.

How do you come here, enter into a discussion of Rashford specifically, then post some stuff, then get challenged about that, and then say "I'm not just speaking about Rashford here" ? Laughing

If your point was Mourinho these days isn't a coach that seems to improve his team and its players, then you should posted in a thread called "Musings of Captain Obvious"

by Jay29 Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:49 pm

Nishankly wrote:
Jay29 wrote:
Nishankly wrote:
I want to know if Chelsea create chances as much as City and where do those chances come from, to me it still seems like they use Hazard and the wing backs to get into good positions. They are very dependent on one player unlike every other team in the top 6.

Nobody creates as much as City, tbf.

And a quick check on the league's xG shows that only Liverpool and, surprisingly, Bournemouth are making better chances than Chelsea are atm.

Do you think their plan is sustainable?

Too early to tell. Won't really know for sure until about 15 games have been played.

What I will say is that they're quite dependent on Hazard for goals at the moment and could do with Giroud, Morata, Willian and Pedro chipping in with more than they are currently.

by rincon Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:51 pm

Nishankly wrote:
Nishankly wrote:Just convert Alonso into a winger, free him from his defensive chains.

THIS FFS

Not even a winger. Alonso has always been a midfielder playing out of position imo. His best things are his passing and height, don't understand how he became a fullback.

by Nishankly Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:54 pm

Mata what a desperate lunge, ouch.

by Nishankly Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:56 pm

Young been a rock this half

by BusterLfc Sat Oct 20, 2018 2:00 pm

Martial 1-2.

United a far better team in the 2nd half, deserved lead.

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