Grande_Milano wrote: It didnt have a reformation

This is the only line of truth in that pail of garbage you just unloaded here.

Myesyats wrote: Because he doesn't make up things out of thin air like the media you religiously believe in?

Viva said it best,

VivaStPauli wrote:
wat

No, I said it best.

"You like to catch onto the irrelevant, little things while successfuly failing to see the bigger picture"

So far Trump is fulfilling everything he claimed he would do during the campaign. Literally, he gives the voters exctly what they voted for! Very rare these days.

Trump will not say things like "We must support civilised, democratic opposition in Syria" because that's a plain lie you've been fed with.

Mainstream media controlling the society is a state supreme in its disorder!

Trump is a person that had the balls to go out and say that CNN is garbage. I rate that.

No one is acting surprised, knowing that something is coming doesn't mean one has to agree. Taking a stance against injustice is is the right thing to do.

@MJ Trump doesn't make up things out of thin air, he has alternative facts

rincon wrote:@MJ Trump doesn't make up things out of thin air, he has alternative facts

What has Trump done otherwise than expected? He's doing exactly what he said.

Unlike Obama who said one thing and done another.

Have you ever listened to a single Trump speech? I know that you love the guy, but even you must be able to point to any of the myriad falsehoods in his words.

You do know that the whole "alternative facts" things was something they actually said after being caught blatantly lying (or "making up things our of thin air") right?

rincon wrote:Have you ever listened to a single Trump speech? I know that you love the guy, but even you must be able to point to any of the myriad falsehoods in his words.

You do know that the whole "alternative facts" things was something they actually said after being caught blatantly lying (or "making up things our of thin air") right?

I don't love Trump. You hate Trump.

You love your broken democracy yet you probably don't accept that Trump has won fair and square in democratic election.

Can you please specify what "they" exactly said? If you mean that tape where Trump is caught saying some things then please, spare me.

You see, if you do some reading and stay up to date you would have known that in one of Trump's camp's many blunders when he was sworn in they were boasting of having the biggest audience in history! Something of course objectively false because it is really, really, easy to tell with the endless footage of the ceremony that it was not even close to being the case. This is just the latest example of the endless lies and mistakes they make in their many statements.

Trump's Counselor of the President (Kellyanne Conway) said that they were not lying, they just have alternative facts.

Things like these are details you would know if you actually stayed informed about the proceeding instead of forming your opinion regardless of facts.

When did I "not accept that he won fair and square"? of course he won fair and square. There lies the problem. If he had cheated in any way, this would have an easy fix. A broken electoral system is much more easily remedied than the mess we are in.

To give you more examples, since you need them, Trump wrote some time ago this:

"The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive."

Did he pull that out of thin air is that something you agree with?

Myesyats wrote:

At least in my bigotsville(!) we don't have to deal with terrorist attacks because we know how to properly deal with immigration.

The ban would not have prevented any attack in the US in the past 40 years, the attacks would have happened anyways.

People don't immigrate to your bigotsville because it is actually a bigotsville atleast when the world speaks.

So, for you, lying about the attendace in a ceremony is a bigger issue than lying about the situation regarding the current greatest danger in ISIS?!

Really? Oh my.

If this the best you got then why are we even debating anything?

Nishankly wrote:People don't immigrate to your bigotsville because it is actually a bigotsville atleast when the world speaks.

Immigrants don't want to stay in Poland because we have low social benefits And obviously they would like to live without working at all. That'd be really convenient.

Myesyats wrote:

Nishankly wrote:People don't immigrate to your bigotsville because it is actually a bigotsville atleast when the world speaks.

Immigrants don't want to stay in Poland because we have low social benefits And obviously they would like to live without working at all. That'd be really convenient.

You are now confusing refugees with immigrants imo

rincon wrote:To give you more examples, since you need them, Trump wrote some time ago this:

"The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive."

Did he pull that out of thin air is that something you agree with?

Well, I wouldn't call that a lie because he actually believes that Him saying that only proves that he is stupid, not a liar.

Nishankly wrote:

Myesyats wrote:

Nishankly wrote:People don't immigrate to your bigotsville because it is actually a bigotsville atleast when the world speaks.

Immigrants don't want to stay in Poland because we have low social benefits And obviously they would like to live without working at all. That'd be really convenient.

You are now confusing refugees with immigrants imo

Yes, here I had refugees in mind.

Anyhow, believe me, it's possible to live in Poland.

Special guest ref has arrived, continue with the feud imo.

Myesyats wrote:So, for you, lying about the attendace in a ceremony is a bigger issue than lying about the situation regarding the current greatest danger in ISIS?!

He didn't say it was a bigger issue and no one is talking about Trump lying about campaign promises. He said all of those horrible things and people voted for him because they wanted something different and naively thought it was just campaign rhetoric to make headlines or - worse - they believed in and wanted those things to come to fruition.

Anyway, don't cherry pick. Trump has lied about crowd size, called climate change a Chinese-invented myth, his taxes, he just lied about how many people were illegally detained at the airports after his moronic and haphazardly implemented immigration ban (he said 109 but it seems Dulles and JFK had 100 alone. So unless there were 9 others in the rest of the US as a whole, that number is false. I'll wait until there are official numbers from at least two sources before calling him out on that one fully because I've been so patient with him).

Here are some more falsehoods: http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/

It's just obvious what kind of man is in office here. I watched his interview with David Muir because, honestly, I find the giant orange man fascinating. He's a real case study. And it's incredible how many times he had to remind the world that he is, in fact, the president. As Tywin Lannister put it: Any man who must say, "I am the king" is no true king.

Anyway, Muir kept asking when he would let issues like his stupid crowd size insecurity go and this preposterous investigation he wants to launch to look into the 3million (!!!) votes he thinks illegally went to Hillary. His response was to claim he won the popular vote and go on about how great his speech was at the CIA headquarters. Just incredible narcissism.

Myesyats wrote:
Well, I wouldn't call that a lie because he actually believes that Him saying that only proves that he is stupid, not a liar.

I'm prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt then and my verdict is that he is equally stupid and dishonest.

I agree with you mostly. Although I am also of the opinion that after years of Obama's not-so-successful presidency it was time for change. Hillary would have just carried on with what Obama was doing which was strenghtening our mutual enemies and worsening relations with Putin.

There's always pros and cons. The people who all voted for him knew the consequences. He did not hide anything.

However, he said that the ban would be TEMPORARY so there's hope he can swing around on that decision soon enough.

These numbers are definitely way off. What is the source of this chart anyway?

It's really a mystery though why he chose these 7 countries in particular.

Well, okay, that makes just a little more sense now. I mean it still doesn't but you know what I mean.

Please keep it civil in here, If I see any more insults thrown around, I will lock the thread.

Until the countries who actually produced people who carried out terrorist attacks on us are added to this list, this EO is a political stunt and one that is having real consequences. As long as it allows Christians in without issues, it's a religious test, which is unconstitutional.

A woman, from my state, who had a green card, just died while waiting to get back into the US, something that shouldn't have happened. I don't know the details around her health, but that she died away from her home and family due to this ban is just unconscionable to me.

And before the right wingers here jump on this. I would've said the exact damn thing had Obama tried this shit (yes, I'm aware of 2011, which was reactive while this EO is proactive). I would've said the same had Clinton, McCain, Romney, Sanders or any other would be POTUS done it as well. Because I favor consistency and transparency. The Trump admin lacks both.