Re: Munich Amok Rampage

by DuringTheWar Fri Jul 22, 2016 2:42 pm

M99 wrote:Guy: Du Arschloch, du Wixxer (You asshole, you wanker)
Gunman: Und jetzt muss ich ne Waffe kaufen um euch ???umzubringen??? (And now I have to buy a weapon to ???kill you???)
Guy: Dir gehört der Schädel abgeschnitten, du Arschloch (Someone should cut your head off, you asshole)
Gunman: Scheiss Türken (*bleep* Turks)
Guy: Scheiss Kanacken (*bleep* [don't have a proper translation for that: something like sandn*ggers])
Guy: Er hat eine geladene Waffe (He has a loaded gun) Holt die Bullen! (Bring the cops!) Der Wixxer (This wanker)
Gunman: Ich bin Deutscher (I'm a german)
Guy: Du bist ein Wixxer, bist du (You're a wanker, that's what you are)
Gunman: Hört auf mich zu filmen! (Stop filming me!)
Guy: Was macht dich deutsch? (What makes you german?)
Gunman: Ich bin hier geboren worden. (I was born here)
Guy: Na und? Was machst für einen Scheiß? (So what? What shit are you doing?)
Gunman: Ich bin hier aufgwachsen in der Hartz4-Gegend (I was grown up in the Hartz4-area/Ghetto [Hartz4 = unemployment benefit])
Gunman: Ich war in Behandlung (I was in therapy)
Guy: Ja, Behandlung. Du gehörst in die Psychiatrie du Arschloch. (Yes, therapy. You belong to psychiatry, you asshole.)
Gunman: Ich habe nichts getan. Halten Sie die Schnauze. (I did nothing. Shut the *bleep* up!)
Guy: Du Wixxer, du (You wanker, you)

I don't know how much is lost in translation but that sounds like some weird ass conversation!

by rwo power Fri Jul 22, 2016 2:42 pm

BAYERN_MUNICH wrote:This could be aswell an attack on the current Merkel government because of the immigrant policy, and i highliy think it is

That could indeed point to a connection with Breivik then. Incidentally, Breivik mentioned the NSU and his fight against the muslim immigrants as a motive. He stated he attacked people of the leftist labour party because of their liberal immigration policies. So we are possibly looking at right extremist motivated terror here.

by DuringTheWar Fri Jul 22, 2016 2:48 pm

CNN saying a Muslim witness from Kosovo told them he shouted Allahu Akbar

by Lex Fri Jul 22, 2016 2:52 pm

The way German police have been suppressing information in regards to crimes committed by foreigners or people of questionable demeanour, we;ll be lucky to get any reliable information on these guys

by Lex Fri Jul 22, 2016 2:53 pm

Situations like this almost make be pine and swoon for a police state

by Hapless_Hans Fri Jul 22, 2016 2:58 pm

Marcus Aurelius wrote:Refugees welcome. (:

Care to explain that post?
Wait, rather don't.

by Lex Fri Jul 22, 2016 2:59 pm

DuringTheWar wrote:CNN saying a Muslim witness from Kosovo told them he shouted Allahu Akbar

Mail and other sources now claiming the same thing

by Hapless_Hans Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:02 pm

Lex wrote:
DuringTheWar wrote:CNN saying a Muslim witness from Kosovo told them he shouted Allahu Akbar
Mail and other sources now claiming the same thing

Well that's the riddle solved then.

Never mind the actual video of the shooter shouting xenophobic stuff in German

by Lex Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:04 pm

Again, Islamists can be German, American, English, Japanese, Norwegian, African etc. Islam isn't a skin colour or place of origin, it's an ideology, a way of thinking and believing, a lifestyle. This guy could've been Mr Germany through and through last month. A few weeks of intense radicalization and re-education and boom.

by Hapless_Hans Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:06 pm

Lex you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about.

by rwo power Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:06 pm

Actually who says that it wasn't a neo nazi posing as Islamist by shouting 'Allahu Akbar'? If you have crazy right extremist sociopaths, they could also pose as crazy Islamist sociopaths to cause greater chaos...

by Lex Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:09 pm

Hapless_Hans wrote:Lex you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about.

I actually do, it sounds like you're almost praying this isn't another Merkel screw up

rwo power wrote:Actually who says that it wasn't a neo nazi posing as Islamist by shouting 'Allahu Akbar'?

I said the same thing about the racist attacks in Britain last month and got laughed at for even conceiving of such an idea. And that didn't involve people ending up dead

by rwo power Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:13 pm

@Lex

Well, in this case you have a video of a guy who identifies himself as German (with noticeable Saxonian accent), who insults Turks and who seems to be one of the killers. Plus the Breivik massaker in Norway was committed 5 years ago on 22 July, too. So this could indeed point to right extremist terror.

by Art Morte Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:29 pm

I don't think it's ISIS trained attackers at least, this seems somehow more amateurish than their attacks. Plus those folks almost always fight til death, this attacker or attackers have fled. What makes me feel that it is jihadist terrorism, though, is - if it's true - that there have been three attackers. Usually your regular nut jobs don't find themselves accomplices, they're lone gunmen. Jihadist terrorists on the other hand often operate in groups.

by rwo power Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:40 pm

N24 just said that one terrorist killed himself by shooting himself in the head. It is still unknown whether he was the sole terrorist or if there were accomplices.

The police is currently interviewing around one hundred witnesses to figure out what exactly happened.

As for regular nutjobs being lone gunmen - this wouldn't be the case if you'd have NSU-related criminals - these were known to work in terror cells, just as neo nazis mostly work in groups.

by Hapless_Hans Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:49 pm

9 people confirmed dead, among them a 15 year old girl. Another dead found one kilometer from where the shooting happened- this might be one of the gunmen or the gunman.

Editor-in-chief of Abendzeitung (local Munich paper) just tweeted that half an hour ago there were gunshots near their editorial office

by rwo power Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:52 pm

N24 showed a picture (on TV) where the guys from both videos (one of the gunman in front of the McDonald's, the other with the gunman from that "talk" on the parking lot roof) were shown together and it appears as if they show indeed the same person.

by Unique Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:54 pm

BAYERN_MUNICH wrote:You know that east germany is full of neo Nazis and right minded People?
And this is not prejudgment ,its confirmed buy the political elections of NPD and so in.

I know he could be islamic, but i say the chance is very low.

tbh mate would that not be like saying islam is full of Islamic extreamists. I have seen lots of posts from you before talking about people painting people with the same brush.

by VivaStPauli Fri Jul 22, 2016 4:04 pm

I'm sure the CSU will do the right thing after this and really fight left-wing extremism.

Authorities been blind on the right eye for decades, I bet 1000 sad pandas on this being the neo-nazi come-uppance. Don't think this is Islamists.

by DuringTheWar Fri Jul 22, 2016 4:29 pm

VivaStPauli wrote:I'm sure the CSU will do the right thing after this and really fight left-wing extremism

Left-wing extremists commit more violent crime in Germany than the right-wing.

Can't remember where I saw this data by I know it was official.

by zigra Fri Jul 22, 2016 4:39 pm

DuringTheWar wrote:
VivaStPauli wrote:I'm sure the CSU will do the right thing after this and really fight left-wing extremism

Left-wing extremists commit more violent crime in Germany than the right-wing.

Can't remember where I saw this data by I know it was official.

Whatever.
Can't believe the shit that's been posted this night lmao. I read so often about people shooting on a place I was on I almost believed it myself.

by Hapless_Hans Fri Jul 22, 2016 4:47 pm

DuringTheWar wrote:
VivaStPauli wrote:I'm sure the CSU will do the right thing after this and really fight left-wing extremism

Left-wing extremists commit more violent crime in Germany than the right-wing.

Can't remember where I saw this data by I know it was official.

Not true, and very, very far off too.

Anyway, don't see why you would need to come and argue this today.
You yourself had possibly the right instinct here with the Breivik anniversary thing.
Right wing terrorism in Germany is very real. It's not as big a thing for the whole world as Islamic terror, but for Germany it is bigger, and real.

by Hapless_Hans Fri Jul 22, 2016 4:49 pm

Supposed shots ner the Abendzeitung office turned out to be nothing.

So RWO, possibly there was only one shooter after all, and he's dead?

by Hapless_Hans Fri Jul 22, 2016 5:33 pm

OK, so the public transport is resuming, police tweeted that things are resolved with one shooter found dead who presumably acted alone.

by rwo power Fri Jul 22, 2016 5:56 pm

Hapless_Hans wrote:So RWO, possibly there was only one shooter after all, and he's dead?

Yeah, looks like it.

I'm curious what they will find out about the culprit.

BTW, there will be a presser at 02:00 GMT+2 it seems (right now then).

by Robespierre Fri Jul 22, 2016 5:59 pm

Hapless_Hans wrote:
DuringTheWar wrote:
VivaStPauli wrote:I'm sure the CSU will do the right thing after this and really fight left-wing extremism

Left-wing extremists commit more violent crime in Germany than the right-wing.

Can't remember where I saw this data by I know it was official.

Not true, and very, very far off too.

Anyway, don't see why you would need to come and argue this today.
You yourself had possibly the right instinct here with the Breivik anniversary thing.
Right wing terrorism in Germany is very real. It's not as big a thing for the whole world as Islamic terror, but for Germany it is bigger, and real.

Had you already past cases of right wing terrorism in Germany ? I know just the RAF (left wing extremism).
In Italy we had both and the modus operandi was always different : right wing terrorism aimed on specific targets (like poltiics or policemen, such as RAF. ) but never the people . Neofascists hitted into the crowd " at random" , even attacking the trains.
It wasn't so different than yesterday tbh...

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