The good thing is if Bogdan performs good, Klopp just might keep him for few more games.
Milner finally dropped
Can and Henderson both will try to do a little more than cross the ball.

Bogdan *bleep* off

Clyne cannot dribble or pass a ball to save his life.

Lallana is the most ineffective, inefficient pleb of a player in history of the world. I honestly never thought I'd see another Stewie Downing play for us again.

Bogdan didn't even start for a championship club last season.

Skrtel  Read my posts about him for the past 5 years.

Moreno and defending

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We're so frigging bad when we can't play on the counter.

I'm not even disgusted by the Watford goals, I'm disgusted that we haven't had even a half-chance against Watford in 45 minutes. Sorry to say, but this isn't any better than under Rodgers. Players just standing there in attack, waiting for someone else to do something.

Firmino needs to ride the bench. Another no-show. At least Benteke has goals in him when presented with a chance.

Coutinho disgusts me the most right now. There's no way a player with his skill and talent should be this anonymous. The lad's just way too happy to just wait up there to get the ball. Lallana has 50% of Coutinho's talent, but because he's working harder to get on the ball and make things happen, he's performing 50% better here.

But it's awful how lazy we look going forward. If we cannot counter-attack, we don't know what to do. Shambolic.

Don't call me James wrote:Clyne cannot dribble or pass a ball to save his life.

Lallana is the most ineffective, inefficient pleb of a player in history of the world. I honestly never thought I'd see another Stewie Downing play for us again.

Bogdan didn't even start for a championship club last season.

Skrtel  Read my posts about him for the past 5 years.

Moreno and defending

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I thought at one point that "in games like these I miss Glen Johnson." For all his defensive faults, he was a great full-back going forward.

Don't know what you're laughing Skrtel at, though. Did what he could on that goal. The bigger question is why wasn't Sakho on the line with him. The ball's played over Sakho and the goal comes from Sakho's side, but somehow Skrtel is the only one anywhere near Ighalo. A great finish, though.

Lallana may lack a bit in skill, but like I said, is doing much more than Coutinho. Don't give Cou a free ride just because he's more skillful, for he has been abysmal in this game.

:ROFL:
can I just give up right now on EPL. It is meaningless to watch these games and the position in the table doesn't matter unless we finish in relegation

Sakho is also having a shocker. Looks woeful out there but the only reason i'm not having a go at him is because it's literally his first minutes after a long injury.

Sakho was shit and nothing to do with his injury, unless it was brain damage. Asleep at their 2nd goal and for their 3rd goal - although it didn't really matter any more - he doesn't play the offside nor get close to Ighalo, allowing him a free header.

A truly abysmal performance from us. Coutinho our worst player, imo. We need to change the way we play in midfield and build-up completely, because we must be the easiest side to defend against when you just let us have the ball.

Klopp isn't looking like a world-class manager so far.

So here's thing my personal life is nothing but shit right now so last thing I need is results like this so Kloppo should start getting his shit together asap.

*bleep*.

Pirloisjesus wrote:So here's thing my personal life is nothing but shit right now so last thing I need is results like this so Kloppo should start getting his shit together asap.

He has a bang average squad. Again, he has a free pass until next season.

Art Morte wrote:Sakho was shit and nothing to do with his injury, unless it was brain damage. Asleep at their 2nd goal and for their 3rd goal - although it didn't really matter any more - he doesn't play the offside nor get close to Ighalo, allowing him a free header.

A truly abysmal performance from us. Coutinho our worst player, imo. We need to change the way we play in midfield and build-up completely, because we must be the easiest side to defend against when you just let us have the ball.

Klopp isn't looking like a world-class manager so far.

Sakho just came back from injury and thus lost his match sharpness. Not the end of the world. He's still our best defender, and we should build our defence around him.

As for Klopp not looking world class, he has a bunch of primadonna's thinking they're better than they are on one day and lacking self esteem the next. At the end of the day, the squad needs an overhaul. I know the hype gets over you guys when the transfer window comes, but a lot of Rodgers signings stagnated the club in the past few years. We're still pretty much recovering / rebuilding from the G+H days.

Red Alert wrote:

Art Morte wrote:Sakho was shit and nothing to do with his injury, unless it was brain damage. Asleep at their 2nd goal and for their 3rd goal - although it didn't really matter any more - he doesn't play the offside nor get close to Ighalo, allowing him a free header.

A truly abysmal performance from us. Coutinho our worst player, imo. We need to change the way we play in midfield and build-up completely, because we must be the easiest side to defend against when you just let us have the ball.

Klopp isn't looking like a world-class manager so far.

Sakho just came back from injury and thus lost his match sharpness. Not the end of the world. He's still our best defender, and we should build our defence around him.

As for Klopp not looking world class, he has a bunch of primadonna's thinking they're better than they are on one day and lacking self esteem the next. At the end of the day, the squad needs an overhaul. I know the hype gets over you guys when the transfer window comes, but a lot of Rodgers signings stagnated the club in the past few years. We're still pretty much recovering / rebuilding from the G+H days.

when these players played shit at the start of the season you blamed it all on rodgers. Now they are playing shit under klopp you blame the players. You can't have it both ways either it's all down the the players witch means klopp and Rodgers gets a pass. Or its just bad coaching that's the problem.

Art Morte wrote:
Klopp isn't looking like a world-class manager so far.

Comments like these really do my *bleep* head in. You sound stupid as *bleep* Morty and I know that's not the case, you are very bright fella.

What the *bleep* did people expect? A miracle worker? The guy is a football manager and in his own words he's not a miracle worker.

Any sort of negative remark towards the guy grinds my gears.

Our current situation is the result of absolute horrid decision making for the past *bleep* half a decade and more, it has nothing to do with Klopp.

I swear to you even Pep Guardiola and Bill Shankly would not be able to get any more from the shower of shit that's at the club.

There's more than enough talent on this team to beat the likes of Watford, West Brom and Newcastle. I don't care who is in charge and I don't care where the blame lies. That these results are going the way they are, and consistently, needs to change.

Unique wrote:when these players played shit at the start of the season you blamed it all on rodgers. Now they are playing shit under klopp you blame the players. You can't have it both ways either it's all down the the players witch means klopp and Rodgers gets a pass. Or its just bad coaching that's the problem.

Stop trying to put words in my mouth. I'm still blaming Rodgers.

Why would I blame Klopp if he has to fix Rodgers' mess? The players aren't good enough. Not mentally, or physically.

Don't call me James wrote:

Art Morte wrote:
Klopp isn't looking like a world-class manager so far.

Comments like these really do my *bleep* head in. You sound stupid as *bleep* Morty and I know that's not the case, you are very bright fella.

What the *bleep* did people expect? A miracle worker? The guy is a football manager and in his own words he's not a miracle worker.

Any sort of negative remark towards the guy grinds my gears.

Our current situation is the result of absolute horrid decision making for the past *bleep* half a decade and more, it has nothing to do with Klopp.

I swear to you even Pep Guardiola and Bill Shankly would not be able to get any more from the shower of shit that's at the club.

These players can play better than what we're seeing. I mean, 1 point from last three games against Newcastle, West Brom and Watford with a -5 goal-difference, wtf? And the thing is we didn't even look like winning any of those games. If we were playing all right and being unlucky losers, I wouldn't complain.

These players can play better with better instructions. When we were in controlled possession against Watford, it meant passing the ball between our defenders and two CMs around the half-way line. The rest about five players were somewhere way too high, standing still with all of them their backs to goal, looking what's happening. One guy comes running towards the ball, maybe gets the pass to his feet, his back to the goal still, a defender right on him and he can only pass it straight back or sideways. Anyone should understand this is not the correct way to try and build up attacks!

If we have up to five guys ending up in the attacking third without the ball, it's just stupid. The manager needs to tell the players to drop deeper, so we'll have more opportunities to pass & move it up the pitch. Coutinho had an absolutely shit game because he couldn't get on the ball. He needed to drop deeper. His manager needed to instruct him to drop deeper. And the way the players are still standing still out there in attack like under prime Rodgers is just so stupid to see. No spaces will open up if only one guy makes a run to make himself available for a pass. The players need to have more movement, even if the ball won't be passed to them. That gets the defenders moving and opens up spaces. But so far I'm seeing none of these things. And these things were my main frustration under Rodgers. No movement, no urgency in attack when in possession. So, I am disappointed in Klopp that so far he hasn't changed any of this, because these things shouldn't take months to change.

Red Alert wrote:

Unique wrote:when these players played shit at the start of the season you blamed it all on rodgers. Now they are playing shit under klopp you blame the players. You can't have it both ways either it's all down the the players witch means klopp and Rodgers gets a pass. Or its just bad coaching that's the problem.

Stop trying to put words in my mouth. I'm still blaming Rodgers.

Why would I blame Klopp if he has to fix Rodgers' mess? The players aren't good enough. Not mentally, or physically.

again I will ask you as you seem to dodge the question. does Liverpool have better players than west brom Newcastle and Watford yes or no.

Art Morte wrote:

Don't call me James wrote:

Art Morte wrote:
Klopp isn't looking like a world-class manager so far.

Comments like these really do my *bleep* head in. You sound stupid as *bleep* Morty and I know that's not the case, you are very bright fella.

What the *bleep* did people expect? A miracle worker? The guy is a football manager and in his own words he's not a miracle worker.

Any sort of negative remark towards the guy grinds my gears.

Our current situation is the result of absolute horrid decision making for the past *bleep* half a decade and more, it has nothing to do with Klopp.

I swear to you even Pep Guardiola and Bill Shankly would not be able to get any more from the shower of shit that's at the club.

These players can play better than what we're seeing. I mean, 1 point from last three games against Newcastle, West Brom and Watford with a -5 goal-difference, wtf? And the thing is we didn't even look like winning any of those games. If we were playing all right and being unlucky losers, I wouldn't complain.

These players can play better with better instructions. When we were in controlled possession against Watford, it meant passing the ball between our defenders and two CMs around the half-way line. The rest about five players were somewhere way too high, standing still with all of them their backs to goal, looking what's happening. One guy comes running towards the ball, maybe gets the pass to his feet, his back to the goal still, a defender right on him and he can only pass it straight back or sideways. Anyone should understand this is not the correct way to try and build up attacks!

If we have up to five guys ending up in the attacking third without the ball, it's just stupid. The manager needs to tell the players to drop deeper, so we'll have more opportunities to pass & move it up the pitch. Coutinho had an absolutely shit game because he couldn't get on the ball. He needed to drop deeper. His manager needed to instruct him to drop deeper. And the way the players are still standing still out there in attack like under prime Rodgers is just so stupid to see. No spaces will open up if only one guy makes a run to make himself available for a pass. The players need to have more movement, even if the ball won't be passed to them. That gets the defenders moving and opens up spaces. But so far I'm seeing none of these things. And these things were my main frustration under Rodgers. No movement, no urgency in attack when in possession. So, I am disappointed in Klopp that so far he hasn't changed any of this, because these things shouldn't take months to change.

also the defending at set plays is just as bad as it was under Rodgers. and that should not take long to fix.

I know every team and manager is different but this time last year Leicester were rock bottom. now they are 5 points clear at the top so look how fast Claudio Ranieri has changed things there.

Unique wrote:

Red Alert wrote:

Unique wrote:when these players played shit at the start of the season you blamed it all on rodgers. Now they are playing shit under klopp you blame the players. You can't have it both ways either it's all down the the players witch means klopp and Rodgers gets a pass. Or its just bad coaching that's the problem.

Stop trying to put words in my mouth. I'm still blaming Rodgers.

Why would I blame Klopp if he has to fix Rodgers' mess? The players aren't good enough. Not mentally, or physically.

again I will ask you as you seem to dodge the question. does Liverpool have better players than west brom Newcastle and Watford yes or no.

How in gods name is

hen these players played shit at the start of the season you blamed it all on rodgers. Now they are playing shit under klopp you blame the players. You can't have it both ways either it's all down the the players witch means klopp and Rodgers gets a pass. Or its just bad coaching that's the problem.

a question?

We have better "players" yes, but if you want to compare "squads" it's all the same shit. We're slightly better but at the end of the day they're all average as hell.

Red Alert wrote:

Unique wrote:

Red Alert wrote:

Stop trying to put words in my mouth. I'm still blaming Rodgers.

Why would I blame Klopp if he has to fix Rodgers' mess? The players aren't good enough. Not mentally, or physically.

again I will ask you as you seem to dodge the question. does Liverpool have better players than west brom Newcastle and Watford yes or no.

How in gods name is

hen these players played shit at the start of the season you blamed it all on rodgers. Now they are playing shit under klopp you blame the players. You can't have it both ways either it's all down the the players witch means klopp and Rodgers gets a pass. Or its just bad coaching that's the problem.

a question?

We have better "players" yes, but if you want to compare "squads" it's all the same shit. We're slightly better but at the end of the day they're all average as hell.

but as you have just finely admitted we do infact have better players than the champion ship fodder that are out playing us and out fighting us week in week out. so you also have to look at the management. we play with a back 4 and 3 mf players that are far better defending than they are creating. yet we look like giving a goal away every time the other team attack. it was like that under Rodgers and its the same under klopp. do we look any better at defending free kicks and corners under klopp. nope we don't. you don't need world class players to be organised at set plays or hard to break down. you need good coaching.