Wanted to open up the debate here.

It is likely we will be purchasing De Gea, either this window, next or for free in summer. On the other hand Navas is a capable keeper, obviously not in the same class as DDG though so the question is: Do you feel it is necessary to splash the cash now, pay a considerably decreased fee in winter or wait until he is free in the following summer?

Thoughts

Said somewhere in this section but why not say it again. Navas, to me, is good enough to start for Madrid. He is a quality goal keeper that has shown it at Levante and the World Cup. He rarely started last season due to the Iker but I think we don't need De Gea.

Which has always struck me as a glamour signing. Replacing one legendary Spanish keeper with another up and coming Spanish keeper.

I swear to god I was just about to open a thread about this issue. I'll just post away here what I had planned to say:

With every each game passing I become more and more convinced that De Gea, though tremendously talented, is probably not needed at Madrid. And that Navas is just as good.

Now is probably too late to pull the plugs on the deal, it would be unfair to De Gea who has fulfilled his end of the bargain to join us. It would be cruel to just ditch him and leave him in Manchester under the orders of a sick-minded manager.

But on the other hand, what about Navas? The guy is playing really well, all while being grounded and he's too good to play second fiddle to De Gea. So no matter how you spin it, you end up being cruel to either Navas or De Gea.

So the question is what would you do if you were in charge? Leave De Gea to be torn to shreds under Van Gaal and stick to Navas? Or Sign De Gea and send Navas

I don't think you are giving De Gea enough credit here. He is a well established talent and would surely improve our team. Not to discredit Navas because he is a fine keeper but were talking about probably one of the top 3 definitely top 5 keepers next to Navas who honestly idk how I would rate him.

"need" is not the right word. De Gea is without a doubt better than Navas, who is decent himself. But De Gea is top 5 in the world.

Navas and Casilla are good enough

But De Gea is an upgrade from both lets not forget.

its only two games in, the "do we need de gea now" discussion should happen when we're like in the middle of the season, (if we don't sign him). not every game will be like betis, and keylor, casilla or whoever will have bad days. the de gea thing has now moved from football to etiquette of some sort.

we started it, the idea was that iker was leaving, so we sounded out de gea and jorge mendes. assuring them both we'll get a deal done. now as a result of that, he hasn't signed a new contract and united has frozen him out. we'll have to sign him, if not before this window ends, then the next....hell, we started the chain of events, besides, its tough to have a guy like de gea available and not make the move

oh and if (i hate "ifs" but whatever) that gijon chance had gone in last week, this thread might become 'we need to sign de gea now, pleaaase'

The point of the thread is to have a discussion. If we are mid season and are dropping points because of Navas, that won't be a discussion.

Besides, it is going to happen it is just a matter of when, so lets talk out the best case scenario before it plays it self out.

Are you saying we shouldn't sign De Gea if we have the opportunity now?

My opinion is that while Navas is certainly capable and at times looks brilliant, DDG is a clear upgrade in ability not to mention De Gea has 4 years on Navas.

If we can, I say pull the trigger now. It will not be the end of the world if we wait until next summer but it will be pointless and almost detrimental to push for a winter signing.

You upgrade everything you can within the concept of the team. So it's a no-brainer to me.

It looks like it is about to happen (as it has all summer, but now we are really in the final stages) and the amount quoted is 40m. If true that is way too much for a keeper in the final year of his contract, regardless of the player.

So if this really is the case (before I didn't know the figure), honestly I would rather wait united out. We could invest that 40 in a decent backup striker and another midfielder or center back, or back up left back.

The team is relatively thin in areas, GK is not necessarily one of them.

i hope its not for 40 million. too much for a goalkeeper, especially considering he's almost out of contract and has been treated like absolute horse crap by his manager. i'd like us to get him at the cheapest price possible, just as a big 'f-you' to van gaal

btw, when utd wanted to offer de gea a better and longer contract, van gaal who was new at the time actually opposed it cos he didn't think de gea was worth that...its a bit ironic, he preferred navas

Madrid inflating market prices insanely yet again. Started with Bale, then James and now De Gea. All we need is to pay 60+ mil for a defender and we've covered every area on the pitch

@sportsczy, considering we shelled out 30 mill for coentrao and i think about 30 for danilo, i'd say yes, sadly, we have covered every area of the pitch

30 million for Pepe as well. Back in the day, we shelled out 25 mil for Flávio Conceição too. Madrid has been inflating this bich for years now.

Ronaldo's transfer in 09 destroyed the market

De Gea will be announced on Monday 31 August

yes we do, just i have had enough of short gks. Navas is very good, but De Gea is world class and will make a difference on corners and free kicks for us, aspects that hold us back in CL and against quality teams.

This is off-topic, but I'm really hyped about playing as Real Madrid on FIFA 16 now lol. Casillas and Navas are both frustatingly incompetent, outright burdens in FIFA 15. They've been frustrating me since the game was released.

On-topic: Needless to say, I really don't understand why Real Madrid are in such a hurry to sign De Gea. Flopz is supposed to be a brilliant businessman, as far as I'm concerned that's his only positive quality. I don't see how forking out such a massive sum for a player who's on the last year of his contract makes any sense, when they already have two goalkeepers that are more than decent enough as a temporary solution.

I Don't know how I feel about this subject tbh. On one hand I'd love to get DDG but on the other hand our defence is capable to protect our GK so I don't think we need the best goalie to succeed. We won the double with Iker and Navas is no Lopez (Although I rate Casilla higher than Navas)

If there was any guanrantee that DDG would sign with us next season I say leave it till next summer. Barca won the league with Bravo as their goalie making occasional great saves. Didn't need to be WC to do them

Valkyrja wrote:Ronaldo's transfer in 09 destroyed the market

i know this is off topic, but i think cristiano's deal can't necessarily be categorized as destroying the market. yeah the price was too high, but considering his resume, his age, the club we were buying him from, his value in terms of sponsorship, and coming off the back of two successive ucl final trips, utd would have been foolish to accept less. guys like pastore, coentrao, a bunch of manchester city trasnfers, and us too, destroyed the market

halamadrid2 wrote:I Don't know how I feel about this subject tbh. On one hand I'd love to get DDG but on the other hand our defence is capable to protect our GK so I don't think we need the best goalie to succeed. We won the double with Iker and Navas is no Lopez (Although I rate Casilla higher than Navas)

If there was any guanrantee that DDG would sign with us next season I say leave it till next summer. Barca won the league with Bravo as their goalie making occasional great saves. Didn't need to be WC to do them

the problem with leaving it till next year is, with the treatment utd have given him, he's sure not to sign an extension, however, other teams are bound to get in touch with him, and unless we have agreed a deal with him,(NOT a verbal agreement, but a written one, approved by him, us and jorge mendes) there's the risk of some other team hijacking our move. people are already complaining about ter stegen, you can imagine barcelona feeling smart cutting their loss and trying to stick it to us; buffon isn't getting any younger though i doubt he'd want to go there, but a chain of events seeing sirigu move there, and psg throwing $ at de gea and mendes is another hypothetical scenario we might want to watch out for....leave it till next year, then all the cards are in de gea's hands...or worse he becomes a bit garbage cos of rust and no playing time

titosantill wrote:

Valkyrja wrote:Ronaldo's transfer in 09 destroyed the market

i know this is off topic, but i think cristiano's deal can't necessarily be categorized as destroying the market. yeah the price was too high, but considering his resume, his age,  the club we were buying him from, his value in terms of sponsorship, and coming off the back of two successive ucl final trips, utd would have been foolish to accept less. guys like pastore, coentrao, a bunch of manchester city trasnfers, and us too, destroyed the market

I'm not saying he wasn't worth the money. He was worth every penny of it and maybe more. But related to the fees that players were bought for pre 09 it was huge. Enormous actually. A twenty four years old Ronaldo in today's market would easily be worth more than 150m, perhaps around 200. I mean nobody would accept to sell him for less when the likes of Sterling and De Bruyne go for 50-60m pounds and they are not even half the player Ronaldo is, who is a generational player. He is also a money making machine. Even a 30 yo CR is worth 100 in today's market.

I think De Gea is definitely better than Navas, but is he 40 millions better? I think we should wait and sign him on a free deal next summer.