farfan wrote:who isn't on sale  in Monaco ?

i'm not that big on Martial but a direct swap with Lolrente is a steal for Juve .

if i'm Monaco i'd request a Caceres + Lolrente type deal .

Farfan, tell me more about Kondogbia and Imbulla. Their strengths and weaknesses, please.

it also makes no sense for a defensive team that relies on fast counters to trade a fast , explosive , young forward for a player who's 10 years older and 10 times slower .

farfan wrote:it also makes no sense for a defensive team that relies on fast counters to trade a fast , explosive , young forward for a player who's 10 years older and 10 times slower .

Agreed.

Definitely Di Fraudzio on this one

GDM says Inter could close the deal for Miranda by Thursday.

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Giovedì l'@Inter conta di chiudere per @miranda023 dell'@Atleti #calciomercato @SkySport

Dodo-JJ-Miranda-Jonathan Inter going for dat poor man's Brazil

Laudisa: Milan want Luiz Adriano to accompany Ibra and JM

Isnt he a free agent?

Jack-Luiz

what a nightmare

S wrote:Isnt he a free agent?

His contract expires next December, Milan might pick him up on the cheap

Honestly, i don't think we need any more strikers if we're getting Ibra and JM. It just seems excessive and counter intuitive to go after Luiz Adriano.

El Shaarawy wrote:Looks like you got your wish S

Juve after Kurzawa

Juve working on the sale of Llorente to Monaco

Where did you read that we're after Kurzawa? I heard we want Fabinho

El Shaarawy wrote:

S wrote:Isnt he a free agent?

His contract expires next December, Milan might pick him up on the cheap

Honestly, i don't think we need any more strikers if we're getting Ibra and JM. It just seems excessive and counter intuitive to go after Luiz Adriano.

i don't believe that neither Ibra or Luiz Adriano will come TBH

but if it somehow does happen and Ibra AND Luiz signed for Milan , one thing is certain

El Shaarawy will be sold . I am already scared what may happen if the Ibra comes as well , because of the sporting side of things , how Ses will adapt to the new standards , formation play , playing time e.t.c

If Luiz and Ibra somehow happen , we can honestly wave goodbye to SES really

Casciavit wrote:

farfan wrote:who isn't on sale  in Monaco ?

i'm not that big on Martial but a direct swap with Lolrente is a steal for Juve .

if i'm Monaco i'd request a Caceres + Lolrente type deal .

Farfan, tell me more about Kondogbia and Imbulla. Their strengths and weaknesses, please.

Imbula is very offensive minded , a good dribbler capable of making amazing runs and is very adept at  swiftly  transitioning from Mid to Attack .
weaknesses  ? severe inconsistency , frequent  cases of headless chicken syndrome , prone to losing the ball in deadly positions, has tendency to keep the ball for too long sometimes when better options are available .

Kondogbia is a central / box to box midfielder who's also capable of playing DM  in front of the defense if needed ( he's pretty meh when restricted to  that position imo ) .
decent tackling , good  short range distribution and passing , very good at retaining possession under pressure  , nice long distance shot etc...

as for weaknesses ( if you consider this a weakness ) , i'd say it's the fact that he's a too much of a  generalist and not a specialist at anything  .

not defensively solid enough to hold a midfield by himself .
not fast enough to break lines and track back at the same time  without some assistance .
not technical enough to dictate the play  like a Verratti , don't expect Pirloesque long passes from him or defense splitting through passes .

Dante wrote:

El Shaarawy wrote:

S wrote:Isnt he a free agent?

His contract expires next December, Milan might pick him up on the cheap

Honestly, i don't think we need any more strikers if we're getting Ibra and JM. It just seems excessive and counter intuitive to go after Luiz Adriano.

i don't believe that neither Ibra or Luiz Adriano will come TBH

but if it somehow does happen and Ibra AND Luiz signed for Milan , one thing is certain

El Shaarawy will be sold . I am already scared what may happen if the Ibra comes as well , because of the sporting side of things , how Ses will adapt to the new standards , formation play , playing time e.t.c

If Luiz and Ibra somehow happen , we can honestly wave goodbye to SES really

Its perfectly possible to play SES in a 4-3-1-2, as exemplified in the first half of the 12/13 season where he played alongside Pazzini. However, the only way for him to play there is if Ibra is shifted to the 10 role, behind the strikers (which i would like to see) i don't know if Sinisa will try it out or not. But i can see it working, with JM pulling defenders away, Ibra pulling the strings and SES getting some freedom. I don't think that he'd be sold, but if we get a 3rd striker, then that might be a tangible, unfavorable, but tangible reality unfortunately

El Shaarawy wrote:

Dante wrote:

El Shaarawy wrote:


His contract expires next December, Milan might pick him up on the cheap

Honestly, i don't think we need any more strikers if we're getting Ibra and JM. It just seems excessive and counter intuitive to go after Luiz Adriano.

i don't believe that neither Ibra or Luiz Adriano will come TBH

but if it somehow does happen and Ibra AND Luiz signed for Milan , one thing is certain

El Shaarawy will be sold . I am already scared what may happen if the Ibra comes as well , because of the sporting side of things , how Ses will adapt to the new standards , formation play , playing time e.t.c

If Luiz and Ibra somehow happen , we can honestly wave goodbye to SES really

Its perfectly possible to play SES in a 4-3-1-2, as exemplified in the first half of the 12/13 season where he played alongside Pazzini. However, the only way for him to play there is if Ibra is shifted to the 10 role, behind the strikers (which i would like to see) i don't know if Sinisa will try it out or not. But i can see it working, with JM pulling defenders away, Ibra pulling the strings and SES getting some freedom. I don't think that he'd be sold, but if we get a 3rd striker, then that might be a tangible, unfavorable, but tangible reality unfortunately

yes , but with Ibra , JM and supposedly Luiz , Ses wouldn't even play 15 games a season as a starter and that's why i think he would be sold

in any case , say he somehow stayed . I've seen this around tbh , like people think Ibra could play 10 , behind JM and Ses. I fully disagree with this really , not only Ibra would never agree to it but if you think Ibra is going to run his socks around to feed Ses goals ... not happening , anywhere and for no reason. Ibra as a 10 will be bad for many more reasons as well that i can't be bother to analyse right now ... like his poor off the ball movement away from the box , or generaly adding additional duties in his game will only hit his A game.

Ibra is creative and intelligent as a CF ; that doesn't mean he can do AM justice , nor that he would like to do so . It doesn't work like that , at the very least i think it won't work .

If we do go 4-1-2-1-2 , then like i've said in the past , Ses only way is to go centrally and play AM , behind the strikers. Elsewise i am pretty sure he will get sold if we do stick with the diamond formation next season. SES isn't meant for the bench and even if he finds himself benched whilst being healthy next season , it's only going to be the definitive bye bye really

We either utilise Ses , either with formations and style of play that suits him , or we lose the lad tbh. As far as it is just Jackson , then there's nothing to be worried about. If Ibra returns , things will get complicated for Ses and he will have to adapt . If L. Adriano comes , forget about him , he's off to somewhere else really , i am dead certain about this

No playing time , no belief in him having bought all these forwards , no room for his favourable positions.. If 4-1-2-1-2 becomes the reality for Milan , it's either he becomes a 10 and good at that , or he's benched next season and sold by next summer .

I remember he played one game as 10 under Allegri. It was against Novara in 11-12. He did very well , scored one and was dangerous , but so much have changed since then. I used to think he would naturally evolve into a 10 really , but he seems to have evolved into a second striker if anything , he cares much more to score than to create a mess for the opposite defence

let's see , but i am quite worried what will happen with Ses , even though i do wish Ibra returns anyway

Ibra doesn't even run as a CF lol, either way he won't be running his socks off for any player, it'd be SES and JM running their socks off for Ibra's balls. If Urby can play at that role, i'm sure Ibra can do an amicable job. Also, SES' creative aspect is lacking for him to succeed behind the strikers atm, his skillset is more suited for a striker or a pseudo winger/striker (ala CR, Sanchez, etc)

Anyways, i'm pretty sure Ibra won't be deployed behind the strikers in reality. Its just me theorycrafting^

well , Urby played the position , he never really played it well . If we are to just try to fill in names in the lineup that's another case , creating a formidable team is something entirely different. Ibra is no 10 and that's that really.. What i tried to point out is that , Ibra could maybe play the position and maybe pull it off in a few games ... but you don't get Ibra to play him behind the strikers , he's one of the best strikers you could possibly have , playing him out of position to fit Ses in is madness and personally , i don't think that's a good idea at all

Not to mention , Ibra as AM will be like Rui Costa v Kaka again, very quickly despite his quality passes people will be fuming for someone who will make runs and not just take walks waiting for the ball and that's exactly what Ibra would be doing and it wouldn't be good as far as play goes.

AM is more dependand now on athleticism than ever before , not even going to talk about how they must actually help in defending here and there , giving such duties to Ibra is like asking for him to have a bad time on the pitch

In any case , Ibra knows his job and can still pull amazing stuff even as CF , you don't actually need to play him further away from the box to do what he does. He takes the freedom to place himself accordingly when he feels he has to and it works, playing him deeper will only make things difficult for him . In any case , Ibra is Ibra because he's a striker and amazing at that , not because he can pass well , certainly not known for his ability to play other roles well. I mean , it's one thing when the game is going a certain way and Ibra falls deeper to try and work around it and quite another to have him 90m week in week out trying to create chance after chance. He won't be half the player he is doing this , imho .

As for Ses , i agree , he doesn't seem to be a good fit for AM currently , like i said , that's something i used to expect but obviously Ses became more of a SS than anything else. Maybe there's still chance doe , who knows

Point being , we may actually find out if Ibra comes and i don't know what to think of this. I certainly hope we won't have problems with Ses in the end , but the Ibra 10 stuff with JM and SES in front of him , i will have to see it to believe it. Much , much more likely he gets benched and who knows what after , or he adapts and becomes an AM.

I still think a counter attacking diamond with Ses AM would rekt , just like Kaka used to , especially with quality forwards who don't need a ton of chances.. but for this to work , we would need some serious midfielders and defence behind Ses-Ibra-JM .

idk what will happen , but i am willing to bet money , Ibra AM will never happen at Milan , especially here with Presidente ( ) wanting his Ibra-man playing striker . no.way. , i am sure of this

Ibra already has a massive MLS contract lined up after his contract is over at PSG... so don't delude yourselves on that one because his wage is apparently going to be equal or more than what he's making at PSG. it's about the money for him at this stage. Wants to cash out as much as he can.

El Shaarawy wrote:Anyways, i'm pretty sure Ibra won't be deployed behind the strikers in reality. Its just me theorycrafting^

yeah i know man , just saying myself

sportsczy wrote:Ibra already has a massive MLS contract lined up after his contract is over at PSG... so don't delude yourselves on that one because his wage is apparently going to be equal or more than what he's making at PSG. it's about the money for him at this stage. Wants to cash out as much as he can.

we'll find out won't we?

farfan wrote:who isn't on sale  in Monaco ?

i'm not that big on Martial but a direct swap with Lolrente is a steal for Juve .

if i'm Monaco i'd request a Caceres + Lolrente type deal .

Jardim actually named 5 players that would come back for sure:

"I know about everything that could happen," he told L'Equipe. "I would just like it all to be done with as soon as possible.

"With [vice-president and CEO] Vadim [Vasilyev] and [technical director] Luis [Campos], it was quite clear: Bernardo Silva and Martial will stay, as will [Nabil] Dirar, [Danijel] Subasic, [Andrea] Raggi, Elderson and [Jeremy] Toulalan.

"All the others could leave for financial reasons. When a player leaves, we will buy another, that is why scouting is fundamental in our strategy."

http://www.goal.com/en/news/11/transfer-zone/2015/06/10/12584902/tottenham-target-martial-going-nowhere-insists-monaco-coach

Dante wrote:

sportsczy wrote:Ibra already has a massive MLS contract lined up after his contract is over at PSG... so don't delude yourselves on that one because his wage is apparently going to be equal or more than what he's making at PSG. it's about the money for him at this stage. Wants to cash out as much as he can.

we'll find out won't we?

It's always been about the money for him since the start. What makes you think he'll suddenly change now?

The fact that he didn't want to leave Milan and Galliani forced him out lol?

Thats why, he 'doesn't pick up the phone' when Galliani calls

Anyways, time will tell

I am not indicating he's going to change or have a change of heart , or that he has Milan in his mind. But he would still be making really good money in Milan anyway ; and that if he does indeed leave PSG this summer , Milan is a very likely destination for him , MLS and moneys and what not

I for once think he ain't returning to Milan , but rulling it out completely? No.

And if we are to believe the man , he wants to enjoy himself wherever he is and he did greatly enjoy his time with Milan , so . We'll see i guess , nothing is certain , specially because of just money reasons. Sure he won't get 12-15 whatever he earns these days , but 7-8-9m would still be great money for someone at 34 , soon to be 35 and aspiring to be competitive even during his twilight years.

So no , difficult as it may prove to be , it's not out of this world that Milan gets Ibra back this summer . But i reiterate , i don't actually believe it will happen anyway .

El Shaarawy wrote:The fact that he didn't want to leave Milan and Galliani forced him out lol?

Thats why, he 'doesn't pick up the phone' when Galliani calls

Anyways, time will tell

Galliani forced him to leave because he couldn't afford to continue paying his wages and Ibra refused to take a pay cut... he was making over 9 mil need i remind you. Ibra wanted to stay on his existing contract.

sportsczy wrote:

Dante wrote:

sportsczy wrote:Ibra already has a massive MLS contract lined up after his contract is over at PSG... so don't delude yourselves on that one because his wage is apparently going to be equal or more than what he's making at PSG. it's about the money for him at this stage. Wants to cash out as much as he can.

we'll find out won't we?

It's always been about the money for him since the start. What makes you think he'll suddenly change now?

He'll do what's best for his family, Ibra himself realises he's reached a new stage in his career.