Re: The Official Rodgers Out Thread

[Unique]

I think we have a decent shot at top 4 next season we just need a couple of players that can score.

BUT HOW ARE WE GOING TO COMPETE?

OUR WAGE BILL IS THE FIFTH HIGHEST IN ENGLAND

WE CAN'T FINISH IN THE TOP 4

what does that have to do with it.

[Curtinho]

I think we have a decent shot at top 4 next season we just need a couple of players that can score.

BUT HOW ARE WE GOING TO COMPETE?

OUR WAGE BILL IS THE FIFTH HIGHEST IN ENGLAND

WE CAN'T FINISH IN THE TOP 4

We spent most of the season competing for the top 4. Rodgers is a good enough manager to take us there with the right players. Obviously the odds are going to be against us since the other teams are already better and have more money to spend, but the potential is there.

[DeletedUser#1]

^ we were never in the top 4 for then entire season. How the hell does it count as competing ? Potential is literally the wet dream buzzword of Rodgers/FSG sheeps.

[Unique]

I think we have a decent shot at top 4 next season we just need a couple of players that can score.

BUT HOW ARE WE GOING TO COMPETE?

OUR WAGE BILL IS THE FIFTH HIGHEST IN ENGLAND

WE CAN'T FINISH IN THE TOP 4

We spent most of the season competing for the top 4. Rodgers is a good enough manager to take us there with the right players. Obviously the odds are going to be against us since the other teams are already better and have more money to spend, but the potential is there.

the problem is Rodgers buys the wrong players.

[iftikhar]

So he is staying. If it's for next six months, a season or for a period longer than that; remains to be seen. I would say FSG has taken a big gamble (bigger than it was when they hired him) and Rodgers has received a copious slice of luck. What to do with this, is entirely up to him.

I feel there's just two ways for him, from here on. Either he will improve rapidly and progressively and establish himself as a very good manager or he will end up as an average manager within six months.

[Curtinho]

In 3 years Rodgers has finished 7th, 2nd and 6th. All improvements over the previous years except this year (and all things considered, 6th is not nearly as bad as it could have been). He brought in players like Can, Sakho, Coutinho, Sturridge, Moreno, (whom might I add most of you really like having on the team) and gave real chances to Henderson, Sterling and Flanagan. He got the most out of a declining Gerrard (for one season anyway) and he got the most out of Suarez to power us into a title chase that was the most exciting football we've played in recent memory.

I get that you guys feel a bit bummed out because he couldn't follow up on such an extraordinary season, but there were A LOT of factors at play. Has he had some transfer flops? Sure, but he's also hit some homeruns. You guys clamour for Klopp and Rafa because of transfers but how many transfer flops have they had in the last few years? Probably just as many.

It seems like you guys just want to dramatize everything that happened under Rodgers, when the reality is (all things considered) he's done a fine job so far. Next year is his real test and it always should have been, and the owners know that. End of.

[DeletedUser#1]

6TH NOT AS BAD AS IT COULD HAVE BEENE LMAAAOOOOO


SO YOU EXPECTED US TO FINISH BELOW SOUTHAMPTON ??? after spending 50m on their players and Rodgers calling them a small club last summer ?

ROFDL

[Curtinho]

Since when does saying it could have been worse mean I expected it to be?

[Art Morte]

Rodgers is staying, so maybe we should stop arguing so much about him, for now. Nothing can be said what hasn't already been said. All we can do is wait and see what he does with his second chance.

[Red Alert]

Jan 22, 2015:

Rodgers: "Next season we will be able to challenge for the league again."

Post match Norwich:

"Rebuilding"

FML

[Red Alert]

REBUILDING 4 SEASONS IN BY THE WAY

I CANT DEAL

LITERALLY IN THE SAME TIER AS MOYES, MARTINEZ AND AVB. GET *bleep*. $(@&(&*@$^$*@

[iftikhar]

Dear Mr. Rodgers,

Please just quit.

Regards,
Iftikhar

[Red Alert]

In our last 21 games, we have only scored more than one goal twice.

[Helmer]

I really hope we get Carlo !

[Sri]

Liverpool section is not fun any more

[Red Alert]

The whole section is not fun any more.

The whole general section is just "banter" does anyone even talk about football anymore?

I mean you get the the whole Messi vs Ronaldo debates here and there, but most of the threads in the GS section it is pretty much a chat room. The Liverpool section has gone really quiet cause Rodgers has turned out to be shit and no one can admit they were wrong. Did I just go there.......?

[Sri]

Oh god let's not get started on the Messi/Cronaldo crap. That's a big reason why I used to abstain from the GS! If anything, there is lesser of that shit now.

[Hapless_Hans]

You have to assume that the Everton game might be a deciding moment for Rodgers, no?
We could see a guy in grim reaper costume sitting in the stands

[Unique]

You have to assume that the Everton game might be a deciding moment for Rodgers, no?
We could see a guy in grim reaper costume sitting in the stands

villa up next. they have beat us in the last 3 I think. now watch us smash them into next week so Rodgers gets more time.

[Hapless_Hans]

What I meant is, if Rodgers is on the brink, a game like Everton where a bad performance and result has a lot of symbolic meaning too would make sense as a deciding point.

Meaning if Villa and the EL game aren't good, and you lose at Everton..

You don't want to fire your manager of 3+ years who's done some really good things after some EL game or Aston Villa.
You'll want to fire him after a loss against your city rivals.

[Unique]

What I meant is, if Rodgers is on the brink, a game like Everton where a bad performance and result has a lot of symbolic meaning too would make sense as a deciding point.

Meaning if Villa and the EL game aren't good, and you lose at Everton..

You don't want to fire your manager of 3+ years who's done some really good things after some EL game or Aston Villa.
You'll want to fire him after a loss against your city rivals.

I have a bit of a dilemma. I would never want Liverpool to lose a game. but 3-4 wins will see Rodgers keep his job for another season.

[McAgger]

What I meant is, if Rodgers is on the brink, a game like Everton where a bad performance and result has a lot of symbolic meaning too would make sense as a deciding point.

Meaning if Villa and the EL game aren't good, and you lose at Everton..

You don't want to fire your manager of 3+ years who's done some really good things after some EL game or Aston Villa.
You'll want to fire him after a loss against your city rivals.

maybe back in the day when Liverpool has some standards still.

We lost to our biggest rivals United pretty embarrassing.

This following up Midtablers West Ham, Palace, and Stoke all 3 absolutely humiliating us.

There's no accountability or expectation at the club.

I don't know why I bother, I can't help it.

[Unique]

http://metro.co.uk/2015/09/23/liverpool-fan-hilariously-fails-at-trolling-owners-wife-linda-pizzuti-henry-over-ancelotti-5405030/

[Red Alert]

"No matter how much longer I'm here I have great respect for them [FSG]"

HES FEELING IT HARD

[Red Alert]

http://www.lfc.pl/files/pdf/2015_09_25_times.pdf

Fenway Sports Group had an ambitious vision for Liverpool, but its policy is stuttering
‘The model” as it became known was non-negotiable. A director of football was an absolute
requirement. In the transfer market, “short-term, quick fixes” and overpaying for players were
out of the question. A “talented young manager” was appointed to “instil a philosophy”.
Almost five years on from the purchase of Liverpool by Fenway Sports Group (FSG), all that
remains of that blueprint is Brendan Rodgers. Given what was the model, it is not looking
good.

Perhaps partly because he represents the last vestiges of the vision that they arrived with,
Rodgers is yet to be dispensed with by FSG in the same manner as Damien Comolli, the
director of football that they appointed, although there is no question that his position is
subject to heightened consideration. Presiding over a run of form that has seen Liverpool win
five matches out of their past 15 means that Rodgers can have few complaints about the
mounting pressure that he is coming under, particularly with Jürgen Klopp and Carlo
Ancelotti being available.

Having his tactics criticised, his signings rubbished and his approach questioned has become
as much a part of the Liverpool manager’s daily routine as taking training at Melwood. There
is no escape from the spotlight. But for all the scrutiny Rodgers is coming under, much of it as
justified as it is inevitable, the question of whether the club he manages are giving him, or his
potential replacements, the best possible chance to succeed is in danger of being lost in the
clamour for change.

The focus on FSG and the decisions that it has made has become minimal. There is, though, a
sense that Liverpool, on the pitch at least, are back to square one under their ownership. The
league position they occupy, 13th, is only five places and two points better than it was in
October 2010 when the American investment vehicle bought one of world football’s most
famous clubs.

Then, their arrival came after an ignominious exit from the League Cup at the hands of
League Two opposition, Northampton Town, a repeat of which was narrowly averted on
Wednesday when Liverpool scraped past Carlisle United on penalties.

Just as Roy Hodgson, the manager FSG inherited, was beleaguered in 2010, Rodgers is under
pressure in 2015. What took place in the intervening five years, save for a remarkable and
wholly unexpected title challenge in 2013-14 has been wholly underwhelming: a single
trophy - the Carling Cup in 2012 - and Champions League qualification achieved once.
Financial stability off the pitch, something that should not be underestimated, has not been
followed by success on it.

“Most of all, we want to win,” John W Henry, Liverpool’s principal owner, once stated. “That
ambition drives every decision. It is the Liverpool Way.” It may have been once but whether
that is still the case is a moot point. Recently, Liverpool enlisted Ask Ten, an international
leadership consultancy, whose website presents a case study of how a global football brand
can “obtain commercial success off the pitch when the team is not performing on the pitch”.
As an indication of where Liverpool are, it is compelling.

Were it not for the implications it would have for his job security, Rodgers would be entitled
to cite the restrictions that he works under in mitigation. In the recent past, he has claimed that
“fifth is par” for Liverpool, an argument that does hold weight when one considers that they
have the Premier League’s fifth biggest wage bill, its fifth largest revenue and, when the
redevelopment of Anfield is complete, they will have the country’s fifth biggest stadium. The
problem for Rodgers is that last season Liverpool did not achieve that limited objective and
they are several shots over par this season. That is why his job is in jeopardy.

Regardless of Rodgers’s failings, FSG needs to ask itself whether or not it has given him the
best possible opportunity to deliver. If it is as honest as it was when Henry used an open letter
to Liverpool fans to admit that mistakes had been made, it will acknowledge that its
shortcomings, revolving primarily around an inconsistent approach with numerous deviations
away from the course that it intended to follow, has not created the ideal conditions for any
manager, particularly a relatively inexperienced one, to thrive in.

The transfer committee system that replaced the director of football template that was initially
implemented has misfired. The idea of sharing votes on potential new signings between the
manager, recruitment staff and executives may be democratic and reflect a desire to provide
checks and balances, but its implementation has resulted in no one involved getting exactly
what they want.

While Rodgers has been able to sign players such as Christian Benteke and Nathaniel Clyne
as his first-choices, he has previously been prevented from pursuing interest in Ashley
Williams and Ryan Bertrand. For their part, the committee, and particularly the owners, have
been frustrated at the way that Rodgers has deployed signings that they have prioritised, with
Lazar Markovic and Mamadou Sakho being two of the most obvious examples. That
disconnect has been apparent from the summer that Rodgers took over as manager when he
blocked a move to sign Daniel Sturridge from Chelsea only to backtrack the following
January in the wake of pressure from FSG.

It is that dysfunction in their relationship that is at the heart of everything that is going wrong
at Liverpool. Rodgers has long harboured doubts about whether he can succeed given the
conditions that he works under, while FSG has had its own concerns about the Northern
Irishman’s willingness to work collaboratively. Those mutual misgivings coupled with
Liverpool’s slump mean that Rodgers is at growing risk of being replaced. Should either
Klopp or Ancelotti succeed him, “the model” will be gone for good.

[iftikhar]

Dear Mr. Rodgers,

Please leave.

Regards,
Iftikhar

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