I got thinking about Chelsea's youth set up and how much it is improving, anyway, I was curious to see what every club's team would look like if they could only field players who have been through the youth system at their club.

Now, let me define what I mean by that; Any player who has played for a youth team at your club for any period of time, before the age of 20. Players who played for the first team but not the youth team before 20 do not count either.

Therefore Fabregas can qualify for both Barca and Arsenal setups but Courtois cannot qualify for Chelsea and Paul Pogba qualifies for Utd but not Juve.

Here is Chelsea:

Before you ask, Lukaku spent part of 11/12 season playing for the reserves, so he qualifies.

That is one GK and a DM away from being a solid team, imo.

EDIT:
After a discussion with Franchise, I thought I would add a team which follows the current EPL ruling; for a player to qualify as homegrown, they must have spent three seasons with the club before their 21st birthday. So if you would prefer to do it this way, that is fine too.

Chelsea:

Bench: Diego Lopez, Kilo Casilla Sarabia, Granero, Soldado, Joselu, Morata, Derik Osede, Alvaro Medran, Parejo, Juanfran, Casemiro, Rodrigo

I might have missed someone so if anyone remembers someone else.....

pls

Dat back line ffs

Cambiasso >>> Borja

FC Schalke 04:

Manuel Neuer
Hoogland - Höwedes - Ayhan - Boenisch
Matip - Kolasinac
Draxler - Özil - Meyer
Avdijaj*

(Donis Avdijaj is the next big talent from the Knappenschmiede and possibly the first top striker. If you think he is too fresh, one could also put Alexander Baumjohann who is AM there, even though it's not so fitting).

Imagine if we actually kept our players

WEll, Schalke could say that, too.

Yeah Schalke have a strong offense not sure on the defence though, doesn't Boenich play CB for Leverkusen?

Im going to be that guy to complain about the criteria.

Lukaku counting as a Chelsea youth...

I saw the dude in the Europa league ruining 30 year old grown men for Anderlecht

Just like counting Cambiasso for Madrid would be equally baffling. And counting Filipe Luís because he was on loan for a 30 something games lol

This has to be more strict for it to really make sense surely?

halamadrid2 wrote:Yeah Schalke have a strong offense not sure on the defence though, doesn't Boenich play CB for Leverkusen?

Sebastian Boenisch is originally a LB, but as many German players he can play other positions, too.

My Inter lineup including only players grown in our Youth Team.
So I can't insert Coutinho or Kovacic.

Bardi
Santon Bonucci Andreolli Donati
Benassi Crisetig
Biabiany Pandev Balotelli
Destro

Bardi=Chievo starter , on loan from us, Santon=Newcastle starter= , Andreolli = back to Inter as reserve,but he was a solid starter to Chievo for years, Bonucci=Juventus starter, Donati = B.Leverkusen starter, Benassi =Torino now, Crisetig=Cagliari starter this year, Biabiany=Parma starter,Pandev=Galatasaray starter now but solid starter  for years in Serie A, Balotelli =well,we all  know him well  , Destro = AS Roma starter
I could put Caldirola, Werder Brema starter in place of Andreolli , or Obi ( reserve here ) in place of Benassi or Crisetig
Basically we ' d make a good Serie A with this team

Cambiasso didn't play for our youth team so he can't be counted. We sent him away to get experience instead

Filipe Luis played a season with us but we didn't excersise the buy option so I suppose you can exclude him too but he played as many games as Messi did for Barca B/C so to speak

@ rwo, I see

Game's played for Barca B is surely irrelevant when he came to us at 12 years old.

He was so good, he didnt need to play for them for long. He went from Juvenil B to first team debut in like a calendar year

Luis was with you, an incredibly small amount of time for his youth career.

He didn't play for anyone else's B team besides ours(and his first club) iirc through. We sent him back to Flamengo(?) and they sold him to Deportivo's first team

I don't know what we are basing the selection on, just figured they'd have to have played at least one full season for one of your youth teams hence why I had Luis there and not Cambiasso despite Cambiasso being our player for nearly 8 or so seasons and Luis only one

BTW, the cool thing about Schalke is that in their current BL team, they play

Ralf Fährmann
Ayhan - Matip - Santana - Höwedes
Kolasinac - Neustädter
Sam - Meyer - Draxler
Huntelaar

with the bold players their own youth products. (Schalke have a very good GK output, too - Lars Unnerstall, Christoph Heimeroth and Lukas Raeder are also Schalke products and currently contracted with top-flight clubs)

halamadrid2 wrote:

Iker
Carvajal-Llorente-Nacho-Filipe Luis
Borja-JRod
Callejon-Mata-Jese
Negredo

Bench: Diego Lopez, Kilo Casilla Sarabia, Granero, Soldado, Joselu, Morata, Derik Osede, Alvaro Medran, Parejo, Juanfran, Casemiro, Rodrigo

I might have missed someone so if anyone remembers someone else.....

Luis was 20 when he joined.

Fußball wrote:

Valdes
Montoya Pique Bartra Alba
Busquets
Xavi Iniesta
Munir Messi Pedro

pls

I was expecting that. Also think Arsenal and Man U should produce good teams.

rwo power wrote:FC Schalke 04:

Manuel Neuer
Hoogland - Höwedes - Ayhan - Boenisch
Matip - Kolasinac
Draxler - Özil - Meyer
Avdijaj*

(Donis Avdijaj is the next big talent from the Knappenschmiede and possibly the first top striker. If you think he is too fresh, one could also put Alexander Baumjohann who is AM there, even though it's not so fitting).

Schalkes team makes me sad they struggle to keep their stars.

The Franchise wrote:Im going to be that guy to complain about the criteria.

Lukaku counting as a Chelsea youth...

I saw the dude in the Europa league ruining 30 year old grown men for Anderlecht

Just like counting Cambiasso for Madrid would be equally baffling. And counting Filipe Luís because he was on loan for a 30 something games lol

This has to be more strict for it to really make sense surely?

I knew someone would complain, my thread, my rules (Even if I bend them a bit to make my team better,)

Spoiler:

No, your right you can keep it. I was just saying. More strictness gives us more meaningful results.

As for Luis, he was at his first club for 8 years, then played 2 first team seasons on top of that according to Wiki. Then 3 for another first team.

Played for Ajax on loan during this time also.

Overall I just meant, surely the point of this is about what your club actually does in terms of youth players and what kind of players they are responsible for producing.

For me, a good criteria would include something like...if the player already played first team football for another club, they cant be considered a "youth player" of yours. So like Barcelona wouldnt include Hailovic because in all reality we have basically done nothing to this point in his development and he is already a first team player, or would be normally.

The Franchise wrote:Overall I just meant, surely the point of this is about what your club actually does in terms of youth players and what kind of players they are responsible for producing.

Well, even though Schalke are not "my club", I posted an article about their youth academy here: http://www.goallegacy.net/t35103-knappenschmiede-schalke-s-youth-academy

The Franchise wrote:Overall I just meant, surely the point of this is about what your club actually does in terms of youth players and what kind of players they are responsible for producing.

For me, a good criteria would include something like...if the player already played first team football for another club, they cant be considered a "youth player" of yours. So like Barcelona wouldnt include Hailovic because in all reality we have basically done nothing to this point in his development and he is already a first team player, or would be normally.

Development does not stop once they've reached the first team, though.

So what if a promising youngster played a first team game at 15 in the Serbian second division, he then transfers to a big club where he joins the youth teams, does he count as a first teamer?
I wouldn't say so, I'd say he is a youth player who has a lot of room to develop.

Shalke have a tremendous reputation. I have seen a couple of online seminar's in regards to coaching and I have copied and adapted a few of things they do myself.

High regard for them.

Kick wrote:

The Franchise wrote:Overall I just meant, surely the point of this is about what your club actually does in terms of youth players and what kind of players they are responsible for producing.

For me, a good criteria would include something like...if the player already played first team football for another club, they cant be considered a "youth player" of yours. So like Barcelona wouldnt include Hailovic because in all reality we have basically done nothing to this point in his development and he is already a first team player, or would be normally.

Development does not stop once they've reached the first team, though.

So what if a promising youngster played a first team game at 15 in the Serbian second division, he then transfers to a big club where he joins the youth teams, does he count as a first teamer?
I wouldn't say so, I'd say he is a youth player who has a lot of room to develop.

Of course it doesnt, but you have to stop somewhere. Can you imagine calling 27 year old Keita a Barca youth? Obviously not, but he "developed" alot after joining Barca.

I think every situation is different and we just have to use some common sense.

Sure, the 15 year old you mentioned has alot of room to devolp. But he already "made it" without the help of the big club. They will improve him (or maybe not depending on where he went) but whatever second division club he played for should get the "credit".

Its always a tricky discussion, because it very possible and sometimes probable that even that 2nd division Serbian club is relatively big and they took this imaginary player from another smaller club.

The Franchise wrote:

Kick wrote:

The Franchise wrote:Overall I just meant, surely the point of this is about what your club actually does in terms of youth players and what kind of players they are responsible for producing.

For me, a good criteria would include something like...if the player already played first team football for another club, they cant be considered a "youth player" of yours. So like Barcelona wouldnt include Hailovic because in all reality we have basically done nothing to this point in his development and he is already a first team player, or would be normally.

Development does not stop once they've reached the first team, though.

So what if a promising youngster played a first team game at 15 in the Serbian second division, he then transfers to a big club where he joins the youth teams, does he count as a first teamer?
I wouldn't say so, I'd say he is a youth player who has a lot of room to develop.

Of course it doesnt, but you have to stop somewhere. Can you imagine calling 27 year old Keita a Barca youth? Obviously not, but he "developed" alot after joining Barca.

I think every situation is different and we just have to use some common sense.

Sure, the 15 year old you mentioned has alot of room to devolp. But he already "made it" without the help of the big club. They will improve him (or maybe not depending on where he went) but whatever second division club he played for should get the "credit".

Its always a tricky discussion, because it very possible and sometimes probable that even that 2nd division Serbian club is relatively big and they took this imaginary player from another smaller club.

Which is why I made the ruling for it reasonably loose but before their 20th birthday.

The problem with being strict is that is disqualifies a lot of players and where do you cut it off?

One season at youth level? two? three or even their entire youth career?

This way, more players can technically apply to more clubs.

I suppose the current EPL ruling of 3 seasons at the club before their 21st birthday could be fine.

How far back can we go? Because for Arsenal, I could put down players from the 70s and 80s:


If I just include players from the last ten or so years that have made first team appearances for Arsenal or other clubs, it's not a great side: