if you don't see the financial difference between the clubs you need to open up your eyes..

what atletico spent in one transfer season after selling half their team was the same amount you spent on bale..
or how much we spent on suarez.

Donuts wrote:if you don't see the financial difference between the clubs you need to open up your eyes..

what atletico spent in one transfer season after selling half their team was the same amount you spent on bale..
or how much we spent on suarez.

This!!!

Atleti is spending after 3-4 seasons of cashing in. RM is making history for the first time in years where they don't spend really big.

True Barca have a ban, but if you divide the spending in two, you'll get about 30-40 mil, which barca almost regularly spends on transfers for years now. When did Atleti spend 30-40 mil in transfers consistently?

halamadrid2 wrote:Atleti also make less revenue than us, therefore the margin between profit and loss will be smaller. Giving them more money from tv deals won't change a thing imo

Oh and don't be ridiculous everyone have to sell to buy. Don't let the summer of 2009/2010 cloud your judgement where we took out a loan. last season we had to sell ozil to balance our books and this season DiMaria etc. Of course we can give higher wages but that's because we taie 50% of these players image right and so earn money that way

boo hoo, you sold Ozil for 40 to buy 90-100 mil player. What is the difference there?

You are delusional in this point.

lol hala pls stop..
Simeone "we can't compete with Madrid/Barca in financial terms"
is 100% accurate as you said so yourself you guys make more revenue then they do, you guys spend more then they do.

at this point your just disagreeing to disagree..
two of your players cost more then atletico's team x4

So can someone tell me. Is Varane injured or what's up? Why is the boy not a starter on that team?

Those two clowns in his way?

Is this a situation where Pepe is actually doing okay, but Ramos is Ramos and dropping him would cause alot of controversy. Not like before when you could sit Pepe's crazy ass down because..he's crazy.

that right dani ramos has been more garbage of the 2 but he can't be dropped

Atleast Mou had the balls to play Varane, which is one the only thing I'll praise from his time at Madrid, even though it could be too much at times. Ancelotti seems like he wants to avoid conflict, even though Varane is clearly better than Ramos and Pepe.

True. But tbf to Carlo, Mourinho's choice was alot easier because Pepe looked worse than he does now and IIRC he had some injury problems. So, it was easy to take him out for the superior Varane.

Now, Carlo would have to take out Ramos because its him who looks the worse of the two (him and Pepe) defensively.

Its a harder thing to do. Maybe Mourinho would have done it, he did take out Iker after all, but still its a different choice right?

Lets be honest he ain't all that defensively and I'm deadly serious.

Because he's the poster boy of young defenders most of the errors he makes gets ignored.... If Ramos or Pepe did what he did against Hummels during the World Cup there would be a never ending discussion about how they are crap.

Also don't know why anyone is surprised, been saying since day 1 that Carlo won't start him. He just doesn't start kids when there's an even reliable option with experience available.

I was told nah its because he's injured he'll start when fit It's just who it is, he did the same at PSG with Alex and Sakho. ( another defender I find highly overrated but he's much better than Alex)

There's probably many more examples of it too tbh.

Dem feels

This Madrid derby is a great match. Started off with a bang.

That RM marking for Atl's opener though

Boom! atletico scores 1-2. 14 mins plus stoppage time remaining

FT. RM 1-2 Atletico.

James Rodriguez for €80 million

That World Cup hype...

he could replace Di Maria they said... he would be worth it they said..

Can't defend Benzema anymore. He is either not interested in playing for Madrid(Why sign 5 year contract then?) Or he just wants to be a passenger.

James was awful. But it's not his fault he is being asked to fill Di maria's boots. I don't know if people watched him at Porto and Monaco. But he is not the sort of player who would bust a gut for the team. He is like Ozil but a poor version, although versatile. If Perez wanted a 10, why did he sell Ozil in the first place?

The pivot is the worst part of the side. Kroos-Modric once again failed to perform together. Lack of chemistry? perhaps. But how can you press so badly as an individual? Kroos as Alonso's replacement sounded good on paper because they are both good long passers. But Kroos has none of Alonso's positional sense nor he is as comfortable playing as a regista. Kroos is much better in a forward role as he plays for Germany. Deeper, he gets ruined everytime but a better team. Bayern Vs Madrid last season.

Lol at benching Isco after the sociedad game. I guess he didn't cost 80m to warrant a start.

I can't see Madrid winning the league this season either at this rate. It would take something of a drastic change in the side and level of performance.

What a beautiful day

halamadrid2 wrote:The only way we will win things this season is if Carlo benches one of Perez' favourites and all those favourites were bought for large sums so if they do get benched Perez will become a laughing stock, so I cant see that happening

Illarra must have robbed Carlos house or something, the guy is going out of his way to not play him. Well newsflash he is the only CDM we have so PLAY HIM.

We have absolutely no creativity, as I said DiMaria was our creative player last season. This season we have none. I don't know whether to blame Carlo with Perez or not

The only way we'll win the league this season is if Carlo is fired. This guy has no idea what it takes to win a competitive league. He fluked one with a legendary Milan team and won one by default with PSG

Anyway on the pitch this loss is on Iker, Benzema and Carlo. Bale wasn't far behind either although he was double teamed the whole game, but this isn't the first time he's gotten this treatment from Atleti either, he needs to handle it a lot better.

this loss is on iker?

the first goal was far from his fault lmao it was a 3 yard goal... what do you expect him to do? he stared down benzema and ronaldo for their shit marking and rightfully so but those two can't be criticized oh surely not the board would go crazy if they were.

second goal atletico scored ramos and pepe both were just hanging out next to iker rather then you know actually defending...

RealGunner wrote:Can't defend Benzema anymore. He is either not interested in playing for Madrid(Why sign 5 year contract then?) Or he just wants to be a passenger.

Business as usual from Benzemalo tonight. He'll look great against Getafe at home though so all will be forgiven among his followers.

RealGunner wrote:James was awful. But it's not his fault he is being asked to fill Di maria's boots. I don't know if people watched him at Porto and Monaco. But he is not the sort of player who would bust a gut for the team. He is like Ozil but a poor version, although versatile. If Perez wanted a 10, why did he sell Ozil in the first place?

The pivot is the worst part of the side. Kroos-Modric once again failed to perform together. Lack of chemistry? perhaps. But how can you press so badly as an individual? Kroos as Alonso's replacement sounded good on paper because they are both good long passers. But Kroos has none of Alonso's positional sense nor he is as comfortable playing as a regista. Kroos is much better in a forward role as he plays for Germany. Deeper, he gets ruined everytime but a better team. Bayern Vs Madrid last season.

Individually all the players you mentioned were OK. The issue is clearly a collective one where the overall team approach is currently non existent. Doesn't help when you have a perfectly decent DM in Illarra and you don't use him.

RealGunner wrote:Lol at benching Isco after the sociedad game. I guess he didn't cost 80m to warrant a start.

Isco wasn't very good tonight and he wasn't good against La Real either. He keeps the ball fantastically well but his decision making is two seconds too slow.

RealGunner wrote:I can't see Madrid winning the league this season either at this rate. It would take something of a drastic change in the side and level of performance.

A change in the man in charge on the dug out might help.

Donuts wrote:this loss is on iker?

the first goal was far from his fault lmao it was a 3 yard goal... what do you expect him to do? he stared down benzema and ronaldo for their shit marking and rightfully so but those two can't be criticized oh surely not the board would go crazy if they were.

second goal atletico scored ramos and pepe both were just hanging out next to iker rather then you know actually defending...

He was getting booed by Bernabeu tonight, so even they noticed how meek he was. A total non factor who just stands on his line all game doing nothing when his team mates are all over the place.

He's the captain as well so he theoretically should be a calming influence. Instead the team has their hearts in the their throats on every set piece because they know Iker isn't going to do a single thing to stop the ball from coming in.

All those Madrid fans that said ya'll lost to Atleti because ya'll didn't care about the Super Cup...so what's your excuse this time? Do ya'll also don't care about the league?!

Ancelotti: “When you lose a goal at the near post it’s the keeper’s fault”. -AS