Didnt put this in the Juve section because I figure 90% of Juve fans, just like any other team, would want our guys to be at the WC this summer. So does Tevez deserve to be called up by Argentina? Llorente for Spain? Could they start?

are they better than their competition?   

Tevez would be a decent option on the bench. But he won't start over Messi, Higuain and Aguero.

Llorente will most likely get called up along with Negredo.

I like Tevez, however, he scored against Chelsea too often for me.

Tevez hasn't been called up for Argentina since 2011 and he will 100 % not be called up to the World Cup because he's a dressing room cancer.

Llorente could make the squad.

That dressroom thing ffs he has been nothing short of amazing for Juve and in our dressroom all players like him and they all hang out ffs. And tbh yes he deserves because he has been nothing short of amazing this year for us

Tevez, no. He may be a great player but time and time again he has caused off field disruptions at Argentina and it's not like Argentina reallllly needs him. They have Messi, Aguero, Higuain and Palacio, even if Tevez was there he would be sitting on the bench. Would be high risk but low reward taking him.

Llorente on the other hand does deserve a place over that scrub named Torres.

Tevez things he is better than Messi . In national team he is in the space Messi wants to play . The clown should know his limitation . He vision is poor . He is third tier striker for argentina . He shouldn't be in the plane to Brazil . Lorente might be going to Brazil .

DeviAngel wrote:That dressroom thing ffs he has been nothing short of amazing for Juve and in our dressroom all players like him and they all hang out ffs. And tbh yes he deserves because he has been nothing short of amazing this year for us

Well, in the Argentina dressing room he is not liked from what I know. There seem to be some bad vibes between him and Messi in particular and Messi is pretty much the coach.

It's not the dressing room he has an issue with, it's the president of the FA. Grondona has a grudge against Tevez.

In any case it's better this way. Tevez in Argentina is too popular to bench, so as soon as he gets called up the entire press will pressure Sabella into starting him. And we have seen half a million times that Tevez and Messi don't play well together. So if he's not a bench player, and he's not happy being one, then he shouldn't get called up. No reason to screw up a working group.

Llorente could get called up, but I don't really think 10 good games is enough reason. If I were Del Bosque I'd take Paco Alcacer over him, they've both been playing well for about the same amount of time but Alcacer is highly promising and, since neither is likely to play, could gain far more from the experience of going to the WC.

every squad who play 1 striker in its scheme will only carry 3 max. If you play 2, you carry 4.

Argentina plays 2... so the 4 players called are: Messi, Aguero, Higuain and Lavezzi

Spain plays maybe 1 They often go 9,5 there: Costa, Negredo and Cesc

If a players wasn't called in this last friendly round for anything other than injury or fatigue, the chances are slim he will be called for the WC squad.

Yes. Spain should dump the 9.5 bit and Fab at the back.

They should go with Llorente, Costa & Negredo. If they want to play the whole False 9 but, Llorente gets dumped.

Argentina, should go with atleast Tevez, Higuain & Aguero are pure ST's. Messi, Di Maria, Pastore, Lamela, Gaintan, Lavezzi can compete for the WIngs or No.10 positions. They are all rounders.

I will go with Messi, Lavezzi, Di Maria, Lamela/Pastore/Gaitan, Higuain, Aguero, Tevez.

I would suggest a 4-2-2-2

Say

Ageuer Tevez/Messi/Higuain
Lavezzi/Di Maria Lamela/Pastore/Messi

You can alternate. Play Messi in the Attacking 2 behind the 2 ST's or go with Aguero-Messi and Lavezzi/Di Maria behind them.

You get more options with Tevez and he is one of the most popular characters in Argentina.

Like people have pointed out, Argentina have a lot of firepower even without Tevez. He's a brilliant player, though, and having a strong season. Personally I would be tempted to take him on top of Messi, Aguero and Higuain, but I guess it's not going to happen.

As for Llorente; aren't Negredo and Costa above him? And if so, does Spain really need three strikers like them? I wouldn't take him if the other two are fit.

that too... Costa, Negredo and Llorente all have the same profile and Llorente is ranked 3rd on that list. No way he goes imo.

Spain isn't going to get away from the 9,5. Costa struggled with the quick passing in his first NT game and Negredo isn't the best at it either. I think that Cesc is going to be the starter when it's all said and done.

Llorente has no chance in my opinion. Costa, Negredo and Fabregas are ahead of him. Tevez is a different case, he might deserve a place but then if he's not liked in the dressing room you might aswell not include him.

Is Spain really going to go 4-6 again with Fabregas as the false 9?

argentina lack of creative midfileder, not striker

messi should play in front, not as a midfield

that place belong to roman

Forza wrote:Is Spain really going to go 4-6 again with Fabregas as the false 9?

I dunno, have they got a better option? Not just attacking wise, but if Fabregas as false 9 helps them keep more of the ball, it helps out their suspect defense, too.

Llorente's more proven than Costa and he's a slightly different player. They'll go with Llorente, Negredo and then maybe Fabregas as false 9.

lol at the comments for Tevez being third tier and Higuain a starter lmao

It's not about who's better. They're different profiles. Higuain is more of a poacher/finisher, Tevez is an SS that participates more in the buildup. Tevez would be competing for a spot with Aguero, only that Aguero can actually not get in Messi's way whereas Tevez can't. It's a no-brainer.

Palacio is the one competing with Higuain.

Tevez has been blacklisted for calling out Messi for not caring about Argentina, which he does not.

Tevez deserves a place on the Argies team,this talk of him being a cancer is rubbish, that was the past the guy is maturing and I doubt that presently he would want to start over Messi, but am sure this would likely be his last world cup and he'd be content having a feature even off the bench for it,

but to take Lavezzi and Palacio over Tevez is a big insult really, they should give tevez a chance by calling him in friendlies then explaining to him his role in the team now......

Llorente i feel deserves a call up too he could be useful, but with Costa and Negredo ahead of him I dunno am sure he'd just be happy to be part of the team even if he doesn't feature much....

elm_baraja_shaman wrote:Tevez deserves a place on the Argies team,this talk of him being a cancer is rubbish, that was the past the guy is maturing and I doubt that presently he would want to start over Messi, but am sure this would likely be his last world cup and he'd be content having a feature even off the bench for it,

At the Copa America:

Tevez: Everyone is passing the ball to Messi but not to me!
Batista: Yeah, because he's Messi...
Tevez: So? I'm Tevez

Right he knows his place

BarrileteCosmico wrote:

elm_baraja_shaman wrote:Tevez deserves a place on the Argies team,this talk of him being a cancer is rubbish, that was the past the guy is maturing and I doubt that presently he would want to start over Messi, but am sure this would likely be his last world cup and he'd be content having a feature even off the bench for it,

At the Copa America:

Tevez: Everyone is passing the ball to Messi but not to me!
Batista: Yeah, because he's Messi...
Tevez: So? I'm Tevez

Right he knows his place

that was the past, am sure he will be content with a bench feature  since this could be his last world cup....