Re: 'Football from the 19th century' - Mourinho hits out at West Ham tactics

by Helmer Thu Jan 30, 2014 11:42 am

Everyone busrting out here on this thread Laughing

no one said thanks to BeautifulFootball for creating this thread.
Thank you BeautifulFootball

by baresi Thu Jan 30, 2014 12:10 pm

Pedram wrote:I'm surprised at Mou's lack of football knowledge, football was actually more offensive in the 19 century, line ups like 2-4-4 existed at that time.

I was actually thinking the same, wasn't it the era with no offside rule and games ended with like 10 goals?

by fatman123 Thu Jan 30, 2014 12:26 pm

Not even nearly the same, everytime Mou parks the bus he has the intention of playing on the counter and winning the game, something West Ham had no interest in doing, they were happy to play attack v defence for 90mins and had absolutley zero intention of scoring a goal in that game.

I find it more funny that so few people acknowledged that 19th century football had one or two defenders at best, not 9 like West Ham did today, but thats typical GL logic on display there

by The Franchise Thu Jan 30, 2014 12:37 pm

Mourinho teams have done that plenty of times, you have no legs to stand on here.

by the xcx Thu Jan 30, 2014 12:38 pm

Lord Spencer wrote:The hypocrisy level in Mou's statement is over 9000.

Not only is this "19th Century" tactic a regular tactic Mou employes, but it was also a characteristic of Chelsae's 2011 CL win. It was also the case for most of Mou's matches against Barca with RM. As I stated before, I respect a massive defensive effort, and I said so about Chelsae's 2011 CL win, Inter's great match against Barca with 10 men, and even Greece's 2004 Euro triumph.

However, when someone has the audacity of slamming another team for playing very similar tactics to his own is just plain hilarious. It screams of a privileged attitude

It was just one game, might need to recheck your sources.

by Beautiful Football Thu Jan 30, 2014 12:38 pm

fatman123 wrote:Not even nearly the same, everytime Mou parks the bus he has the intention of playing on the counter and winning the game, something West Ham had no interest in doing, they were happy to play attack v defence for 90mins and had absolutley zero intention of scoring a goal in that game.

I find it more funny that so few people acknowledged that 19th century football had one or two defenders at best, not 9 like West Ham did today, but thats typical GL logic on display there

If mourinho can park the bus with 500 M team , so can West Ham. Of course Mourinho's team are/were more talented.Have/ had some talented player to make counter attack. Who West ham have?

if Mourinho can park the bus with Ronaldo,Ozil and Play Ramos in Midfield to stop opposition. What do you expect from west ham?

This is exact same.

by Onyx Thu Jan 30, 2014 12:42 pm

This isn't the first time Mourinho's complained about a team parking the bus. Then again he said say it was 'maybe' acceptable since West Ham needed points.

by Red Alert Thu Jan 30, 2014 12:46 pm

Honestly, who the hell cares? And why are people making this is a big deal?

You don't have to rate Mourinho as a manager. But Mourinho isn't an idiot; you just have to look at what he has won. Yes Mourinho is a defensive coach, but he tries to go out and get the 3 points on the counter. West Ham didn't do that. So it's a different case.

His comments are hypocritical, but they're well thought out. Chelsea should be beating West Ham at home 10 times out of 10. They didn't get the result, so he puts the distraction of the result on West Ham. No one is talking about Chelsea dropping points here, everyone is talking about Mourinho being a hypocritical "c*nt" rather than his teams dire performance which takes the pressure off his team.

You just have to look at Mourinho talking about Arsene's Arsenal, calling them a "boring" team because they didn't score at the Emirates. Again, he takes the pressure off his own teams performance, and puts the blame on the opposition. It's a smart psychological tactic. He takes the media pressure off his team, and puts it on himself. And let's be honest, does Mourinho honestly care what others think of him?

by Lord Spencer Thu Jan 30, 2014 12:47 pm

fatman123 wrote:Not even nearly the same, everytime Mou parks the bus he has the intention of playing on the counter and winning the game, something West Ham had no interest in doing, they were happy to play attack v defence for 90mins and had absolutley zero intention of scoring a goal in that game.

I find it more funny that so few people acknowledged that 19th century football had one or two defenders at best, not 9 like West Ham did today, but thats typical GL logic on display there

It was Mou who aid West Ham played like a 19th century team, not GL.

by Sri Thu Jan 30, 2014 12:51 pm

Unbelievable, how there are always people standing up to defend him. Unsurprising too, though I must add.

I did the same in standing up to defend Wenger when GL created a shit storm over his comments on Mata. Pellegrini saying the same thing didn't matter, as sensationalist headlines grabbed the front pages and fuelled the witchhunts. Maybe my judgement is coloured, but I don't see much of the same this time around.

Fact remains, however, that I dislike Mourinho (to put it very mildly) and his hypocrisy hasn't helped that one bit.

To each his/her own. :coffee:

by Red Alert Thu Jan 30, 2014 12:54 pm

I've defended Wenger numerous times in the past too...

by Beautiful Football Thu Jan 30, 2014 12:59 pm

Red Alert wrote:Honestly, who the hell cares? And why are people making this is a big deal?

You don't have to rate Mourinho as a manager. But Mourinho isn't an idiot; you just have to look at what he has won. Yes Mourinho is a defensive coach, but he tries to go out and get the 3 points on the counter. West Ham didn't do that. So it's a different case.

His comments are hypocritical, but they're well thought out. Chelsea should be beating West Ham at home 10 times out of 10. They didn't get the result, so he puts the distraction of the result on West Ham. No one is talking about Chelsea dropping points here, everyone is talking about Mourinho being a hypocritical "c*nt" rather than his teams dire performance which takes the pressure off his team.

You just have to look at Mourinho talking about Arsene's Arsenal, calling them a "boring" team because they didn't score at the Emirates. Again, he takes the pressure off his own teams performance, and puts the blame on the opposition. It's a smart psychological tactic. He takes the media pressure off his team, and puts it on himself. And let's be honest, does Mourinho honestly care what others think of him?

Did you read my above comments. West Ham are not as talented as Mourinho's Current/old team to make counter attack.They have no choice. If Man U or any other top team parked the bus then its different story.At least he cold say something.Its normal for lower table team to park the bus. And of course Chelsea should win at home.

So when Mourinho talk shit it means smart psychological tactic.Come on this is getting old.Even 10 years old boy can figure this out.

by Lex Thu Jan 30, 2014 1:03 pm

the xcx wrote:
Lord Spencer wrote:The hypocrisy level in Mou's statement is over 9000.

Not only is this "19th Century" tactic a regular tactic Mou employes, but it was also a characteristic of Chelsae's 2011 CL win. It was also the case for most of Mou's matches against Barca with RM. As I stated before, I respect a massive defensive effort, and I said so about Chelsae's 2011 CL win, Inter's great match against Barca with 10 men, and even Greece's 2004 Euro triumph.

However, when someone has the audacity of slamming another team for playing very similar tactics to his own is just plain hilarious. It screams of a privileged attitude
It was just one game, might need to recheck your sources.

Why so defensive? You're a City fan now.......

by Red Alert Thu Jan 30, 2014 1:03 pm

Whatever floats your boat, dude.

You obviously have an agenda against him, and that's fine. You have the right to your own opinion. But this is quite clearly a distraction off the Chelsea performance/result.

by Lex Thu Jan 30, 2014 1:05 pm

Either way, Mou sounds ridiculous

by Red Alert Thu Jan 30, 2014 1:09 pm

Yes, but that's the whole point.

Everyone is talking about Mou being a hypocrit rather than focusing on Chelsea's performance. Which is fine with Mourinho because his ego doesn't care what others think of him.

by Lex Thu Jan 30, 2014 1:12 pm

But Mourinho talking about ultra defensive football will just remind people that his team plays the same at times, so it doesn't draw attention away from the players. If anything, it highlights how Chelsea play the same style of football Mou is complaining about, while making Mou look like a spastic

by Red Alert Thu Jan 30, 2014 1:15 pm

Yes Mourinho is a defensive coach, but he tries to go out and get the 3 points on the counter. West Ham didn't do that. So it's a different case.

by Beautiful Football Thu Jan 30, 2014 1:16 pm

Red Alert wrote:Whatever floats your boat, dude.

You obviously have an agenda against him, and that's fine. You have the right to your own opinion. But this is quite clearly a distraction off the Chelsea performance/result.

Poking cancer patient, Talking Uefa against him and then when lower team park the bus you mock them(he does exact same things) criticizing Arsenal not scoring at home(And he does exact same thing).No reason to like him. I only open this thread ,because no one even noticed it. If it was pep or Wenger i guess Goal Legacy woluld explode. This is Mouronho so its ok.

by futbol Thu Jan 30, 2014 1:17 pm

Didn't watch the game but 39 shots and 0 goals according to Whoscored. Laughing

by Red Alert Thu Jan 30, 2014 1:19 pm

None of the shots were that threatening, but that's just watching the highlights and not the game.

by the xcx Thu Jan 30, 2014 1:21 pm

That lecture of how to play football again Laughing

Fix your grammar first son.

by halamadrid2 Thu Jan 30, 2014 1:48 pm

Red Alert wrote:
Yes Mourinho is a defensive coach, but he tries to go out and get the 3 points on the counter. West Ham didn't do that. So it's a different case.

do you think Mou coaches teams who have to rely on Downing, Carlton Cole or Diame or something??? The guy always has WC players on his teams yet they always play like shite hanging on a stick

"but he tries to counter" you know Laughing

by harhar11 Thu Jan 30, 2014 1:49 pm

the xcx wrote:
Lord Spencer wrote:The hypocrisy level in Mou's statement is over 9000.

Not only is this "19th Century" tactic a regular tactic Mou employes, but it was also a characteristic of Chelsae's 2011 CL win. It was also the case for most of Mou's matches against Barca with RM. As I stated before, I respect a massive defensive effort, and I said so about Chelsae's 2011 CL win, Inter's great match against Barca with 10 men, and even Greece's 2004 Euro triumph.

However, when someone has the audacity of slamming another team for playing very similar tactics to his own is just plain hilarious. It screams of a privileged attitude
It was just one game, might need to recheck your sources.

Not true. Pretty much every game against barca he had a defensive approach to the game. After the clasico marathon in 11, even C.ronaldo came out and criticized Mourinhos approach.

Sure, he didnt always play as defensive as west ham played last night, but thats simply because he had a team that was a million times more talented..

by Lord Spencer Thu Jan 30, 2014 2:17 pm

the xcx wrote:
Lord Spencer wrote:The hypocrisy level in Mou's statement is over 9000.

Not only is this "19th Century" tactic a regular tactic Mou employes, but it was also a characteristic of Chelsae's 2011 CL win. It was also the case for most of Mou's matches against Barca with RM. As I stated before, I respect a massive defensive effort, and I said so about Chelsae's 2011 CL win, Inter's great match against Barca with 10 men, and even Greece's 2004 Euro triumph.

However, when someone has the audacity of slamming another team for playing very similar tactics to his own is just plain hilarious. It screams of a privileged attitude
It was just one game, might need to recheck your sources.

Yes it was Laughing

With all due respect, you are delusional if you think otherwise.
(not saying it is a wrong tactic, just saying that it is hypocritical to say it is a wrong tactic when you use it so much)

by Harmonica Thu Jan 30, 2014 2:32 pm

“Good old Jose, moaning again. He can’t take it can he. He can’t take it because we’ve out-tacticed him, out-witted him. He just can’t cope. It’s brilliant when you get a result against him! I love Chelsea moaning.”

- Sam Allardyce

Laughing

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