1991 wrote:
http://www.lfchistory.net/Transfers/ByManager/25-1

 Of the £212M spent on 25 players, I'd say Sturridge & Coutinho are the only outright successes, with Lallana and Moreno in the 'will probably turn out well' category.

After that its a mix of 'meh' (Allen, Mignolet etc) and a gang of fails.

Can't imagine the Liverpool sugar daddies being happy with investing all that money and still being mid table. Rodger's jobs on the line & he knows it.

First off who is midtable? We barely lost out on the title last I heard. This season is very very early to make any sort of ultimate judgements on.

And secondly Lazar, Ilori, Emre Can, Manquillo, Alberto, Origi and even Yesil are way way way too young to call them flops just yet. They've barely played for us ffs.

But the fact that you are sitting and calling players like Mario, Lovren and Lambert flop signings after 6 games goes on to tell me everything I need to know about your knowledge on the matter.

The only flops at this point you could actually say are Borini, Aspas, and Assaidi.

Moses, Sahin and Cissokho are the others who flopped but they were all loan signings so who cares.

Allen, Mignolet, Sakho, and Kolo have been up and down but far from flops.

Balo is a SS first and foremost. He's having a very identical season to Suarez' first at the club. We're trying to make him someone he's not right now. Give him time / wait for Sturridge to come back (so he can go back as the SS and not entirely as a CF) and ease the pressure off of him because he really can't trust his teammates in the final third, and the midfielders have no chemistry with him at all.

@James: Bit rich at how your favorites "barely played for us" but you throw Borini/Aspas/Assaidi under the bus. lmao

Is he a fraud carried by Suarez and Sturridge?

imo he was a fraud carried by Kolo and Flanagan.

Got too big for his boots last season on the strength of a world class player who carried the team, a player who reinvigorated his team mates and struck fear on oppo players. Suarez masked his innadequacies basically and this season he is being found out.

Had no other commitments other than concentrate on the league.

Hasn't got a clue on how to build a defence or work out a way to stop set piece goals.

Generally poor when it comes to transfers and targets.

This season he is struggling due to amount of games played, the fact that his tactics have been found out and has no plan B, thrown Balo under the bus already, continually changing players at the back, is running Sterling to the ground and has been cornered to a position where he is ultra reliant on an injury prone striker to save the season, because he chose to use funds for squad depth rather than buy a world class striker to replace Suarez and to ease the burden on young Sterling.

Basically, he is struggling badly/ cracking under the pressure.

It's normal. He's a young, good manager who is inexperienced when it comes to this level of expectations...especially after season Liverpool has just had.

I think all great manager win also because they have great players, so I wouldn't fossilize much on Suarez/Sturridge . Pellegrini had top players in all the roles, I mean. And Suarez and Sturridge improved under him , I don't think it was a acase

Rodgers is a tactician, Suarez didn't carry us at all last season, transfer market last seaon was the best we've ever had and Red Alert is a clueless twat. We're going to win the league. Gifted 3 points from QPR because fate is on our side. Liverpool.

^can agree with only one part of that whole para

https://i.imgur.com/qYzh2g2.jpg

Did not know they paid that much for Joe Allen and Markovic. Besides the Lallana price tag, I think it's decent investments made.

And let's not forget they sold/lost the best player of last years PL season, Suarez for 80m €.

According to transfermarkt, Rodgers net spend 57m €, 15m€, and 59m € respectively. That's 131m for 3 seasons.

Manchester United net spent more than that this summer alone, and 275m € for the last three seasons. That's more than double.

City net spent 155m € in that time,  Chelsea 145m, Arsenal 112m.
That while Chelsea and City were on sprees the years before.

So that's not unreasonably much, and for example Sturridge for 15m € is a veritable steal.

Tottenham however have net spent less than 10m € last three years put together. They might actually not be getting enough credit for their accomplishments

Very hard to give credit to Tottenham when they continue to be Tottenham.

Hapless_Hans wrote:And let's not forget they sold/lost the best player of last years PL season, Suarez for 80m €.

According to transfermarkt, Rodgers net spend 57m €, 15m€, and 59m € respectively. That's 131m for 3 seasons.

Manchester United net spent more than that this summer alone, and 275m € for the last three seasons. That's more than double.

City net spent 155m € in that time,  Chelsea 145m, Arsenal 112m.
That while Chelsea and City were on sprees the years before.

So that's not unreasonably much, and for example Sturridge for 15m € is a veritable steal.

Tottenham however have net spent less than 10m € last three years put together. They might actually not be getting enough credit for their accomplishments

That sad moment when a Bayern fan is doing more to defend Rodgers than any other Liverpool fan right now...

Hapless_Hans wrote:And let's not forget they sold/lost the best player of last years PL season, Suarez for 80m €.

According to transfermarkt, Rodgers net spend 57m €, 15m€, and 59m € respectively. That's 131m for 3 seasons.

Manchester United net spent more than that this summer alone, and 275m € for the last three seasons. That's more than double.

City net spent 155m € in that time,  Chelsea 145m, Arsenal 112m.
That while Chelsea and City were on sprees the years before.

So that's not unreasonably much, and for example Sturridge for 15m € is a veritable steal.

Tottenham however have net spent less than 10m € last three years put together. They might actually not be getting enough credit for their accomplishments

It's not net spending in that graph though, just money spent.

BarrileteCosmico wrote:
That sad moment when a Bayern fan is doing more to defend Rodgers than any other Liverpool fan right now...

He's got Pep Guardiola as his manager, what does he know about manager problems?

Why would Liverool fans defend a manager like delusional idiots if he's clearly very problematic at the moment. His system is shambles and the only thing that works for him (2 up top) he's refusing to do because of stubborness. We're very rightly criticizing him.

He's not Shankly for us to defend him to the death. Boo hoo so he achieved 2nd place last season. At the moment it looks like it was all down to the genius of SAS and not much to do with Rodgers brilliance. Then he went on and spent 130m in the summer on some average players and we are seeing repercussions of that.

Don't tell us when and when not to criticize our manager you pos Hans. Sitting there with Guardiola and Heyneckes as his managers and telling others to calm down.

We would of been called Delusional if we did defend him, what was the point?

Don't call me James wrote:

BarrileteCosmico wrote:
That sad moment when a Bayern fan is doing more to defend Rodgers than any other Liverpool fan right now...

1. He's got Pep Guardiola as his manager, what does he know about manager problems?

2. Why would Liverool fans defend a manager like delusional idiots if he's clearly very problematic at the moment. His system is shambles and the only thing that works for him (2 up top) he's refusing to do because of stubborness. We're very rightly criticizing him.

He's not Shankly for us to defend him to the death. Boo hoo so he achieved 2nd place last season. At the moment it looks like it was all down to the genius of SAS and not much to do with Rodgers brilliance. Then he went on and spent 130m in the summer on some average players and we are seeing repercussions of that.

1. Having Pep as your manager means you know quite a lot about wasting transfer budgets, so I think he can bring his experience in this area to the similarly afflicted Rodgers.

2. Of course he should not be defended to death, but he should at least have enough good will built up that he can blow one season start, especially if you lose your 2 goalscorers.

Liverpool conceded 50 goals last season in 38 games. That's 1.3 goals per game. 10 games have been played this season. How many goals has Liverpool conceded? 13.

What this tells us is that Liverpool are not really defending worse than last season, but more of the same. The problem is the goalscoring and the only solution for that is to wait until Sturridge recovers and the new players develop some sort of chemistry.

BarrileteCosmico wrote:
That sad moment when a Bayern fan is doing more to defend Rodgers than any other Liverpool fan right now...

Well he has to get over himself ffs.

No one wants him sacked, they just want him to stop being so arrogant.

He's been here for 3 years now and he hasn't put a system in place at all. He based it all around one player where it was well known he wanted to leave to go and fight for consistent silverware in Spain.

We're playing like we're being managed by Roy Hodgson ffs. His dealings in the market isn't that great either. He's brought in 25 players, and only 6 of those look like they should of been brought in.

The sooner he stops saying "we're doing well we're just not that lucky" and accepts that he's made mistakes and tries to amend them is when he can get my full backing again. Not when he tries to live off the hype from last season because "SAS" carried his shortcomings.

manager represents the face of the organization, and for that I believe he deserves the respect of the supporters.
It would be wrong to say that BR just relied on the brilliance of SAS alone.

Were it not for him, Liverpool would not have had Sterling , Henderson and Strurridege. This will be his legacy.. he has put together the new face of LFC. Be appreciative of what you have fellas, remember the days when you had Dalglish managing your team?

Going into this season, who really expected Liverpool to challenge for the title? You guys are 4 points away from getting back into the top 4 with 29 more games to play. Sheesh talk about being fickle. I would say you are arms reach of maintaining your goal for the year.

He sort of did rely on SAS though. We conceded 50 goals last season ffs.

Suarez made teams fear Liverpool. Teams sat back against us because of him. That gave space for Sterling, Sturridge and Henderson and co to play their natural game so we were brilliant going forward. Teams know we can't create anything now. We've scored 13 goals in 10 games ffs. The worst part is we're not even challenging the keeper / hitting the bar. We're just not creating ANYTHING and can't get any shots off. We seem content to just keep passing the ball sideways and backwards and then get hit on the counter.

What are you on about? Benitez brought Sterling to the club. Dalglish brought him into the first team. Dalglish bought Henderson. Rodgers wanted to get rid of him for Dempsey from all people. Rodgers did help with their development yes, but they were both going to be great regardless. He did bring Sturridge in, and Daniel done a lot better than I thought he would so kudos to he and Rodgers for that.

Most LFC fans were content with Dalglish managing our team and I don't think any one really wanted him gone. In fact, if he wasn't 60 years of age he probably would've kept the job. FSG were just trying to get us ready for the new era. And if anything, we're playing worse off than when Dalglish was so far this season.

We expected Liverpool to maintain a top 4 finish. We brought a whole lot of mid table players for depth into the club. Our starting XI is worse off from last season. We didn't improve the quality in the team at all.

You can say we're adapting blah blah, but so are Spurs and United. They have new managers, and also have new players too. They have less games which will give them an advantage towards the end of the season. We've had Rodgers for 3 years now. We shouldn't be having to make a new style. We should of had that as advantage over them. But we didn't. And we're going to pay for it.

Arsenalfaithfull wrote:Sheesh talk about being fickle. I would say you are arms reach of maintaining your goal for the year.

First don't generalize us because most of us hold different opinions from each other.

And same could be said with a lot of fanbases here in GL. For example, Arsenal. The amount of stick Arsene gets from many Arsenal fans is unbelievable considering he's an absolutely legend and the greatest manager you have ever had at your club. Something you would not see from us when it comes to Shankly or Paisley or Rafa even. So I ask you, who is really fickle? Aren't all football fans?

on current form Rodgers should be criticized, it doesnt mean he should be sacked. Clearly two different things.
In the current situation, Rodgers has no idea what do with the resources he has. I am guessing (according to his few interviews) he is just trying to get some results by playing some shit football, compromising few things like system-style and relying on the return of Sturridge.
Well in the past also we have coped well with the loss of players for short time or so, doesnt matter if it was Sturridge, Suarez or Gerrard. So eventually, in this season itself he would get it right, but what matters is he needs to do that before it is too late.

Holy shit man. We have had more than 10 new starters this year and a slew of injuries to important players. Regardless of whether or not Rodgers has to change his style he still needs time with brand new players to work them into his system and teach them how to play his style.

People love LvG and look at some of the huge names he has signed and yet still they sit where? Not to mention they had by far the easiest opening schedule to the PL.

Liverpool are sitting 3 points out of 4th place with West Ham and Southampton ahead of them. This is also taking into account having played some of the worst football they've played in the last 2 years, competing in the CL and having lost Suarez plus Sturridge (which is a combined 50+ goals and more assists).

Give it time. There have been positives to our play we're just missing the play in the final third. Even the last few games our defence has been much better (Newcastle only scoring because of an inexperienced mistake by Moreno).

The real test for Rodgers is going to be figuring out how to deal with teams that defend deep and look to hit us on the counter. Since we played Chelsea last season that's what teams have been doing and it works. We have a hard time breaking them down, and because our fullbacks are not great defensively we have a hard time remaining organized on the counters which exposes our central pair (and having someone like Gerrard as our anchor doesn't help either). So Rodgers has to adapt to this, but otherwise the meshing and familiarization of our team is just going to take a bit of time, and if you think about just how young and new our team is that's not something that should surprise you.

But isn't it Rodgers' fault in the first place for bringing in too many footballers on an already winning formula? The only only player he was forced to get let go was Mr. Dracula.

Depth is is good, but what's the point if you don't trust these depth signing to even grind wins for you?

Rodgers didn't trust his 25m signing, Lallana, to come in at the weekend to add creativity when we were badly lacking in attack. Instead he brought on Lambert for Coutinho and sealed the 3 points for Newcsatle. Why the feck else did we buy Lallan for?

That's one example of a recent game, some of his decisions this season have been baffling