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Post by Busby Babe Sat Mar 08, 2014 7:23 am

Instead of making a run for a counter attack Rooney comes towards Kagawa :facepalm:

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Post by RED Sat Mar 08, 2014 7:24 am

I cant stand Michael Owen's voice.
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Post by Busby Babe Sat Mar 08, 2014 7:24 am

His voice is so nasally
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Post by Busby Babe Sat Mar 08, 2014 7:25 am

Main man Rafa, nice block Cool
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Post by RED Sat Mar 08, 2014 7:26 am

Welbeck!!!!!!! 0-3 cheers
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Post by Busby Babe Sat Mar 08, 2014 7:26 am

Nice finish Welbz Cool
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Post by Busby Babe Sat Mar 08, 2014 7:28 am

Only one of RvP and Rooney on the pitch and we look more cohesive in the final third hmm Greatest partnership ever though
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Post by RED Sat Mar 08, 2014 7:30 am

Watch Moyes resort to starting Valencia, Young and Cleverley for the Liverpool match. Just watch.

BB what you said is a scary possibility. Perhaps he is resting them for the more important LFC match.

I swear if he does, he should get sacked before the match.

This is a good win, and we've actually scored more than 2 goals since God knows when. Lets' build on it.
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Post by RED Sat Mar 08, 2014 7:30 am

I'm loving that new Rafael chant. He has been a beats indeed. MOTM
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Post by RED Sat Mar 08, 2014 7:31 am

lmao..Carrick gets MOTM. What the fck did he do this match?

Owen is completely clueless as a pundit/Commentator
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Post by RED Sat Mar 08, 2014 7:33 am

Jones is one fearless defender. A Monster. Only negative for having that trait is that it causes him injuries.

But he literally always puts his body on the line.
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Post by Busby Babe Sat Mar 08, 2014 7:35 am

What? Rafael, De Gea, Smalling and Jones were all better
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Post by Glory Sat Mar 08, 2014 7:41 am

Busby Babe wrote:The funny thing is, did Moyes really pick his strongest line-up or is he just resting Young and Valencia

lol with moyis yaa we never know.
But then again I hope moyes once in a while do behave like how normally humans behave (to at least save his job on this particular occasion) albeit the fact that he lives in a parallel universe where anything shit is rosy.

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Post by Busby Babe Sat Mar 08, 2014 7:43 am

I think he will play one of Valencia/Young against Liverpool Januzaj will get dropped
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Post by RED Sat Mar 08, 2014 7:46 am

Good win. Let's build on and please Moyes, pick this team for the LFC match and stick with it from now until the end of the season.
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Post by Busby Babe Sat Mar 08, 2014 8:02 am

Also, when Kagawa came on he didn't do anything amazing but him giving an option for the short forward pass helps the team. It's something small, but it stops us from shoving it out wide or hoofing it allowing us properly to build attacks through the center.
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Post by Angoulême Sat Mar 08, 2014 8:05 am

So much better today , Raphael was class and didnt put a foot wrong , good solid performance from Fellani , a good day all round .. I just hope Moyes stays positive and doesnt change the team against Liverpool .. More of this please .
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Post by RED Sat Mar 08, 2014 8:18 am

Busby Babe wrote:Also, when Kagawa came on he didn't do anything amazing but him giving an option for the short forward pass helps the team. It's something small, but it stops us from shoving it out wide or hoofing it allowing us properly to build attacks through the center.

It did make a difference to our play, but for it to evolve, we will need to drop RVP, for the team to get used to it. There is no way Moyes will drop him when he is fit, even if it might benefit our gameplan.

This RVP-Rooney partnership is bordering plain comedy right now. Today was like the 4th consecutive game where they've passed to each other like once or twice. It's clearly not working.
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Post by Busby Babe Sat Mar 08, 2014 8:24 am

I'd have a lot of respect for Moyes if he dropped/sold RvP. It would actually look like Moyes had an actual plan, rather than play all the best possible players ignoring how the team plays.

It's also a no brainier Kagawa is 24, while RvP is 30 and injury prone, he needs to look at the long-term.

Welbeck did well too, he's a very good back-up to Rooney (if RvP is sold).
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Post by Glory Sat Mar 08, 2014 8:31 am

yea and whenever they have played together kag and roo have looked in total sync in the past.

Its such a shame we are deprived of that incredible combo, which truly had the potential to develop into one of the finest if it wasnt reduced to a mere demo show all thanks to the joke.

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Post by Angoulême Sat Mar 08, 2014 8:37 am

I don't know what to think of RVPs situation really, I keep changing my mind. Obviously you want to keep as many world class players as possible, but I am 100% sure that we need to build our team around Mata in the #10 position. Whether that forces Rooney or RVP onto the bench, or one on the wing, is up to the manager, but both of them can't keep starting in the middle positions as we lose control. All 3 are world class players but mata in the middle helps us control games, pass it around more and provides loads more creativity through the middle. Same situation with Kagawa, albeit a lesser player.

IMO a lineup like:
Rooney/rvp
Kagawa mata januzaj

Looks miles better then rvp and Rooney up top and then mata on the wing. The 3 behind the lone striker move around and are all capable and willing go wide, through the middle or fall deeper to help pick the ball off the midfield.


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Post by Glory Sat Mar 08, 2014 8:38 am

Lumiere_Blanche wrote:yea and whenever they have played together kag and roo have looked in total sync in the past.

Its such a shame we are deprived of that incredible combo, which truly had the potential to develop into one of the finest if it wasnt reduced to a mere demo show all thanks to the joke.

better late than never. still lot of time left for that i believe starting from next season. still time left for that refreshing eye catchy partnership to bloom and prosper.

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Post by RED Sat Mar 08, 2014 8:41 am

I can just feel it. The feeling of being let down next week. We've been down this path so many times this season. So many false dawns. Remember our longest streak back in December, when we we went four games with a win, then we crashed back down to earth v a sh*t Spurs team at O.T.

I was actually positive about today's line up. Then BB mentioned that Young and Valencia could be getting as much rest as possible in preperation for the tough defensive/wing back role they will play v Liverpool. And since then, it starts to all make sense (not in those words).

Our season has been all about inconsistency, 1 step forwards 2 steps back.

I would begin to rate Moyes, and I would begin to be more supportive of him if he started today's line up against the tougher teams and get's a positive result as an outcome of it.
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Post by Busby Babe Sat Mar 08, 2014 8:47 am

The thing is with Rooney and RvP is they don't even pass it to each other so the partnership is non-existent.

I'm also confused because Kagawa can play left for Japan and do it well, but for us, he struggles.

Look at this, from Kagawa's debut, he had instant chemistry with Rooney (also Welbeck).

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Post by Busby Babe Sat Mar 08, 2014 8:55 am

RED wrote:I can just feel it. The feeling of being let down next week. We've been down this path so many times this season. So many false dawns. Remember our longest streak back in December, when we we went four games with a win, then we crashed back down to earth v a sh*t Spurs team at O.T.

I was actually positive about today's line up. Then BB mentioned that Young and Valencia could be getting as much rest as possible in preperation for the tough defensive/wing back role they will play v Liverpool. And since then, it starts to all make sense (not in those words).

Our season has been all about inconsistency, 1 step forwards 2 steps back.

I would begin to rate Moyes, and I would begin to be more supportive of him if he started today's line up against the tougher teams and get's a positive result as an outcome of it.

If Moyes proves me wrong, I'd be happy. Saying that, there's still a long way back, too many false dawns this season.

Btw, all our games this season against Spurs, Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal and Man City we've played at least one of Valencia or Young it seems inevitable
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Post by Angoulême Sat Mar 08, 2014 8:57 am

It's pretty obvious that Kagawa won't become like Silva or Mata, out wide. Both players started out as wingers in their younger ages, and Kagawa started out as an attacking midfielder at a younger age. This is definitely one of the reasons why he's not good at beating his marker and not good at dribbling past players. For this reason, he will be more system-dependent than anyone else because he doesn't have the experience playing different roles that Silva, Mata, Januzaj, Rosicky, Cazorla, etc. have.

At this point, it's best for him to play centrally as Moyes likes to overload the wide channels rather than play through the middle. Playing behind the striker like how Osman did for Moyes will be best for Kagawa, at this stage , with Rooney or RVP .
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