The season Messi scored 47 he had 45% better conversion ratio, and more tackles and interceptions, than Hazard last season.

Yeah I'm sure Hazards will score 60 by just stopping defending and taking every shot possible.

Don't worry Mamad... everyone here likes to insult French players in general, not just Benz. I've come to ignore it for the most part. I remember 2 years ago when i felt Abidal was the best defensive LB in the world and maybe the best period if you prefer defensive attributes in your fullbacks... i got destroyed lol.

It's not worth the energy. Let it be.

Harmonica wrote:The season Messi scored 47 he had 45% better conversion ratio, and more tackles and interceptions, than Hazard last season.

Yeah I'm sure Hazards will score 60 by just stopping defending and taking every shot possible.

You do realize no one said he was as big a talent as Messi? Just talking about goals, and who's to say he shouldn't be able to score 40 or 50 in a season? If he sacrificed as much of his all-round game as Cristiano has done, he should be able to improve his scoring output a whole lot.

What is with the Hazard hate here?

If Cristiano can do it why can't Eden? Do any of the goldfish over here remember Cristiano Ronaldo at Hazards age?

-Nowhere near the player that Eden is today
-Didn't contribute half as much as Eden does outside goals
-Tricky coerver method duck who stood wide since he couldn't handle the tighter spaces
-Didn't contribute heavily to a Ligue 1 title like Hazard
-Didn't have even the same amount of goals as Hazard despite the latter being a massive part of his game.

Hazard may be inconsistent and a ghost in some games yet he is far ahead of CR in terms of ability within this age. Man is a winner and easily Chelsea's 2nd best player after Juan Mata.

Let him score 16 first.

Arquitescu wrote:What is with the Hazard hate here?

If Cristiano can do it why can't Eden? Do any of the goldfish over here remember Cristiano Ronaldo at Hazards age?

-Nowhere near the player that Eden is today
-Didn't contribute half as much as Eden does outside goals
-Tricky coerver method duck who stood wide since he couldn't handle the tighter spaces
-Didn't contribute heavily to a Ligue 1 title like Hazard
-Didn't have even the same amount of goals as Hazard despite the latter being a massive part of his game.

Hazard may be inconsistent and a ghost in some games yet he is far ahead of CR in terms of ability within this age. Man is a winner and easily Chelsea's 2nd best player after Juan Mata.

Hazard isn't a top 20 player today.

sportsczy wrote:Don't worry Mamad... everyone here likes to insult French players in general, not just Benz.  I've come to ignore it for the most part.  I remember 2 years ago when i felt Abidal was the best defensive LB in the world and maybe the best period if you prefer defensive attributes in your fullbacks... i got destroyed lol.  

It's not worth the energy.  Let it be.

He isn't French. He's Belgium, more Muslim.

Valkyrja wrote:

Arquitescu wrote:What is with the Hazard hate here?

If Cristiano can do it why can't Eden? Do any of the goldfish over here remember Cristiano Ronaldo at Hazards age?

-Nowhere near the player that Eden is today
-Didn't contribute half as much as Eden does outside goals
-Tricky coerver method duck who stood wide since he couldn't handle the tighter spaces
-Didn't contribute heavily to a Ligue 1 title like Hazard
-Didn't have even the same amount of goals as Hazard despite the latter being a massive part of his game.

Hazard may be inconsistent and a ghost in some games yet he is far ahead of CR in terms of ability within this age. Man is a winner and easily Chelsea's 2nd best player after Juan Mata.

Hazard isn't a top 20 player today.

Asinine. Name me 20 players better than Hazard.

Mamad wrote:

Gil wrote: some scrub like Alexis/Benzema/Gervinho its insulting.

Don't insult Benzema.

How can he even put those two with benz.. karim is miles ahead of both  


Also ^ benz is third generation algerian. Just as french as any.

Great technically gifted player but he's shown no evidence to prove he's every going to score that amount of goals a season, I'm not taking anything from the lads ability as potential wise he's up there with the best but at times he clearly has a high opinion of himself.

Well, he did have 22 goals and 15 assists his last year with Lille and 13 goals and 20 assists with chelsea last season... so really, given that he's just 22, he does have grounds to be very high on himself.

The thing with Hazard is that he's the type of player who looks to make the right play though... if a teammate is in better position, he will make the pass. He's not one to play selfishly for his stats. For this reason, i don't think he could score 50 just because of how he plays football. He would need to change and i don't think it would help Chelsea's cause if he did.

Don't let the CR7 and Messi thing fool you... you want the true CF to be the best scorer on your team. That's how 99% of football tactics are set up.

He didn't say next season. Calm down ffs. He said he'd like to score 50-60 in the future by comparing himself to the best. Where's the harm in that?

Messi - Hazard

Season 09-10 - 12-13
League La Liga - Premier
League GpG 2.71 - 2.80

Games 35 - 34

Scoring Messi
Goals 34 - 9
Shots per goal 4.8 - 7

Passing Messi
Assists 10 - 11
Through balls 26 - 5
Key Passes 65 - 65
Long balls 47 - 40
Crosses 22 - 18
Passes 1328 - 1297
Pass accuracy 86% - 85%

Build up Messi
Dribbles 145- 62
Dispossessed 89 - 62
Turnovers 104 - 61

Defensive Messi
Tackles 31 - 28
Interceptions 41 - 37
Dribbled by 17 - 25
Clearances 0 - 6
Blocked shots 0 - 0

Hazard maybe could become player like Cronaldo who hogs every chance team sets, put even then I don't see him score as much as him. Messi on the other hand is completely different league all together, and for to match his feats is completely impossible.

Eden Europa league Hazard

ynwa wrote:He didn't say next season. Calm down ffs. He said he'd like to score 50-60 in the future by comparing himself to the best. Where's the harm in that?

Somebody talking some sense

3lite wrote:

sportsczy wrote:Don't worry Mamad... everyone here likes to insult French players in general, not just Benz.  I've come to ignore it for the most part.  I remember 2 years ago when i felt Abidal was the best defensive LB in the world and maybe the best period if you prefer defensive attributes in your fullbacks... i got destroyed lol.  

It's not worth the energy.  Let it be.

He isn't French. He's Belgium, more Muslim.

Valkyrja wrote:

Arquitescu wrote:What is with the Hazard hate here?

If Cristiano can do it why can't Eden? Do any of the goldfish over here remember Cristiano Ronaldo at Hazards age?

-Nowhere near the player that Eden is today
-Didn't contribute half as much as Eden does outside goals
-Tricky coerver method duck who stood wide since he couldn't handle the tighter spaces
-Didn't contribute heavily to a Ligue 1 title like Hazard
-Didn't have even the same amount of goals as Hazard despite the latter being a massive part of his game.

Hazard may be inconsistent and a ghost in some games yet he is far ahead of CR in terms of ability within this age. Man is a winner and easily Chelsea's 2nd best player after Juan Mata.

Hazard isn't a top 20 player today.

Asinine. Name me 20 players better than Hazard.

Messi, Ronaldo, Ozil, Iniesta, Ribery, Muller, Reus, Gotze, El Sharaawy, Bale, Suarez, Ibra, Moura, Xavi, Mata, Pirlo, Schweinsteiger, Thiago Silva

Valkyrja wrote:
Messi, Ronaldo, Ozil, Iniesta, Ribery, Muller, Reus, Gotze, El Sharaawy, Bale, Suarez, Ibra, Moura, Xavi, Mata, Pirlo, Schweinsteiger, Thiago Silva

Lucas Moura better than Hazard? Are you actually serious?

Not even 20 players

Could argue either way for Gotze/Reus and about half that list imo.

3lite... i was talking about the random Benz hate, not Hazard.

Anyhow, he's striving to be the best and, frankly, i prefer players who think this way.

lszanto wrote:

Valkyrja wrote:
Messi, Ronaldo, Ozil, Iniesta, Ribery, Muller, Reus, Gotze, El Sharaawy, Bale, Suarez, Ibra, Moura, Xavi, Mata, Pirlo, Schweinsteiger, Thiago Silva

Lucas Moura better than Hazard? Are you actually serious?

Not even 20 players

Could argue either way for Gotze/Reus and about half that list imo.

Sorry, I forgot about GK's and Oscar.

I wasn't aware Thiago Silva, Pirlo, Xavi, GK's, Oscar and co could run down the left flank. You've won the argument. Hazard isn't a top 20 player in his position.

ynwa wrote:I wasn't aware Thiago Silva, Pirlo, Xavi, GK's, Oscar and co could run down the left flank. You've won the argument. Hazard isn't a top 20 player in his position.

I didn't say top 20 player in his position. Top 20 player world wide.

Are you telling me Ronaldo was a top 20 player in the world at the age of 21?

ynwa wrote:Are you telling me Ronaldo was a top 20 player in the world at the age of 21?

in 2006-2007 ? yes. at least top 5.

ynwa wrote:Are you telling me Ronaldo was a top 20 player in the world at the age of 21?

The 2006/2007 season? He was 21
Yeah, he was.

ynwa wrote:Are you telling me Ronaldo was a top 20 player in the world at the age of 21?

Cronaldo was Ballon d'Or #2, FWPOTY #3 for the season, that Hazard now had.

Wasn't he 21 in 05/06?

Hazard was the best player in France for back to back seasons before he came to the PL .leagues actually outside Italy, England and Spain actually exist you clowns so yes he is a Top 20 player.