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Who is Moyes
So before the englidh media describe him as the scottish guardiola, can you tell us nonpremfaces, what kind of manager he is? wt type of players and formations he likes? is he gonna sign Fellaini as new utd Trequartista? basically what can we expect. Not expecting huge changes but what kind of influence cn he have on this current utd side?
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Was going to ask the same question. I dont watch scrubs like Everton so dont know anything about Moyes.
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I think he's overrated.
Just because he's been at Everton a long time, doesn't make a top manager. He's barely progressed with Everton.
Longevity doesn't = top manager.
Man Utd would be settling for second best. His style of play isn't attractive and he doesn't have European experience either.
Just because he's been at Everton a long time, doesn't make a top manager. He's barely progressed with Everton.
Longevity doesn't = top manager.
Man Utd would be settling for second best. His style of play isn't attractive and he doesn't have European experience either.
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Man U value loyalty a great deal. Moyes has shown it. They're not looking to hire a mercenary.
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He's like a poor man's Ancelotti IMO. Playing on the counter, scoring a goal and going defensive etc.
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Defensive but ultimately flexible with an eye for talent and a penchant who has been holding things together and even progressing at Everton in the midst of chronic financial crisis and the consistent loss of his best players.
He doesn't do anything radical or particularly exciting - it wouldn't be pragmatic since he doesn't have the money. I think pragmatic is ultimately his most defining characteristic.
He doesn't do anything radical or particularly exciting - it wouldn't be pragmatic since he doesn't have the money. I think pragmatic is ultimately his most defining characteristic.
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Actually his style of play is very similar to SAF's for the majority of his career.
This year they have been a bit more direct because of Fellaini and using him almost as a battering ram for likes of Mirallas and Pienaar to feed off.
I can see why Man Yoo are looking at him, he ticks a lot of boxes except the European stage where he has failed quite frankly in little experience he has had.
My guess is Yanited want continuity and Moyes tbf to them probably does provide that.
This year they have been a bit more direct because of Fellaini and using him almost as a battering ram for likes of Mirallas and Pienaar to feed off.
I can see why Man Yoo are looking at him, he ticks a lot of boxes except the European stage where he has failed quite frankly in little experience he has had.
My guess is Yanited want continuity and Moyes tbf to them probably does provide that.
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The pressure on him is gonna be immense. Any little screw up is gonna be magnified to levels he hasn't witnessed before.
I just hope he is prepared mentally.
I just hope he is prepared mentally.
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Nick i am sure you must have watched Everton at least once in the last 9 years ?
Anyways, Moyes is a reserved manager who plays great importance to grind it out rather than being adventurous. He plays mostly boring football, although not long balls. By that i mean he his priority is always to keep his teams in shape and organised. Play deep with lots of runners and a big man upfront with a second striker behind him.
I am not sure what he will do at United. He might change his approach with so much attacking potential at United. He surely can't play the way he has been at Everton. But he isn't a 4-3-3 or a 4-2-3-1 manager. He would play something like 4-4-1-1, co incidentally something which Fergie's teams have been familiar with over the years.
Anyways, Moyes is a reserved manager who plays great importance to grind it out rather than being adventurous. He plays mostly boring football, although not long balls. By that i mean he his priority is always to keep his teams in shape and organised. Play deep with lots of runners and a big man upfront with a second striker behind him.
I am not sure what he will do at United. He might change his approach with so much attacking potential at United. He surely can't play the way he has been at Everton. But he isn't a 4-3-3 or a 4-2-3-1 manager. He would play something like 4-4-1-1, co incidentally something which Fergie's teams have been familiar with over the years.
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sportsczy wrote:Man U value loyalty a great deal. Moyes has shown it. They're not looking to hire a mercenary.
So many undertones in this post lmao.
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Adit wrote:Was going to ask the same question. I dont watch scrubs like Everton so dont know anything about Moyes.
You should. These 'scrubs' holds some aces like Moyes, Rooney, Fellanni the 'Big Ones' would die for.
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Moyes is the sort of manager who values organisation and hard work a lot. His Everton teams have always been known for their graft and being difficult to beat rather than for their attacking play. It's the sort of managing style that the Man Utd players are used to and I think that's why they want him.
Tactically, he usually plays 4-4-1-1 or 4-4-2. His teams are usually direct and play through a big man like Fellaini, but they create chances in various different ways thanks to having a few flair players like Pienaar, Osman and Mirallas in the team. They've never scored that many goals, but that could be down to not having a quality forward. He won't have the same problem at United.
If he takes over at United, I don't see the way they play changing all that much. They'll line up 4-4-2 again, in all likelihood, and they'll be as organised and hard working as they were before.
There's going to be a lot of pressure on Moyes, but I think it'll help that he wouldn't be coming in and making several changes in one go.
Tactically, he usually plays 4-4-1-1 or 4-4-2. His teams are usually direct and play through a big man like Fellaini, but they create chances in various different ways thanks to having a few flair players like Pienaar, Osman and Mirallas in the team. They've never scored that many goals, but that could be down to not having a quality forward. He won't have the same problem at United.
If he takes over at United, I don't see the way they play changing all that much. They'll line up 4-4-2 again, in all likelihood, and they'll be as organised and hard working as they were before.
There's going to be a lot of pressure on Moyes, but I think it'll help that he wouldn't be coming in and making several changes in one go.
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Can Moyes bench Rooney?
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sportsczy wrote:Can Moyes bench Rooney?
There's lots of rumours that Rooney is going to be sold, talk in England of Chelsea throwing their name in the hat too
Also it apparently has nothing to do with who the new manager will be.
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Mole... is Moyes rated closer to Pardew or SAF? Looks like he's a hoofball tactician
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i think there are going to be big changes regardless of who comes in to the manager position
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Nah Moyes isn't a hoofball merchant
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sportsczy wrote:Mole... is Moyes rated closer to Pardew or SAF? Looks like he's a hoofball tactician
A lot closer to SAF than Pardew lol, he is direct and organised but he's no Pardew.
Who as you know even if things are not working he persists with it
Moyes isn't like that, his Everton teams are not exactly exciting to watch or pretty for the most part but they are effective and not really hoofball merchants either.
Which to me is a lot like Man Utd's team.... little guile and excitement but very very effective.
Moyes will continue this IMO and which is why they want him.
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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/jen_chang/04/29/performance.analytics/index.html
i recommend you read if u this haven't already about Moyes as a reactive manager
i recommend you read if u this haven't already about Moyes as a reactive manager
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Moyes at Everton always used a strong guy upfront though (Cahill before, now Fellaini), that said - it means nothing because he'll have more talented footballers in his side at United and most probably won't hoof it as his teams did at Everton.
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Agree with most of whats being said.
And to be fair to him, with the little signings he has made he seems to do reasonably well.
I think domestically you can have some confidence in him, he wont do anything radical with the chance of backfire and you would imagine the media will give him more rope than they would an outsider (see AVB at Chelsea). So if he can handle the increased pressure you would imagine he could do well.
Europe is where you might worry, his tactics never seem anything special and you could see him outmanouvered in a game he doesnt really understand. Fergie always adapted and I think he caught on to what works and what doesnt at the specific times for the most part. Moyes may be in for a shock on that level.
Dont think you need to be tactically astute with all the newest ideas and methods to do well to be honest.
And to be fair to him, with the little signings he has made he seems to do reasonably well.
I think domestically you can have some confidence in him, he wont do anything radical with the chance of backfire and you would imagine the media will give him more rope than they would an outsider (see AVB at Chelsea). So if he can handle the increased pressure you would imagine he could do well.
Europe is where you might worry, his tactics never seem anything special and you could see him outmanouvered in a game he doesnt really understand. Fergie always adapted and I think he caught on to what works and what doesnt at the specific times for the most part. Moyes may be in for a shock on that level.
Dont think you need to be tactically astute with all the newest ideas and methods to do well to be honest.
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You could argue that Moyes could just follow the United blue print in terms of tactics. United have never had an overly tactical style anyway so it might not be a big issue in the end. This of course depends on the squad they have and Moyes's biggest test will be in the transfer market.
On a different note does anyone think United might bring back Queiroz as an assistant? That would ideal if Moyes were to take over.
On a different note does anyone think United might bring back Queiroz as an assistant? That would ideal if Moyes were to take over.
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Zealous wrote:You could argue that Moyes could just follow the United blue print in terms of tactics. United have never had an overly tactical style anyway so it might not be a big issue in the end. This of course depends on the squad they have and Moyes's biggest test will be in the transfer market.
This is what i think too and why they want him, they are seeking continuity and i believe they will get it.
As already mentioned Europe will be the big test and arguably the transfer market too depending how they set up.
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In Europe, Man Utd are certaintly tactical, you have to be.
The way he set up against Madrid, that took planning and a fair amount of line up decisions.
And over the years generally they have changed in Europe depending on who they had and the times.
Fergie realised some time ago in Europe you got to know whats going on.
The way he set up against Madrid, that took planning and a fair amount of line up decisions.
And over the years generally they have changed in Europe depending on who they had and the times.
Fergie realised some time ago in Europe you got to know whats going on.
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Well obviously tactics will have to be used and thought about but in general United don't usually use gimmick tactics in Europe.
4-5-1 away and 4-3-3 at home seems to be Sir Alex's blue print. It evolved from a 4-4-2 after his loss to Madrid in 2000 but since then it's by and large stayed the same.
4-5-1 away and 4-3-3 at home seems to be Sir Alex's blue print. It evolved from a 4-4-2 after his loss to Madrid in 2000 but since then it's by and large stayed the same.
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