Donuts wrote:Mourinho looks like a man who played FIFA manager all his life on amateur mode and picked up football manager for the first time and is going downhill.
For Madrid's sake I hope he finds out there are guides to this game online!

if a guy like that can beat barca, still away from them champions league,,, steal away from them copa del rey... steal away from them super cup... and the league... then i guess that is one shitty team hahah

100 points in one year, record number of goals...

you all knee jerking ,

Yohan Modric wrote:

Motogp69 wrote:My stock answer to every, what manager should this big club hire, Roberto Martinez.

He's not really done anything aside from compete in relegation battles over the past few seasons.

Yes, but his status has been a product of being at a very small club greatly exceeding expectations. You can't say that even now they aren't playing good football even while in the midst of another relegation battle. The guy knows how to get the most out of his players, and I absolutely love his style of play. Wigan looks like they don't even have enough healthy players to field a team right now and they outplayed Arsenal for 90 minutes.

Why go for the diva manager when you could get a guy who has a definite style he would like to be the architect of (Guardiola) and is willing to devote the rest of his life to the first big club that gives him a chance (Sir Alex Ferguson).

I only see great things in his future, and I have no idea why he hasn't been picked up by a bigger club yet. I was really hoping the Spurs job was his, not that AVB has done that bad of a job.

Sorry to thread jack...insight over.

I can't believe the amount of stick Mourinho is getting here. Someone even called him a "sh*t" manager....smh.

All you Real Madrid fans can discuss the klopp's, low's etc of this world, but a few hiccups in the league and CL and you will be turning your backs on them. Rinse and repeat. It's always been the same with RM.

Real Kandahar wrote:

Donuts wrote:Mourinho looks like a man who played FIFA manager all his life on amateur mode and picked up football manager for the first time and is going downhill.
For Madrid's sake I hope he finds out there are guides to this game online!

if a guy like that can beat barca, still away from them champions league,,, steal away from them copa del rey... steal away from them super cup... and the league... then i guess that is one shitty team hahah

100 points in one year, record number of goals...

you all knee jerking ,

+1. Thank you!

Real Kandahar wrote:

Donuts wrote:Mourinho looks like a man who played FIFA manager all his life on amateur mode and picked up football manager for the first time and is going downhill.
For Madrid's sake I hope he finds out there are guides to this game online!

if a guy like that can beat barca, still away from them champions league,,, steal away from them copa del rey... steal away from them super cup... and the league... then i guess that is one shitty team hahah

100 points in one year, record number of goals...

you all knee jerking ,

I don't see where I referenced the team or past achievements just that this season he is way below par compared to how he used to be.. dat insecurity

RED wrote:I can't believe the amount of stick Mourinho is getting here. Someone even called him a "sh*t" manager....smh.

All you Real Madrid fans can discuss the klopp's, low's etc of this world, but a few hiccups in the league and CL and you will be turning your backs on them. Rinse and repeat. It's always been the same with RM.

lol remember who we are talking about here

Madrid has some of the most dramatic fanboys in the world, this is known

We were 11 point behind and even early on in the season and I still had faith in Mou.
I thought it was merely a slump of the team.

But with these last couple games are showing there is something much more at work. We are crashing. This isn't a knee jerk. It's reality.


One could have predicted Barca would win La liga. But no one and I mean no one would have guessed that we would be 16 points behind Barcelona by the end of 2012. Fact.

RED wrote:I can't believe the amount of stick Mourinho is getting here. Someone even called him a "sh*t" manager....smh.

All you Real Madrid fans can discuss the klopp's, low's etc of this world, but a few hiccups in the league and CL and you will be turning your backs on them. Rinse and repeat. It's always been the same with RM.

I would probably say the same if I was a merely a cursory viewer.

Problem is I watch each and every game and there are on the field issues and off the field issues all directly generated by Mourinhio.

So there's that.

And these issues go way back, we had a great year last year no doubt, but even then the symptoms of these issues were still on show and were still discussed. I was always pretty adamant the team had to be setup differently. This was less important then because from an overall standpoint, the team was functioning well.

Anyway I don't think he's a bad coach, I know for a fact he's a great one and whenever he leaves I'll be a fan again.

As of right now I can't endure this garbage.

i dont think madrid fans are being dramatic.. its just the reality of the matter that no manager is above scrutiny, no manager is above the club.

he has unlimited amount of money and power within the club, there were obvious problems with the squad. mourinho chose not to reinforce problem areas in our starting xi, and now we are paying for it. he has created a very bad atmosphere among the players. he has lost the dressing room along with the trust of the players.

this was the worst first half of a season in something like 14 years. to think that he is above scrutiny for this because he is 'mourhino' is a bit ridiculous.

benching our best, most consistent, most dedicated, longest standing captain and leader in a big/pivatol match like malaga away and then claiming it was due to 'technical reasons' and saying adan is better is committing managerial seppuku.

imagine tito benching messi for pedro in el clasico and citing technical reasons and pedro is better than messi. its a really weak coverup.

Dnmac4 wrote:I and a few other posters have been saying this for years (Some Madrid fans too) since he has been at Madrid that he has been a terrible coach and figurehead of the organization. And make no mistake that is exactly what he wanted to be the most popular player on the team or in the upper management and to fire anyone who had a different opinion of a better way to do things even when he was acting like a total baby and in the wrong.

And the I and the people who said he was cheapening Madrid's good name not living up to the MASSIVE salary he demanded by refusing to do things a coach does even to the smallest level like behaving like an adult and attending press conference's, not punching other coaches, not firing some of the classiest people at the club for standing up to him, not making up insane conspiracy theories and forcing his players to go along with them, I could go on and on.

And now the same people who defended him tooth and nail for what ever he did no matter how bad or disrespectful are suddenly over in our corner now? Please, you guys have been total fan boys of this horses ass for three straight years while he produced very little results and turned your respected club into a circus.

You people need to stay over in your corner because what he did today is not the least bit surprising. And it was obvious the whole time you weren't true Madrid fans or fan's of La Liga but just fans of that horses ass Mourinho or anti Barca people.

Again, he has been disrespecting La Liga and Madrid since he stepped foot in Spain all while basically getting his ass kicked and you stood in his corner no matter what calling us cry babies or what ever names you could think up. So this ship has sailed, go become fans of whatever team he goes to next because you're not true Madrid fans just Johnny come lately's and bandwagon jumpers.

If you were fans you would have seen what he's been doing like Nick as he's been at it for three years now and you would have had enough of it a long long time ago. But your not Madrid fans your Mou fans so stay with the sinking ship, our's is full.

And BTW, if he was winning that doesn't make his behavior any better. He's still a horses ass and a selfish cu** who has little mans complex and needs to shout louder then anyone in the room. His shouting just gets more obvious when he doesn't win but it was always there.

Wait dnmac. So we can't change our opinion? We're forced to support mourinho?

Kindly stfu? lol..

im glad to see 4 or 5 posters above having faith in Mou! i have faith in him as well, he is the Special One!!! he will repay us with copa and CL i know it

just like he gave us COpa del rey... supercopa... League title... 100 points in la liga.... made us reach semis twice in a row...

Real Kandahar wrote:im glad to see 4 or 5 posters above having faith in Mou! i have faith in him as well, he is the Special One!!! he will repay us with copa and CL i know it

just like he gave us COpa del rey... supercopa... League title... 100 points in la liga.... made us reach semis twice in a row...

ya and the players and millions of euros that went into the squad probably had nothing to do with it either.

Real Kandahar wrote:im glad to see 4 or 5 posters above having faith in Mou! i have faith in him as well, he is the Special One!!! he will repay us with copa and CL i know it

just like he gave us COpa del rey... supercopa... League title... 100 points in la liga.... made us reach semis twice in a row...

All that he has achieved with Madrid was considered down / bad years for Pep by 80% of this board including you.

With most of you fan boys always telling us how much better of a coach he is then Pep then I don't know why your bragging about a Copa Del Rey or a league title. The fact is Pep won more the Mou in his first year at Barca then all Mou has done with Madrid in his 3 years there, hell he tripled it.

Facts are facts you can't argue them and for the standards Mou constantly wont shut up about and how "Special" he tells everyone he is he was a failure at Madrid and I have never seen the standards fall so low at Madrid where fans like you bragging about wining a Copa Del Rey like he did a great job.

He is the only coach I have seen Madrid lower there standards for and got beaten today by the coach who should still be there.

You madrid fans are really demanding. One Liga and One CDR, and two CL semi-finals in two years is imo pretty good given Barcelona's current state.
Having said that, it's clear that there are some problems. 16 points behind Barcelona is way too much. There's something wrong happening with Mou and some of the players, there has to be.

Though I wonder if you people really think changing coach whenever he has some bad results will work. Happened with Pellegrini, who was extremely criticized and should have been given another year, will most likely happen with Mourinho, and will happen with the next coach.

Yohan Modric wrote:"It is a technical decision. I think Adam is better than Iker".

What the -

This thread, and indeed everything that is happening is golden

Mourinho ffs

Madrid in shambles. Fans butthurt. 16 pt lead. What a magnificent day

Mourinho Secret Barca agent sent to destabilize madrid Secret agreement for barca to lose one Liga and CDR so that Madrid fans can get a sense of security Then only to betray them in the end

FFS

all these comments are absolutely ridiculous! Mourinho is the manager!!! NO PLAYER is bigger than him, the fact that you guys think a coach with his resume is not wise enough or experienced enough to make a call about benching a player is madness....wtf, casillas is still a player! legend yes, but still just a player!!

and you RM fans are all ingrates, your team looked hopeless for 2-3 before mourinho and will look hopeless again....short term memories, go check the league before he came or maybe the classico record 2-3 years before he came...*bleep* jokers you all are

LOL at the Hate Mourinho is getting.

TBH if you prefer Mourinho over Casillas you're not a true Madridista.
The problem with Mourinho is that he's not acting like he loves the club, the only one he loves is himself. I have in my 10 years of following Real Madrid never seen them play as badly as this year. And besides winning Mourinho offers nothing, and now when he isn't winning it's even worse

Am I the only one loving this meltdown? lol

Here is my view on this issue:

1) No player is bigger than the manager: Iker had to be dropped at some time. For the last 3/4 years, he has gone on a steady downhill with really no one to challenge him. His reflexes are still good, but his positioning and distribution has just gotten really bad. Iker is not the same players he was before, and to me it doesnt matter if you are a captain but if you are not playing well, then you should be dropped. The timing of dropping him was not ideal but if Madrid would have won, then there wouldnt be such a huge fuss. Plus, Adan didnt really affect the game negatively. Regarding the quote, Adan is better than Iker. I think he meant at the moment, Adan is training better than Iker which frankly I think the coaching staff will probably know more about that than you guys.

2) Real fans turning on Mou: This is quite typical to Real fans. When their new toy is working, its all good, but the moment it starts to give problems, they want to replace it rather than repair it. Mou has changed this team into a team of champions from a team who used to get wacked by teams like Lyon in the ass regularly. But now they want a new toy.

3) People saying Mourinho is not a great manager: I see quotes like these here, "Mou is a shit manager riding on luck!!!!!" - White-star, or Arquitecto calling him a clueless manager. This is a guy who won a treble with bloody Porto and Inter Milan, both good teams but huge underdogs to win. I cant argue he is a good long term coach because we dont have any examples yet, but the only thing I can tell is this guy knows what he is doing. Real's team is not playing upto par.

This is my analysis of Real:

1)Arbeloa and Alonso are liabilities. They are too slow and misplace passes at a regular rate. This is quite alarming for Alonso who used to be one of the most accurate passers but now he regularly losses out because of his speed or misplaces his passes. He still might have a high accuracy rates because of the back-side passes but his long balls have lost the quality.

2) Di Maria hasnt done anything this year to merit his start in the team. Now his play is limited because of the ineffective Arbeola, but he still cant lose the ball at such an alarming rate. This I completely blame Mourinho because Callejon has looked a lot better, but still is just rotated with Di Maria.

3) Pepe and Ramos are not upto par. In today's game, Ramos actually played well but you could clearly see so many things were wrong with Pepe. Bad positioning, extremely bad temper (could have gotten a red), trying to officiate the game (asking for a yellow for Joaquin) again a bookable offense. Pepe's strengths are tackling and speed but his negatives effect his game so much that sometimes it outweighs the positives he brings to his game. Varane, on the other hand, as been superb for such a young guy. I hope he leaves Real as soon as possible.

4) The mystery that is Khedira: The problem with him is that as a CM he is a 6/10 is everything, but not a 8 or a 9/10 in anything. The CM pair is not good enough for Madrid. They should have a ball winner (like Makelele) not Alonso, then play Modric as the creative CM. But Alonso is too slow to win balls effectively against good players. Khedira just seems confused in his role sometimes. He doesnt win too many balls, doesnt give too many assists, or score too many goals, his technical skills are average. I still think he is an excellent player to have, but he is not what R.madrid need. You cant really play Modric and Khedira as CMs. You need Modric and Makelele, a combination of a ball winner and a possession retainer for Real's system to work. Alonso did the role well last year, but he is going downhill now.

Anyway, my point is Mou is not the only problem in the team. Mou is an excellent manager. Now, I can never defend his antics in the game which is frankly too much. The constant nagging and moaning is not something I like, but as a manager (purely in terms of ability) he is still one of the best in my opinion.

Freeza wrote:TBH if you prefer Mourinho over Casillas you're not a true Madridista.
The problem with Mourinho is that he's not acting like he loves the club, the only one he loves is himself. I have in my 10 years of following Real Madrid never seen them play as badly as this year. And besides winning Mourinho offers nothing, and now when he isn't winning it's even worse

Again you are looking at it the wrong way, its not a choice Mou or Casillas. Mou is the coach and Casillas is a player. Mou chooses the team, not Casillas. Casillas has not been in sparkling form to merit starting every game, now Adan is not good enough to relace him obviously. But maybe Adan is putting more effort than Casillas in training, which is what I think he meant from the quote. If I was Adan, then even when putting more effort than Casillas the fact that he started every game regardless of form would piss me off. Adan needed an opportunity, and he got one. Now how he did is for you to decide. But my main point is, Real should buy a young qualified goalie to actually challange Casillas, like Stegen type (I am sure he would never come to Real) but someone like him.

StevieRayVaughan wrote:

Freeza wrote:TBH if you prefer Mourinho over Casillas you're not a true Madridista.
The problem with Mourinho is that he's not acting like he loves the club, the only one he loves is himself. I have in my 10 years of following Real Madrid never seen them play as badly as this year. And besides winning Mourinho offers nothing, and now when he isn't winning it's even worse

Again you are looking at it the wrong way, its not a choice Mou or Casillas. Mou is the coach and Casillas is a player. Mou chooses the team, not Casillas. Casillas has not been in sparkling form to merit starting every game, now Adan is not good enough to relace him obviously. But maybe Adan is putting more effort than Casillas in training, which is what I think he meant from the quote. If I was Adan, then even when putting more effort than Casillas the fact that he started every game regardless of form would piss me off. Adan needed an opportunity, and he got one. Now how he did is for you to decide. But my main point is, Real should buy a young qualified goalie to actually challange Casillas, like Stegen type (I am sure he would never come to Real) but someone like him.

No matter what you don't bench the team's captain and one of the most likeable players in the world, in order to play an average goalie... that is just suicide

Freeza wrote:

StevieRayVaughan wrote:

Freeza wrote:TBH if you prefer Mourinho over Casillas you're not a true Madridista.
The problem with Mourinho is that he's not acting like he loves the club, the only one he loves is himself. I have in my 10 years of following Real Madrid never seen them play as badly as this year. And besides winning Mourinho offers nothing, and now when he isn't winning it's even worse

Again you are looking at it the wrong way, its not a choice Mou or Casillas. Mou is the coach and Casillas is a player. Mou chooses the team, not Casillas. Casillas has not been in sparkling form to merit starting every game, now Adan is not good enough to relace him obviously. But maybe Adan is putting more effort than Casillas in training, which is what I think he meant from the quote. If I was Adan, then even when putting more effort than Casillas the fact that he started every game regardless of form would piss me off. Adan needed an opportunity, and he got one. Now how he did is for you to decide. But my main point is, Real should buy a young qualified goalie to actually challange Casillas, like Stegen type (I am sure he would never come to Real) but someone like him.

No matter what you don't bench the team's captain and one of the most likeable players in the world, in order to play an average goalie... that is just suicide

It doesnt matter if you are a likeable player or a captain, no one should be guaranteed a start every game regardless of form. Players need to be challenged doesnt matter if it is Casillas or Raul. Adan is an average goalie I do agree, but Casillas had to be dropped (imo) at somepoint in the season to prove a point to him. He is just not the same goalie.

Some fans are so fickle

Mourinho is a great coach, period. It's a well-known fact that Madrid are gunning for the CL this season, and they are still in contention for the CL. He might still be able to get the CL this season, so give him a chance to do so.

Even in Ikers "off form", which while I agree he isnt in the same form as he was in 2010 during the World Cup....he is still miles better than Adan. The timing too, it's not like Mou waited for a home game (he was also in goal when they lost to Celta recently), he waited for an away game vs the team thats behind them in the table. Also, Mou has been talking shit about Pelegrini recently, again whining like a little brat making Madrid look bad, because like it or not what ever he says is what represents the club. They are not his comments, they are the clubs comments since he represents the club

Not to mention there had been allot of rumbling the last month that Mou is losing the locker room and then he benches the guy that the locker room loves. Then it doesnt come off as a "I am benching Iker because I think Adan is better" type of move, it comes off as a "I am Mou and I am going to do what I want regardless if you like it or not" type of move. It's a total slap in the face to the players, the club, and the millions of Madrid fans. I would be pissed if Barca were 13 points behind and then we had to play Malaga and out of the blue Tito played Rafinha over Messi as the false 9 because he thinks "Rafinha is better"...I mean seriously?!? LOL