Re: Arsenal Vs Bayern Munich

by juventus101 Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:34 pm

I think Arsenal know they are technically outmatched, and i think because of that, it will come down to who scores first. Either way i see Bayern winning, but if Arsenal score first it could be close, as they could park it. If Bayern score first though then Arsenal will need to venture out alot and try to attack, and then Bayern could embarass them.

by urbaNRoots Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:36 pm

Zealous wrote:You can't deny he (Luiz) hasn't had his moments. Meanwhile guys like Hummels have yet to really do that imo

wut?

by Zealous Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:39 pm

urbaNRoots wrote:
Zealous wrote:You can't deny he (Luiz) hasn't had his moments. Meanwhile guys like Hummels have yet to really do that imo

wut?

Luiz can point to a great performance in a Champions League final. So far the biggest game of Hummel's career was that Semi Final against Italy where he was horrible.

by Arquitecto Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:41 pm

Zealous wrote:
Arquitecto wrote:
Zealous wrote:

I think he'd be great in a team that played to his strengths as a defender. He's hot and cold as the lovely Katy Perry would put it but he has all the skill sets that a great defender needs.

I've seen him play enough great games to think he can be one of the best one day.

His strengths mostly spurs from his above average technical abilities yet all too many times he has shown the lack of footballing IQ, reading of the game and simple defending 101 (positioning, zoning etc) to have the traits of a great defender in which cannot be taught as such an age. Ball playing CBs also need to know how to defend, maybe Luiz should watch guys like Hummels, Bonnuci, Cheillini, Agger, and learn how to combine his abilities with defence.

And who is Katy Perry?

I get what you're saying and it;s not that I disagree but Luiz has done enough for me to at least respect him as a player. You can't deny he hasn't had his moments. Meanwhile guys like Hummels have yet to really do that imo. Just my opinion on the matter regarding whether or not Luiz would be a better CB than Sagna

Oh and

Spoiler:

I admit Hummels has had his fair share of blunders but he surely has proven more then Luiz though. Luiz has only garnered my respect when he plays for Brazil as for the Seleccao he is fantastic and while its true that he doesn't exactly face top level competition for Brazil, it does give a semblance of his abilities. Yet for his clubs I cannot see anything of not bar a few moments of brilliance. I remember when Milan fans were angry that Rui Costa didn't help us in getting Luiz (Costa the SD at Benfica). In the end, we realized dear Rui actually was trying to save us. Proud

And the Katy Perry woman Shocked

Those mammaries.

by urbaNRoots Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:42 pm

Zealous wrote:
urbaNRoots wrote:
Zealous wrote:You can't deny he (Luiz) hasn't had his moments. Meanwhile guys like Hummels have yet to really do that imo

wut?

Luiz can point to a great performance in a Champions League final. So far the biggest game of Hummel's career was that Semi Final against Italy where he was horrible.

It's easier to defend when your whole team, including attackers help you out than defending alone with someone like Badstuber.

Hummels is so much better it's not even funny, pls stop Z

by Zealous Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:46 pm

If you want to crown Hummels then crown his ass but until he actually achieves anything all he is is hype.

He was flat out terrible against Italy and along with Lahm was one of big reasons Germany lost that game.

Notice how I'm not saying Luiz is better than anyone, I even said he wasn't one of the best out there. But he has great performances in career defining games. The deserves respect.

by S Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:49 pm

Zealous wrote:If you want to crown Hummels then crown his ass but until he actually achieves anything all he is is hype.

He was flat out terrible against Italy and along with Lahm was one of big reasons Germany lost that game.

by urbaNRoots Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:54 pm

A double last season and already one of the best defenders in the world Wink

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:54 pm

Yeah lets ignore all the wonderful performances he has had for Dortmund in the CL and Bundesliga being a big reason why they haven't lost in the CL this season and why Dortmund have won the previous 2 Bundesliga's Laughing

Lets all remember the bad game he had against Italy, because that's all that matters Laughing

Not surprised Zeal is butthurt though, probably still sore from watching Madrid look clueless while Subotic and Hummels bossed them in both games Proud

by Arquitecto Tue Feb 19, 2013 1:03 pm

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Yeah lets ignore all the wonderful performances he has had for Dortmund in the CL and Bundesliga being a big reason why they haven't lost in the CL this season and why Dortmund have won the previous 2 Bundesliga's

Lets all remember the bad game he had against Italy, because that's all that matters

Not surprised Zeal is butthurt though, probably still sore from watching Madrid look clueless while Subotic and Hummels bossed them in both games

Truth be told aside from the group stages this year, he has been awful in the CL (Shaktar) along with the 2 previous years.

I agree on Dortmund's 2 straight titles where he was pivotal yet not enough credit is given to the more disciplined (and intelligent) Subotic who for obvious reasons is overlooked and continues to be overlooked.

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Tue Feb 19, 2013 1:07 pm

Awful other than the group stages this year? he's only played 1 f*cking game other than the group stages this year Laughing

Hummels is taken over from Ramos as the CB that this forum loves to hate and hyperbole over every little thing he does.

He makes no more errors than any other CB out there.

by Kaladin Tue Feb 19, 2013 1:11 pm

Lets not turn this into a fight over Hummels....

OT: I heard that Kroos might have picked up a slight injury, is it possible that he may not play ?

by Arquitecto Tue Feb 19, 2013 1:12 pm

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Awful other than the group stages this year? he's only played 1 f*cking game other than the group stages this year

Hummels is taken over from Ramos as the CB that this forum loves to hate and hyperbole over every little thing he does.

He makes no more errors than any other CB out there.

No.

I just mentioned the last 2 years to you which people also conveniently ignore about Dortmund.

No I am not hating on Hummels, criticism doesn't equal hate. I would like to have people stop overlooking his crucial mistakes that he made in the Bundesliga while Subotic's excellence also continues to be ignored.

by urbaNRoots Tue Feb 19, 2013 1:17 pm

I've heard nothing about that ES Neutral

Koscielny is fit for Arsenal apparently, and according to The Mirror Arsenal will play this team:

Szczesny; Sagna, Mertesacker, Koscielny, Vermaelen; Arteta, Wilshere, Ramsey; Cazorla, Podolski, Walcott

by VivaStPauli Tue Feb 19, 2013 1:19 pm

Kroos is completely healthy, I'm afraid.

by Zealous Tue Feb 19, 2013 1:25 pm

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Yeah lets ignore all the wonderful performances he has had for Dortmund in the CL and Bundesliga being a big reason why they haven't lost in the CL this season and why Dortmund have won the previous 2 Bundesliga's

Lets all remember the bad game he had against Italy, because that's all that matters

Not surprised Zeal is butthurt though, probably still sore from watching Madrid look clueless while Subotic and Hummels bossed them in both games

You're completely missing my point. Laughing

Anyway all I was trying to say earlier was that Luiz is a better CB than Sagna rofl

Stay on topic guys.

by VivaStPauli Tue Feb 19, 2013 1:26 pm

I would always bet on Bayern choking, but this is too early in the competition.

by Lex Tue Feb 19, 2013 3:05 pm

Lulz is absolute kak at CB, that's why he's being converted into a midfielder Laughing

by Zealous Tue Feb 19, 2013 3:20 pm

Lex wrote:Lulz is absolute kak at CB, that's why he's being converted into a midfielder

His weaknesses get exposed in the kiddie pool of football that is England. If he played in Italy or Spain he'd have a better platform to show his strengths.

Even then he's still a better CB than Sagna rofl

by Lex Tue Feb 19, 2013 3:38 pm

Don't see how going to Spain or Italy would make him un-shit

by Zealous Tue Feb 19, 2013 3:42 pm

Lex wrote:Don't see how going to Spain or Italy would make him un-shit

That's just your opinion really. I'm not going to pretend that I can make you change it. I don't think he's shit though and under the right conditions he could be really good.

by BAYERN_MUNICH Tue Feb 19, 2013 4:00 pm

warmup video, a small first season-half compilation of Bayern for those who didn't watch our games

would be nice to see a similar vid from Arsenal 2012/2013

by halamadrid2 Tue Feb 19, 2013 4:11 pm

I love the classy discussions between arsenal/bayern fans. Smile

anyways on topic, kos is apparently back so sagna will most likely start at rb.

by BAYERN_MUNICH Tue Feb 19, 2013 4:18 pm

by free_cat Tue Feb 19, 2013 4:19 pm

I don't rate hummels that high. He makes mistakes every time I see him. in the Eurocup he also was bad vs. Netherlands. But I think he is better than Luiz though.

by S Tue Feb 19, 2013 4:34 pm

How many goals has Kroos scored this season ? Seemed to have banged in quite a few in the video i just saw.Some quality strikes too.

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