They are constantly selling their players, they are never real title contenders and now they are Refchester United's whipping boys. It's a sad shame because Arsene Wenger is a great manager, he deserves to be at a club that isn't a feeder for Barcelona.

It would seem that, we have become an extremely rich mans ajax

Arsenal were a big club?

/troll comment.

Seriously, yes. They always have been and always will be.

Diego Armando Maradona wrote:It would seem that, we have become an extremely rich mans ajax

ouch

Kick wrote:Arsenal were a big club?

/troll comment.

Seriously, yes. They always have been and always will be.

I know this is a joke, but this is seriously rich coming from a Chelsea fan.

Football runs in cycles and more often than not, teams go through periods where they don't win things and generally don't have a very good time. Seven, probably soon to be eight, seasons without a trophy is certainly unbecoming of a big club, and the less said about some of transfer business the better.

But we haven't completely dropped off the map. Not yet, anyway. We still attract good talent, we still fill out a 60,000 stadium every game, we're still a highly respected club and are, in general, still considered a big club by the majority of people. We might be losing our heavyweight status, and are certainly below Real Madrid, Barcelona, Man Utd, Bayern Munich and maybe even Chelsea right now, but we haven't declined to such an extent that we're no longer a big club.

Clockwork Orange wrote:They are constantly selling their players, they are never real title contenders and now they are Refchester United's whipping boys. It's a sad shame because Arsene Wenger is a great manager, he deserves to be at a club that isn't a feeder for Barcelona.

Hmmm. Except we won the title and we will probably qualify for the next round in the chamions league. Please never compare Arsenal to Ajax. Ajax has changed the face off football. Ajax will always be a bigger club.

GoonerJay29 wrote:

Kick wrote:Arsenal were a big club?

/troll comment.

Seriously, yes. They always have been and always will be.

I know this is a joke, but this is seriously rich coming from a Chelsea fan.

Hence the joke mate. I am not one of those plastic Chelsea fans, I know where we came from and what we have.

I still fear playing Arsenal every year and relish every victory over them.

If arsenal are no longer a big club, then ajax stopped being a big club a long time ago. History lessons are much appreciated, but as i said ajax are a poor mans arsenal currently. They are actually both big clubs still imo

we are probably somewhere down in the top 10 list.

able to defeat anyone on their day but also able to lose by anyone if they are in a bad mood,
historically a traditional title contender with many achievements and given how the club is being run they still produce high quality entertaining football

big club? yes, but of the bottom ones

Financially speaking, yes.

Diego Armando Maradona wrote:It would seem that, we have become an extremely rich mans ajax

+1111111111



Anyways, yes, because they consistently go deep in the league and the CL. There's less than 10 better teams than Arsenal out there atm.

GoonerJay29 wrote:

Kick wrote:Arsenal were a big club?

/troll comment.

Seriously, yes. They always have been and always will be.

I know this is a joke, but this is seriously rich coming from a Chelsea fan.

Football runs in cycles and more often than not, teams go through periods where they don't win things and generally don't have a very good time. Seven, probably soon to be eight, seasons without a trophy is certainly unbecoming of a big club, and the less said about some of transfer business the better.

But we haven't completely dropped off the map. Not yet, anyway. We still attract good talent, we still fill out a 60,000 stadium every game, we're still a highly respected club and are, in general, still considered a big club by the majority of people. We might be losing our heavyweight status, and are certainly below Real Madrid, Barcelona, Man Utd, Bayern Munich and maybe even Chelsea right now, but we haven't declined to such an extent that we're no longer a big club.

Exactly this!...

Ajax have the European history but history doesn't win you games. Currently Arsenal are much bigger than Ajax, using the fact that Ajax win their league and Arsenal don't is laughable. The Dutch league is about 50 levels below the Prem. And with 3 points in the CL what makes you so sure that Ajax will quality for the knock outs? I'm not even thinking Juve are probably through and at least Juve have what should (No Jinx) be a guaranteed 3 points. Chances are Ajax will pick up at most 1 more point.

In short, present Arsenal >>>>>> feeder club in feeder league.


Edit: Yes Arsenal are still a big club and they will be as long as they finish in the top end of the BPL, maybe not a top club but still big.

back on topic guys

They are a big club based on what they achieved in the past.

Just like Ajax and other clubs.

However I don't understand why they don't just sack Wenger. I mean he hasn't won anything in like 7-8 years. Any 'big' club wouldn't keep their manager that long if he wasn't winning anything.

arsenal need to make big changes in their wage structure, as well as where their money is diverted because they are one of the most profitable clubs in the world.

it seems wenger is unwilling to spend or the board is unwilling to provide wenger with the proper money because they must have more money than pittance they have been spending.

that being said of course i still consider arsenal to be a big club

BUT i do believe that once wenger moves on arsenal will not have that safety net of wengers good financial choices and good management and this may pose a big problem.

Yohan Modric wrote:They are a big club based on what they achieved in the past.

Just like Ajax and other clubs.

However I don't understand why they don't just sack Wenger. I mean he hasn't won anything in like 7-8 years. Any 'big' club wouldn't keep their manager that long if he wasn't winning anything.

who on earth could win arsenal a trophy on a hairline transfer budget and a mid table team wage structure..

mt you baffle me some times.

When exactly is the FFP going to actually kick in? Since its inception, clubs keep spending big on giant names and throwing whatever they want at them in wages, yet nothing is being done about it by anyone

vanDEEZ wrote:

Yohan Modric wrote:They are a big club based on what they achieved in the past.

Just like Ajax and other clubs.

However I don't understand why they don't just sack Wenger. I mean he hasn't won anything in like 7-8 years. Any 'big' club wouldn't keep their manager that long if he wasn't winning anything.

who on earth could win arsenal a trophy on a hairline transfer budget and a mid table team wage structure..

mt you baffle me some times.

We are not going to win any title soon. FACT : not as long as there will be some clubs that spend like crazy because they have a sugar-daddy. It's quite easy to buy an Arsenal's player because that's our politic : we sell in order to be financially safe.
Wenger, while not being the best coach, (is one of) the best manager around. Only second to Ferguson for me.
I like the fact that money is turning mid-table club like Malaga, City, PSG ... in powerfuls clubs. But it's not going to last. football would be better and much more entertaining if Arsenal's model was followed : , Udinese, As roma, Napoli, lazio, OM , OL, Everton, ... would be real challengers
That being said , our board is not doing good enough as we got the money to buy better players

Players come and players go that's Arsenal's philosophy, with this sort of mindset it's near impossible to win big titles and imo that makes them a clever business model in footballing terms.
They have the money of a top club, they have the history of a top club, they have the manager of a top and they have the fans of a top club.

Arsenal are of course a big club but the chairman has different aspirations to most big clubs, it's not even about trophies or the football. They are just cashing in on a very successful project.

Watching United toy with Arsenal as though they were QPR or some relegation fodder was a sad sight to see on Saturday tbh. Regardless of what United fans feelings are towards Arsenal, I know many miss the days these were big blockbuster title challenging clashes.

regardless of these issues, they are still considered a big club. A respectable club too. This is an absurd question.

Yes. a struggling big club with an identity crisis and lack of discipline and confidence

RED wrote:Watching United toy with Arsenal as though they were QPR or some relegation fodder was a sad sight to see on Saturday tbh. Regardless of what United fans feelings are towards Arsenal, I know many miss the days these were big blockbuster title challenging clashes.

regardless of these issues, they are still considered a big club. A respectable club too. This is an absurd question.

agree with this post completely. I miss the old days