_SuperFloren_ wrote:

barca 2011 wrote:


This is some hair splitting from a Madrid fan. Now the biggest controversy, no doubt is Barca vs. Chelsea 2009. We all know it, it's universally known and there is no undoing it. But while it seemed favorable to Barca, it's also pretty accepted that the officiating was shite for both sides. Which is why that ref is no longer a ref.

Now, how do those names which floren listed above, how have they had a direct effect on Barca's success??? Because of questionable officiating on a few occasions?? Where's the proof that Angel Villar for example, had a direct effect on those questionable calls? And which strings did those names pull to effect a young Messi in a way that transformed him into hands down the best player of our generation??? Which strings did they pull to have Xavi hit his prime, Iniesta break out as a world beater, Pique and Busquets come to prominence?? The base of the success for 2008-2012 Spain,for arguably the best NT EVER, those names must've had to do something with as well mustn't they???

Even if Laporta appointed these names as soon as he became pres. (and let's get more proof than just your word, because you have obviously looked this up), that "happened" around 2003-04. You say that Madrid lost that monster lead that year because "the bombs from Al Qaeda in Madrid, the city fell in depression, and didnt care a lot about the team". Please. Whatever the reason, it wasn't a "blaugrana conspiracy".

Again, this was almost 10 years ago, but then you say "they would never win all what they earned in the past, behind the suspect of tremendous cheating and Mafia moves." By the past, I'm assuming you mean 2008 and onwards. That is just quite simply BS mate. 2008-2011 Barca simply outplayed pretty much EVERYONE they played, fact.

And as far as the Ronaldinho transfer, or screw it, let's call it a hijack. As far as that goes, knowing Brazilians it's not impossible to imagine a high ranking Brazilian executive advising a fellow Brazilian up and comer to what may be a better move. We all know now it couldn't of been much better of a move but if Barca would've landed Beckham, I'm sure R10 would've gone to Man U. But just like Becks snubbed Barca, Ronaldinho (GHASP) snubbed Man U. Simple as that. There's no need to loose change that shite. And I think that that is all for now. Later, floren.

It all began in 2009 and what you call it the biggest scandal in Champions League history. In 2009, nobody could denied that Manchester United was the best team in the world. They were european champs and they were playing the champions league final that year. You said Barcelona outplayed everybody between 2008-2011. No. Chelsea was the second best team at the time behind United, and everybody was expecting another chelsea-manu final they basically destroyed Barca that semifinal, and the fair result would have been 3 or 4-0. In Spain, Barca hadnt competition, their only competition in a 2 horse race, was Madrid. A Real Madrid team capable of lose 2-6 at home in the final classico game for la liga, A Real Madrid team capable of lose 4-0 against the fourth team in England. Liverpool in champions league, or against a 3rd division team in Copa. At the time, Barca only had 4 rivals in Europe. The Top 4 of England. The Italian teams were garbage, and Bayern was playing Uefa cup and getting outplayed against the likes of Zenit. Everybody remembers that. But after that season where Barcelona won the champions league title unfairly. It came the propaganda. "6titles, Greatest team ever, untouchable, tiki taka, the best football ever etc etc". Barca continued doing the same, outplaying the poor Spanish teams, and when they faced a top european team, it came this helps. Accepting that this Barcelona team is a great team like I said, the rest of teams never had the chance of getting fair refereings against them. When they were always in problems, they had those helps. Always, from refs, and comitees. Everybody knows Barcelona dont like play against physical and defensive minded teams, in the last 4 years of this team. Chelsea, Inter, Real Madrid, and Chelsea again had Barcelona in their hands. Chelsea got trolled by Ovrebo. Inter had to survive 70 minutes in 10 men, because Busquets dived against Motta. Real Madrid lost the semifinals because Alves dived against Pepe(player who was being a nightmare for Barcelona in the entire Classicos rally. Liga, Copa, and 1st half of Champions league semifinals. And Chelsea again. The rest of top teams, with weapons to scare Barsa, tried to play the same physical and defensive game of Chelsea and Inter. Arsenal had Barcelona eliminated in 2010. 1-1 at the camp nou, and incredibly, Van persie got red carded 3 minutes after Arsenal scored. (casual). Milan had Barcelona eliminated last year, 1-1 at the camp nou, and incredibly, a weird penalty against Milan, 7 minutes after Milan scored. (casual). Its casual that Uefa puts a portuguese to ref Barcelona-Real Madrid champions league game, 3 days after Madrid wins the Copa del Rey title. Guardiola cries, and they changes the ref and put Stark, known as a Messi lover. its casual that Messi headbutts a Shaktar player in Supercup extra time in front of the ref, but he does nothing (its messi). Its casual Porto ends with 8 players in another supercup meeting. Every single Barca game against really tough teams always ends with some controversial situations, and always ends with some members of the other teams banned by Uefa and talking about the refs, and everybody talking about "they deserved it, because the other team park the bus". If this is "justice". Then, give Zidane' Real Madrid 2001 and 2003 champions league titles because we lost against the bus of Bayern and Juventus. Stole all 4 catenaccios Italy world cups. Of course, this Barcelona is a good team?. Barca right now only have to play 4-5 difficult games in the entire season. And if in this 4-5 games, they play against 10 players, or they get all calls. No competition. (Three champions league semifinals in a row against 10 players, when a red card or a penalty in champions league football is so difficult to watch). In this world everybody knows who is who, if you put a Cruyff lover like the dutch de blekere or a Messi fan like Wolfgang Stark. Its easier get calls, that if you put a portuguese to ref a Barca-Madrid, or some guy from Ivory coast to ref Chelsea-Barsa. You know. The power of choose above the others.

Ending... I can understand Ronaldinho's affaire, they needed whatever to sign a star player, and they did it. Good job. Mafia moves, but I guess everybody does it. And I never said Madrid lost 2004 liga title because al qaeda. I said it was a sum of things, and a change in the entire system and inercia.

barca 2011 wrote:

baresi wrote:well your reply barca 2011, brought up the following question:
If Barca had all this influence on UEFA or FIFA why won't the drag down the Spanish NT, and push for a Catalan NT, with all that reach this should be ez.

I think that that's a question that is going to deep into the country's politics and I'm just not sure how to answer that. And I don't know who is for it or who is against it but it could also be that maybe Barca doesn't actually have as much reach as floren would have u believe.

_SuperFloren_ wrote:

kiranr wrote:
Yeah, getting red cards against a team that keeps the ball a lot more than 65% of the time is so strange that it warrants a conspiracy theory.

If you watch at the red cards, of course. I never saw, and I will never see something like Van Persie red card in a champions league knock out. You have to want pretty hard to show a red card, to make something like that. And only 3 minutes after Arsenal scored. And the striker/most dangerous player, not the typical defensive midfielder that kills your number 10 guy.

Pd: I remember that guy from Bayern, Luiz Gustavo doing at least 10 fouls in the second leg, and dude watched the first yellow in the minute 110. And I considered normal. You cannot show a red for little fouls in a champions league semifinals between giants. And showing red for stupid things like all the reds in Barcas favour and when they were tied or eliminated is suspicious.

Dnmac4 wrote:Dumbest post I've read in a long long time. Here's an excerpt from it.

"as a result they are using their Eufa powers, connections, and tax laws "

Now people are claiming that Barcelona football club makes up the tax laws in Spain. I mean only a 12 year old could think a football club makes up a countries tax laws, right?

And don't even get me started on "EUFA powers" I don't even know what the hell that means. I really hope someone was doing the same as drunk dialing for this post and it's not serious.

A transfer that has nothing to do with Barcelona now getting blamed on them for fixing Spain's tax laws, there "EUFA powers" and connections.

Is there anything football related that happens to someones favorite team that some insane fan hasn't tried to blame on Barcelona?

This one really takes the cake.

The Messiah wrote:

Dnmac4 wrote:Dumbest post I've read in a long long time. Here's an excerpt from it.

"as a result they are using their Eufa powers, connections, and tax laws "

Now people are claiming that Barcelona football club makes up the tax laws in Spain. I mean only a 12 year old could think a football club makes up a countries tax laws, right?

And don't even get me started on "EUFA powers" I don't even know what the hell that means. I really hope someone was doing the same as drunk dialing for this post and it's not serious.

A transfer that has nothing to do with Barcelona now getting blamed on them for fixing Spain's tax laws, there "EUFA powers" and connections.

Is there anything football related that happens to someones favorite team that some insane fan hasn't tried to blame on Barcelona?

This one really takes the cake.

Don't act like you don't know that Barcelona did similar thing to United...?


I advise you to do your research properly, you can start by reading the first post on this thread.


Why always Barcelona...? no one ever gets to sign their transfer target, next season Martinez will probably be playing for them and I think even when that happens everyone here will still call it a coincidence.


it's just a conspiracy theory anyway, no need to get your butt shaved.

harhar11 wrote:

The Messiah wrote:

Dnmac4 wrote:Dumbest post I've read in a long long time. Here's an excerpt from it.

"as a result they are using their Eufa powers, connections, and tax laws "

Now people are claiming that Barcelona football club makes up the tax laws in Spain. I mean only a 12 year old could think a football club makes up a countries tax laws, right?

And don't even get me started on "EUFA powers" I don't even know what the hell that means. I really hope someone was doing the same as drunk dialing for this post and it's not serious.

A transfer that has nothing to do with Barcelona now getting blamed on them for fixing Spain's tax laws, there "EUFA powers" and connections.

Is there anything football related that happens to someones favorite team that some insane fan hasn't tried to blame on Barcelona?

This one really takes the cake.

Don't act like you don't know that Barcelona did similar thing to United...?


I advise you to do your research properly, you can start by reading the first post on this thread.


Why always Barcelona...? no one ever gets to sign their transfer target, next season Martinez will probably be playing for them and I think even when that happens everyone here will still call it a coincidence.


it's just a conspiracy theory anyway, no need to get your butt shaved.

When? in the dinho transfer? If it is, then it is you who needs to do your bloody researched. Man Utd had made a deal with PSG to pay 35M but then Kenyon found out that barca were not willing to pay more than 32M so he just sent 33M to psg and ofc they didnt like it so psg sold him to barca for less out of spite.

Thisnis well known information, so you wouldnt even need to waste alot of your time on finding this information. Infact you just needed go back 1 page in this thread to fins out..

The Messiah wrote:

harhar11 wrote:

The Messiah wrote:

Dnmac4 wrote:Dumbest post I've read in a long long time. Here's an excerpt from it.

"as a result they are using their Eufa powers, connections, and tax laws "

Now people are claiming that Barcelona football club makes up the tax laws in Spain. I mean only a 12 year old could think a football club makes up a countries tax laws, right?

And don't even get me started on "EUFA powers" I don't even know what the hell that means. I really hope someone was doing the same as drunk dialing for this post and it's not serious.

A transfer that has nothing to do with Barcelona now getting blamed on them for fixing Spain's tax laws, there "EUFA powers" and connections.

Is there anything football related that happens to someones favorite team that some insane fan hasn't tried to blame on Barcelona?

This one really takes the cake.

Don't act like you don't know that Barcelona did similar thing to United...?


I advise you to do your research properly, you can start by reading the first post on this thread.


Why always Barcelona...? no one ever gets to sign their transfer target, next season Martinez will probably be playing for them and I think even when that happens everyone here will still call it a coincidence.


it's just a conspiracy theory anyway, no need to get your butt shaved.

When? in the dinho transfer? If it is, then it is you who needs to do your bloody researched. Man Utd had made a deal with PSG to pay 35M but then Kenyon found out that barca were not willing to pay more than 32M so he just sent 33M to psg and ofc they didnt like it so psg sold him to barca for less out of spite.

Thisnis well known information, so you wouldnt even need to waste alot of your time on finding this information. Infact you just needed go back 1 page in this thread to fins out..

Well, Barcelona made up that story it doesn't necessarily means it's the truth.


nevertheless my initial post was meant to be a joke, same as this entire thread, I'm amaze how you're even debating about it.

The Messiah wrote:

harhar11 wrote:

The Messiah wrote:

Dnmac4 wrote:Dumbest post I've read in a long long time. Here's an excerpt from it.

"as a result they are using their Eufa powers, connections, and tax laws "

Now people are claiming that Barcelona football club makes up the tax laws in Spain. I mean only a 12 year old could think a football club makes up a countries tax laws, right?

And don't even get me started on "EUFA powers" I don't even know what the hell that means. I really hope someone was doing the same as drunk dialing for this post and it's not serious.

A transfer that has nothing to do with Barcelona now getting blamed on them for fixing Spain's tax laws, there "EUFA powers" and connections.

Is there anything football related that happens to someones favorite team that some insane fan hasn't tried to blame on Barcelona?

This one really takes the cake.

Don't act like you don't know that Barcelona did similar thing to United...?


I advise you to do your research properly, you can start by reading the first post on this thread.


Why always Barcelona...? no one ever gets to sign their transfer target, next season Martinez will probably be playing for them and I think even when that happens everyone here will still call it a coincidence.


it's just a conspiracy theory anyway, no need to get your butt shaved.

When? in the dinho transfer? If it is, then it is you who needs to do your bloody researched. Man Utd had made a deal with PSG to pay 35M but then Kenyon found out that barca were not willing to pay more than 32M so he just sent 33M to psg and ofc they didnt like it so psg sold him to barca for less out of spite.

Thisnis well known information, so you wouldnt even need to waste alot of your time on finding this information. Infact you just needed go back 1 page in this thread to fins out..

Well, Barcelona made up that story it doesn't necessarily means it's the truth.


nevertheless my initial post was meant to be a joke, same as this entire thread, I'm amaze how you're even debating about it.