Edit: Oh I see.. How has Jordi Alba flopped?

About Arbeloa, he hasnt really flopped seeing as no one expected anything from him. He has been as bad as I expected him to be..

Forza Rossoneri wrote:Keeper flop: 1st - Scezney. 2nd - Given.
Defensive flop: 1st - Van der Wiel. 2nd - Mexes
Midfield flop: 1st - Robben. 2nd - Young
Striker flop: 1st - Benzema. 2nd - van Persie
Coach flop: 1st - van Marwijk. 2nd - Blanc.

Really good post!!!

harhar11 wrote:How has Jordi Alba flopped?

About Arbeloa, he hasnt really flopped seeing as no one expected anything from him. He has been as bad as I expected him to be..

My bad ... I wasn't saying he's bad... just a misunderstanding and I have edited my post

Benzema and Robben were the two that stood out to me.

juventus101 wrote:The flop XI:

--Cech--
--Maggio-- --Heitinga-- --Mexes-- --Van Der Wiel--
--Parker-- --Meireles-- --Xavi--
--Muller-- --Van Persie-- --Benzema--

Come on Xavi's not been a flop. He's been average by his standards. A less known player playing like that would have been praised.

Dutti wrote:

harhar11 wrote:How has Jordi Alba flopped?

About Arbeloa, he hasnt really flopped seeing as no one expected anything from him. He has been as bad as I expected him to be..

My bad ... I wasn't saying he's bad... just a misunderstanding and I have edited my post

I saw that as I edited my post as well

CBarca wrote:
Guy can dribble several people and waste it time and time again. Sick of seeing it. He flopped hard.

CB, I would say even Robben's dribbling which at one time was an absolute delight to watch for me at least isn't even 50% of what it used to be. The guy seems like a complete gone case and that's very sad.

harhar11 wrote:Edit: Oh I see.. How has Jordi Alba flopped?

About Arbeloa, he hasnt really flopped seeing as no one expected anything from him. He has been as bad as I expected him to be..

He's not a bad player at all but you have to judge him for what he is. If you want Dani Alves you'll be disappointed but he'll do a job for you when you need him to.

Arbeloa is an average player and has been so for a long time. He certainly didn't flop.

Maybe it's time Spain seek another RB to replace him.

Zealous wrote:

harhar11 wrote:Edit: Oh I see.. How has Jordi Alba flopped?

About Arbeloa, he hasnt really flopped seeing as no one expected anything from him. He has been as bad as I expected him to be..

He's not a bad player at all but you have to judge him for what he is. If you want Dani Alves you'll be disappointed but he'll do a job for you when you need him to.

That's what im doing hence why I said that he hasn't flopped, as I didnt expect anything from him to start with

But to be honest, he hasnt really done a job at all. He has lost so many stupid balls that has created problem for the team. He has been by far the worst player in Spain, imho ofc.

Arbeloa has been fine, offered zilch going forwad but reliable defensively.Most opposition attacks have come down Alba's side....Arbeloa's side has been on lock pretty much.

I feel like Busquets has been underwhelmed, blame it on Alonso if your heart desires.

How about Neuer

He's actually more attacking than he is at Real Madrid. He's average attacking wise however he gets the job done.

Cotes wrote:Ronaldo the flop at World Cup 2010?????????
don't be bias...Messi was invisible the whole tournament...
CR scored a goal!

Against North Korea, a game they won 7-0

Messi was elected one of the best 10 players of the tournament and he was Vicente del Bosque's personal choice for best player of the tournament. The only reason he could be considered a flop is because of the high standards associated with him, but there's no arguing that he had a good competition, just not as good as everyone hoped.

EarlyPrototype wrote:Surprised no one mentioned Young.Complete utter shit every game.
List is too long though.

I second this. He also underperformed for United in a lot of games; but sometimes, he would get in the mood and tear opposition teams apart.

It is really puzzling how could Young be sometimes so good and other times very very bad.

LOL Barca fans talking down Ronaldo's performance..... from 2010? While he is currently having a better international performance than Messi has EVER had.

Not true as Messi has been performing very well for Argentina recently.

Magic Spray wrote:LOL Barca fans talking down Ronaldo's performance..... from 2010? While he is currently having a better international performance than Messi has EVER had.

Copa America 2007 where messi was named young player of the tournament and scored this golazo


Messi's Copa America 2007 >>>>>> Cristiano Ronaldos Euro 2012 and you can also make a arguement about Messi's Copa America 2011 where he was the top assister and the player that created the most chances...

harhar11 wrote:

you can also make a arguement about Messi's Copa America 2011 where he was the top assister and the player that created the most chances...

is that the same copa america where the argentina fans started whistling him?

Magic Spray wrote:LOL Barca fans talking down Ronaldo's performance..... from 2010? While he is currently having a better international performance than Messi has EVER had.

Hey you need to understand the context. The whole discussion started because I mentioned the flops of previous few major international tournaments. The idea was not to start a club rivalry discussion but to point about those megastars who disappointed big time in each edition. I even mentioned Ronaldinho in 2006 though he played for Barcelona. Then one person began to defend C.Ronaldo for no rhyme or reason and attack Messi. From here the debate started which sadly started boiling into a club rivalry matter but this was just not about Barca fans wanting to put down C.Ronaldo. If you revisit the thread that will become clear.

As for your second point that's worth a debate. Messi in Olympics 2008 was excellent and he carried the team on his back to the trophy. He has been great in some friendlies and world cup qualifiers. However I will admit that none of these is a major international tournament and he is yet to really star in one of those. C.Ronaldo has done that in Euro 2012 and for now it can be claimed that he is ahead of Messi internationally especially if he ends up lifting the trophy. At the cost of sounding very biased C.Ronaldo's performance so far does seem to me at least to be a tad bit overrated. He started performing only from the third game and had two consecutive man of the match performances but one of them was against a poor Czech team and the other against a desperate Dutch side who needed to win by two goals and thus had no time to try marking him and closing down space besides being abysmal defensively. The real test is tomorrow. Star against the world champions and beat them and no one including myself can question him again.

I thought Messi was the flop of 2010 world cup and not C.Ronaldo.

Biggest flop in this year Euro is obviously no one but Barcelona Afellay, he flopped so hard.

The Messiah wrote:I thought Messi was the flop of 2010 world cup and not C.Ronaldo.

Biggest flop in this year Euro is obviously no one but Barcelona Afellay, he flopped so hard.

Afellay barely played last season.

mtfootball wrote:

The Messiah wrote:I thought Messi was the flop of 2010 world cup and not C.Ronaldo.

Biggest flop in this year Euro is obviously no one but Barcelona Afellay, he flopped so hard.

Afellay barely played last season.

We're talking about Euro, ain't we...?

He played most matches for Holland

The Messiah wrote:

mtfootball wrote:

The Messiah wrote:I thought Messi was the flop of 2010 world cup and not C.Ronaldo.

Biggest flop in this year Euro is obviously no one but Barcelona Afellay, he flopped so hard.

Afellay barely played last season.

We're talking about Euro, ain't we...?

He played most matches for Holland

He didn't play very much, which means he might not of been ready for the Euros.

mtfootball wrote:

The Messiah wrote:

mtfootball wrote:

The Messiah wrote:I thought Messi was the flop of 2010 world cup and not C.Ronaldo.

Biggest flop in this year Euro is obviously no one but Barcelona Afellay, he flopped so hard.

Afellay barely played last season.

We're talking about Euro, ain't we...?

He played most matches for Holland

He didn't play very much, which means he might not of been ready for the Euros.

Isn't that more reason why he was the biggest flop, especially since he wasn't as fatigue as other players

Diego Armando Maradona wrote:

harhar11 wrote:

you can also make a arguement about Messi's Copa America 2011 where he was the top assister and the player that created the most chances...

is that the same copa america where the argentina fans started whistling him?

that was to the Argentina team and not to Messi personally.

I am talking about individual performances and not team performances. Compare Messi performances at the Copa America and Ronaldos performances so far at the Euros and Cristiano Ronaldo hasnt been that much better than what Messi was at the Copa. The only difference is that Cristiano Ronaldo teammates that dont rely on him to win, and can put ronaldo through on goal and at the same time defend properly while Messi at the Copa had none of that. He was the only one who could put players through on goal and the less said about Argentinas defence the better..

And lets be honest, Messi at no time in the Copa almost cost Portugal a place in the quarter-finals where as Ronaldo did.

The Messiah wrote:I thought Messi was the flop of 2010 world cup and not C.Ronaldo.

Biggest flop in this year Euro is obviously no one but Barcelona Afellay, he flopped so hard.

Afellay cant be the biggest flop either because he just came from a long term injury and had almost no time to get into form compared that to Benzema who had his best season..

And how was Messi flop of the WC? Most goals from Argentina at the WC came from Messi magic.

The Messiah wrote:

mtfootball wrote:

The Messiah wrote:

mtfootball wrote:

The Messiah wrote:I thought Messi was the flop of 2010 world cup and not C.Ronaldo.

Biggest flop in this year Euro is obviously no one but Barcelona Afellay, he flopped so hard.

Afellay barely played last season.

We're talking about Euro, ain't we...?

He played most matches for Holland

He didn't play very much, which means he might not of been ready for the Euros.

Isn't that more reason why he was the biggest flop, especially since he wasn't as fatigue as other players

You cant just expect someone who had a long term injury to start performing at WC level right away...