Barrettinator wrote:

Kingofeverythingclassy wrote:

Kick wrote:

just as bad as United fans saying Kagawa is better than Hazard.

Kagawa is WAY better than Hazard. Kagawa has won twice a Big league beating Bayern. Hazard has won the French League. Hazard is a flop with the NT & average to barely above average in the CHL.

So at the point Kagawa>>>Hazard. But anyways its a bad buy because United needs Full-Backs & Central Mid-fielders way more than a CAM.

Did he do it on his own?

He was on a team with Goetze, Lewandoski, Hummels, Subotic, etc.

Calm down.

Lewandoski barely played 10-11. And Goetze too. He played mainly when kagawa did not play. 1st half of 10-11 & 2nd half of 11-12 he was injured. And that was when Dortmund scored most points a big lead & that was when Kagawa was playing CAM & Goetze was injured.

And no player can win a league on his own. What are you saying man??? This was a ridiculous thing to say in your part. Ofcourse Dortmund have some good players & a great coach but Kagawa was probably their best player. Its not hard to understand.

And among Hummels & Subotic,I dont rate Subotic,I would rather see Santana play at Dortmund

Noonan22 wrote:Defensively,Ligue 1 has proven to be one of the toughest leagues,with it consistently having the least amount of goals conceded.

Not saying Kagawa is not a great player,but I fail to see how he's "WAY better" or "much more proven" than Hazard.

So?? Hazard's stats are Nothing Extra-ordinary in today's world in a team where he takes PK & the whole team is based on him like say Real is based on Christiano.

He is at this point better & more proven. The BL is on a way higher league than Ligue 1. If you have noticed Ligue1 has slipped to 6th behind Potugese League & If Eredivisie have a season like this year where they amassed huge Eufa Co-efficients they will probably overtake Ligue 1 in 2 years.

That & Kagawa plays for a big team which has a stadium capacity of 80,000 fans & beat Bayern twice. He has played in a high pressure situation & he has done well in the CHL & scored against Arsenal.

He was 10 goals in 30 games for Japan NT.

He is a way bigger player than Hazard. Hazard is 0 with NT & in CHL. Lille came 4th in a group which had mediocre teams all around & even some Trabnozpor or something pipped them.

All of Hazard's accomplishments were in Ligue 1. Seeing how Gervinho turned out,I will reserve my statements regarding Hazard.

He is a big talent,but not proven.

RED 80s. wrote:

Kingofeverythingclassy wrote:

srigooner wrote:

Kingofeverythingclassy wrote:So at the point Kagawa>>>Hazard. But anyways its a bad buy because United needs Full-Backs & Central Mid-fielders way more than a CAM.

Out of curiosity, what happen to those Brazilian twins?

I have always thought they are good for a Sunderland kind of club. For United they are shit. Fabio is atleast decent defensively. Rafael has like 0 ideas about defensive positioning. And that suddenly does not grow. Takes a lot of time.

Even David Luiz's defensive positioning is way better than Rafael. And Evra has at the most 1 or 2 years at a good level,he was probably fallen down quite a lot.

I guess United are content with playing almost 40 year old likes Giggs & Scholes at CM or they are expecting rookies like Cleverly to overshadow a guy like Ozil

Rafael is a very good player. He's only problem is he has discipline issues and concentration lapses, that with time, he will iron out.

He is a very good prospect, but just like many youngsters, is prone to mistakes. Fabio is just too injury prone. He will go on loan next season to get games, which is impossible for him at Utd atm due to Evra never ever being injured.

Both are really talented.

Unfortunately I see 0 talent in Rafael Defensively & Fabio is passable at best. I told my friends 2 years back that they wont make it big or anywhere near big by 2012. This stands.

2014 will give a clear verdict. Time for being youngster & talent will be over.

Kawga proving for NT means squat..im from asia and i know what is the level competition there ...stop talking bull boy.

Kawga riping it on asian crap defenses is nothing to brag about.

Kagwa proven in CL? thats why they went out in the group stage right? Both have nothing to brag about in CL too. Another bull.

Hazard was Ligue 1 player of the season twice. Winning the league once.Bundesliga defenses are even worse than Ligue 1 defenses, so i dont know how you guys can use that ''Ligue 1 is shet'' mantra here.

To be fair, hindsight is 20/20. I don't blame Liverpool fans for trying to justify why Downing would be a better signing than Mata. We fans generally do that, well, the majority of us but it's pretty clear to all and sundry that Mata is a better footballer, that's what had me going really. Oh and the whole "EPL experience" thing.

As for the Kagawa/Hazard argument, chances are neither would really flop in their team but it's nothing silly to say Kagawa is just as talented as Hazard...

Whatever I have seen in this forum, I have learned that it is stupid to expect any courtesy or decency from RM fans when they are writing a reply. No respect whatsoever & you are clearly not capable of that anyway.

2ndly, Japan is a Good team & they have teams like Australia & Korea in the Asia Qualifiers who are also decent teams. In Euro or WC Qualifiers every group had a team like San Marino who cant play football & a team like Moldova barely above San Marino.

And if you come to CHL Kagawa played very well,he showed silky touched,nice movement & vision. Its not his fault his forwards fail to convert despite having like 15 corners,20 shots & 65% possession in matches.

They had a tough Group. Arsenal are a big Club with CHL experience & Marseille make it to the round of 16/8 almost every odd year. And the greek team is very strong at Home. I have always held the view that it was the 2nd Strongest group after Bayern.

Hazard was in a mediocre group when Trabnozpor or something like that came 3rd & they got beaten easily a by a Dutch Club & ironically Inter got beaten by Marseille.

Lille came 3rd this year,Kagwa won 2 Bundesliga's which is arguably one of the toughest leagues in the world as the Bottom Leagues are Super Strong & regularly beat Top Teams too.


The team is not based around him like Hazard's. Belgium has a huge crop of talent. Vertonghen,Vermaelen,Kompany,Toby Alderweireld, Fellaini,Mertens,Mirallis,Hazard. And it is sad to see them beaten by Turkey.

Ligue1 is 6th now behind Portugese League & in huge danger or beaing overtaken by Dutch & Russian Leagues soon. A team like Lyon cant beat Ajax now.


And by your logic Messi or ROnaldo's goals are meaningles since La Liga statistically is not as good in defense as Ligue 1. It does not work that way.

Kagawa plays for a club which beat the 4th(to be 3rd this season) Economic Powerhouse in the world. He won 2 Bundesliga under huge pressure beating bayern who made CHL finals twice.

This is not even a contest. Its a Knock Out. I saw what happened to Gervinho who talent wise but not be as good as Hazard but Statistically(Goals+ Assists) was ahead of Hazard in 1st season.

Hazard can be a huge guy,he has talent but he can be a Gervinho Part 2. His future is up in the air. Kagawa is a proven Sure Shot Winner.
Written in response to Adit's post as my quotes were not working well.

The amount of ignorance on this forum never fails to astound me.

The majority on here probably haven't even watched Hazard more than 5 times so shut the *bleep* up already ffs.

Hazard was back to back young player of the year in 09 & 10 (first foreigner to do that) and was then back 2 back Player of the Year in the following seasons so the "he's not proven" concept is total bullsh*t.

He almost single-handedly carried Lille to their first ever title last year and would have done so this year as well if he had any farrking help this season. I mean his best teammate was a 31 year old injury prone & out of shape Joe Cole ffs. He was the focal point of his team, Kagawa has never been the main man at Dortmund so if anyone's unproven it's Kagawa.

Yeah Hazard flopped in the CL but so did Kagawa with a much much better team.

As for the "it's only Ligue 1" rubbish. That League has produced far more genuine World Class superstars than Bundesliga in the past 10 years so stop treating it like the SPL ffs.

In terms of talent it's not even comparable. Kagawa's obviously no scrub but come on Hazard's peak is Ronaldo/Messi level. And if we're bringing stats into the debate Messi and Hazard were the only players in the Top 5 Leagues to end the season with 20 goals & 15+ assists.

EDIT: Oh and Kagawa wasn't/isn't the best player in the Bundesliga. Stop it, just stop. That's just disrespectful to the likes of Robben, Ribery, Schweinsteiger, Reus, Gotze etc

Gil and King: Take a 5 minute break from the forums and have a glass of water. Cool off a bit and settle down.

Gil Kagawa is officially the best BL player choosen by the DFB. The ammount of disrespect to Kagawa in your post is astonishing, and you are the one saying "don't talk without watching him first".

EDIT: I'm not implying that Kagawa is the better player, as I think the opposite - but try to give some respect you are asking for.

Gil wrote:The amount of ignorance on this forum never fails to astound me.

The majority on here probably haven't even watched Hazard more than 5 times so shut the *bleep* up already ffs.

Hazard was back to back young player of the year in 09 & 10 (first foreigner to do that) and was then back 2 back Player of the Year in the following seasons so the "he's not proven" concept is total bullsh*t.

He almost single-handedly carried Lille to their first ever title last year and would have done so this year as well if he had any farrking help this season. I mean his best teammate was a 31 year old injury prone & out of shape Joe Cole ffs. He was the focal point of his team, Kagawa has never been the main man at Dortmund so if anyone's unproven it's Kagawa.

Yeah Hazard flopped in the CL but so did Kagawa with a much much better team.

As for the "it's only Ligue 1" rubbish. That League has produced far more genuine World Class superstars than Bundesliga in the past 10 years so stop treating it like the SPL ffs.

In terms of talent it's not even comparable. Kagawa's obviously no scrub but come on Hazard's peak is Ronaldo/Messi level. And if we're bringing stats into the debate Messi and Hazard were the only players in the Top 5 Leagues to end the season with 20 goals & 15+ assists.

EDIT: Oh and Kagawa wasn't/isn't the best player in the Bundesliga. Stop it, just stop. That's just disrespectful to the likes of Robben, Ribery, Schweinsteiger, Reus, Gotze etc

As providing World Class players BL is already the 3rd Best League & a World Class League. The team is full of World Class players.

Ligue1 is a tier to league soon to become Tier 3 league to be overtaken by DUtch & Russian leagues. Their best players this season are Belhanda & best scorer is Giroud.

None of them can be starts at Bayern,possibly not even a bench warmer. Cisse & Ba were moderate successes at BL & never made it to the best clubs. And now they are suddenly the best Strikers in EPL. So by your logic what has this got to do with EPL standards??


BTW Ligue1 is not a Top5 League. Its 6th now according to Eufa. And Hazard takes Penalties & the team is based on him.

I am a Bayern fan & i can admit without a shame that Kagwa is the Player of the season. That is why Dortmund have 2 trophies while we have 0. Kagawa would probably walk into a team like Chelsea & beat every player on talent.

And Kagawa has been Dortmund's main guy this season beating Goetze who with Neymar is one of most promising youngster in the planet(hyped or regarded).

BL with 3 CHL spots has beaten Seria A in Eufa rankings & in now making co-efficients on part with EPL if not better. Now with 4 spots & teams getting stronger & FFP kicking in dont be surprised if BL overtake EPL in Eufa rankings in the next 4-5 years.

I calling it now.

*Sigh*