Theres no way playing the right football, his style may not be the dominant side, but he has proven it works from Porto to Madrid. Therefore hes GOAT for it imo. Same goes for Pep, other than barca fans, there arent many fans who would say Pep played a beautiful football. Its sidepass sidepass, backpass, sidepass, sidepass, shot on goal, sidepass etc.........

You dont seem to have any intrest in the famous history of your club, thats why you dont care.

Its not up to me to judge what kind of fan that makes you, but I think many Madrid fans do care and want to play the best way they can.

Winning has never been enough for Madrid and its fans, and thats probably the way is should be.

Madrid is bigger than Mourinho, you should probably think about that. Because right now, it sounds like your a bigger fan of him than your club.

Nameless wrote:Theres no way playing the right football, his style may not be the dominant side, but he has proven it works from Porto to Madrid. Therefore hes GOAT for it imo. Same goes for Pep, other than barca fans, there arent many fans who would say Pep played a beautiful football. Its sidepass sidepass, backpass, sidepass, sidepass, shot on goal, sidepass etc.........

you know damn well you are just making a caricature of barca. Regardless, this is not about right or wrong football.

Like Salgado said, Madrid has been attached to a certain way of playing football for a very long time. It's part of our tradition, playing a form of football that was centered around movements, passing, attacking always, controlling the flow of games etc...

Stylistically, although he is winning, Mourinho plays nothing like that. That's why Salgado is saying that although Mourinho can bring you success, he will never bring you that form of football and some traditional madrid fans will always languish we would return to those ways.

Mourinhio's style fully exploits a couple of our strengths , I don;t think we should move away from it completely, but I do think it should be combined with other styles and more importantly every attacker should be on the same page as to what exactly they're trying to do.

And what we're trying to do should not be find Ronaldo if your life depends on it.

It's a variant on my Spain dream, but I think that a long 60 game season means we actually have a chance to make it completely work.

And I don't care that only 11 players can be on the pitch at any given time Dani.

22 players can learn how to play 2 different ways.

I disagree, but okay.

Le Samourai wrote:Mourinhio's style fully exploits a couple of our strengths

More like, Mourinho built a team to fit his strengths as a coach.

And again, dont hold your breath waiting for "new styles", that aint happening, not with Mourinho. He knows only one way, at some point he will let the players do as they like, but in the money time, drop the lines, counter.

Mourinho adapts his strategy according to the opposition. This season Real has played on the counter, has parked the bus, has attacked head on, and has even mantained possession in his own version of tiki-taka.

I don't see how he is bad at all. He plays 90% of the games extremely offensively. When he is winning versus an important opponent he plays on the counter, I don't see the problem with that.

Why does everyone have to keep the same tactic for the whole of the match? Just because Barca do it doesnt mean everyone should.

For the last time playing on the counter is not the problem.

It's dropping the lines as Nick is saying.

Also we may tiki but we definitely do not taka lol.

What a joke!
And that's why real madrid will never be winners for more than one year in a row. Too much hate and jealousy in this club.

The force is with Barcelona, always will be.

The Franchise wrote:Silence. You obviously didnt watch the team play.

5312 is just name, it played more like 3412 in attack and was very expansive.

You guys will do anything to protect Mourinho, even if it means altering your history.

You obviously didn't read the post saying that a 5-3-2 is offensive minded and nothing else

Just because ONE team used the formation and excelled in attack with it doesn't make the formation in GENERAL offensive minded.

A 5-3-2 is a Defensive formation.

A 3-5-2 is an offensive formation.

I don't know how you can possibly argue that a 5-3-2 is an attack minded formation. We were talking about the 5-3-2 in general not Del Bosque teams 5-3-2.

The Franchise wrote:Del Bosque's 5312 defensive?

My lord...did Madrid fans even watch their own team play? smh

Obviously it was offensive (just like our team now is offensively orientated) but when that team went to Old Trafford or the Camp Nou it defended with 5 at the back. Salgado included.

I'm not making this up, the team defended when it had to and a lot of the important goals it scored were "counter attacks" that Salgado seems to be belittling here. This only happened rarely though since most of the time the team looked to build patiently and our fullbacks would always come up to support the attack. But we can do that just as well now.

I respectfully disagree with Salgado here, this team's style is fine with me. It can get better but I'm OK with the "style"

Mr Nick09 wrote:

Nameless wrote:Theres no way playing the right football, his style may not be the dominant side, but he has proven it works from Porto to Madrid. Therefore hes GOAT for it imo. Same goes for Pep, other than barca fans, there arent many fans who would say Pep played a beautiful football. Its sidepass sidepass, backpass, sidepass, sidepass, shot on goal, sidepass etc.........

you know damn well you are just making a caricature of barca. Regardless, this is not about right or wrong football.

Like Salgado said, Madrid has been attached to a certain way of playing football for a very long time. It's part of our tradition, playing a form of football that was centered around movements, passing, attacking always, controlling the flow of games etc...

Stylistically, although he is winning, Mourinho plays nothing like that. That's why Salgado is saying that although Mourinho can bring you success, he will never bring you that form of football and some traditional madrid fans will always languish we would return to those ways.

The only football Madrid's really cares about is winning football.

Playing nice is obviously important as well for the club/fans but don't think for a second anyone would choose playing nicely over winning.

Zealous wrote:

The Franchise wrote:Del Bosque's 5312 defensive?

My lord...did Madrid fans even watch their own team play? smh

Obviously it was offensive (just like our team now is offensively orientated) but when that team went to Old Trafford or the Camp Nou it defended with 5 at the back. Salgado included.

I'm not making this up, the team defended when it had to and a lot of the important goals it scored were "counter attacks" that Salgado seems to be belittling here. This only happened rarely though since most of the time the team looked to build patiently and our fullbacks would always come up to support the attack. But we can do that just as well now.

I respectfully disagree with Salgado here, this team's style is fine with me. It can get better but I'm OK with the "style"

Every team has been forced on the defence before and I dont think anyone has a problem with counter attack. Salgado is speaking abot something much more general to me.

Your team is more reactive than proactive in big games to me, and I think Salgado.

Mourinho has done well with the resources he was set with and has acquired. However, Michel Salgado is right, to a certain extent. For instance, Mourinho has had more than a season to build a great midfield, and he hasn't done that. In the two games against Bayern Munich, Real Madrid were outclassed in midfield, the problem was apparent. Each time Xabi Alonso received the ball, Khedira was more than open and he could have released it to him. But, Khedira isn't capable of dictating play. That's where Real Madrid struggle the most, to be honest. On the bright side, they have Sahin ready for next season, so it's going to be interesting to see how the Turk is going to be utilised.

The Franchise wrote:

Zealous wrote:

The Franchise wrote:Del Bosque's 5312 defensive?

My lord...did Madrid fans even watch their own team play? smh

Obviously it was offensive (just like our team now is offensively orientated) but when that team went to Old Trafford or the Camp Nou it defended with 5 at the back. Salgado included.

I'm not making this up, the team defended when it had to and a lot of the important goals it scored were "counter attacks" that Salgado seems to be belittling here. This only happened rarely though since most of the time the team looked to build patiently and our fullbacks would always come up to support the attack. But we can do that just as well now.

I respectfully disagree with Salgado here, this team's style is fine with me. It can get better but I'm OK with the "style"

Every team has been forced on the defence before and I dont think anyone has a problem with counter attack. Salgado is speaking abot something much more general to me.

Your team is more reactive than proactive in big games to me, and I think Salgado.

Yes it is something the team has to work on I agree.

Overall though I think most are happy with the team since there is promise of further improvement.

Z we had this argument before, we are winners and that's what drives whatever philosophy or idea attached to Madrid. But that's also what Salgado said, everyone is aware that we needed some winning, but it's hard after two years to overlook the style. To me that's the holy grail, winning + style of play.

Exactly, plus it's hard to satisfy Real Madrid fans anyway, and I mean that in the nicest way possible. Thanks to Mourinho, the club seems much more stable regardless of some of the stuff he says. The only worry for Real Madrid fans is that playing defensive can lead to them losing games, and it has on a few occasions. A little bit more of an adventurous approach would help Mourinho out a lot, and he has the right players to inflict a lot of damage.

Le Samourai wrote:
Also we may tiki but we definitely do not taka lol.

wut.

Anyway, I think it's obvious we would all like to play with our own style, that kind of agressive, attacking yet technical and attractive style. We do sometimes. Its true against big teams we do differently, but didnt you see how we pressed against Barca and Bayern until we got the lead? This makes me think that there is still hope.

The Franchise wrote:Del Bosque's 5312 defensive?

My lord...did Madrid fans even watch their own team play? smh

Interesting formation you have there... :lol!:


On topic, we don't have the midfield which could dominate top teams. Not Mou's, Salgado's or our style's fault. Formations and tactics work as long as the player quality is up there to exploit them
You guys could discuss every tactic or formation day or night long but there's no way Xabi+Khedira+Özil would dominate Gustavo+piggy+Kroos or Biscuit+Xavi+Iniesta midfield