Imo, the amount of goals you score in relation to the total possession time you have is a very good indicator on how ruthless the team is attacking. So I thought this would make for some interesting statistics.

The simple formula: amount of games * 90 minutes * average possession = total minutes of possession.
Total minutes of possession / goals scored = goals scored per minute of possession.

Real Madrid: 50 games * 90 minutes * 59,5 % / 154 goals = 1 goal every 17,4 minutes of possession.
Barcelona: 55 games * 90 minutes * 69,5 % / 165 goals = 1 goal every 20,9 minutes of possession.
Manchester United: 48 games * 90 minutes * 57,3 % / 108 goals = 1 goal every 22,9 minutes of possession.
Manchester City: 47 games * 90 minutes * 57,7 % / 107 goals = 1 goal every 22,8 minutes of possession.
Bayern Munich: 47 games * 90 minutes * 63,9 % / 108 goals = 1 goal every 25 minutes of possession.
AC Milan: 47 games * 90 minutes * 58,8 % / 88 goals = 1 goal every 28,3 minutes of possession.
Arsenal: 49 games * 90 minutes * 59.5 % / 88 goals = 1 goal every 29.3 minutes of possession.
Liverpool: 45 games * 90 minutes * 55.3 % / 71 goals = 1 goal every 31.5 minutes of possession.
Juventus (Serie A only): 32 games * 90 minutes * 61.2% / 53 goals = 1 goal every 33.3 minutes of possession.

Feel free to do statistics for more teams and I'll add them to the list.

I now realize I didn't say anything controversial to spark a discussion, so here it goes:

Bayern Munichs attack is way way overrated, Real Madrid is 40 % more effective with the ball than Bayern while still being an possession strong side.

Also, another interesting stat:
Cristiano Ronaldo have 1 goal every 48 minute of Real Madrid possession.
Messi have 1 goal every 52,3 minute of Barcelona possession.

This is not a way to compare attacks,since possession could also mean defenders passing the ball to each other. Possession in opponent's half is another thing though.

There is no debate because everyone understands that Madrid have the best attacking by a faaaaaaar margin.

milanfan7 wrote: This is not a way to compare attacks,since possession could also mean defenders passing the ball to each other. Possession in opponent's half is another thing though.

See my phrasing in the opening sentence. Also why I choose the word ruthless, since more effective teams prefer to use their possession constructively combined with the ability to do so (being able to finish of chances). Even if the game is dead and buried, a ruthless team continue to go forward.

this way madrid looks better but considering also the fact that keeping more possession makes the opponent keeping less possession in an el classico still barca has the advantage
so all madrid has to do is try to balance the possession therefore that way madrid has more chances to win the game basing by the stats

dunnow if im sayin the obvious just thinking out loud

Arsenal 49 games * 90 minutes * 59.5 % / 88 goals = 1 goal every 29.3 minutes of possession.

Liverpool 45 games * 90 minutes * 55.3 % / 71goals = 1 goal every 31.5 minutes of possession.

U need to take into account that 31 of liverpool goals have come in Cup games 31 goals in 12 games

if you remove the cups it would be


Liverpool 33 games * 90 minutes * 55.3 % / 40goals = 1 goal every 41 minutes of possession.

just wait till the farca fans come in and add a shitload of variables just to make sure they are on top...

btw tottenham stats anyone?

i think its about a goal every 27mins just based on a quick average.....

Make sure you adjust the minutes for each era. two minutes in 1973 are obviously much longer than in 2012.

Zealous wrote:Make sure you adjust the minutes for each era. two minutes in 1973 are obviously much longer than in 2012.

dont spoil the fun

paperbackwriter wrote:I now realize I didn't say anything controversial to spark a discussion, so here it goes:

Bayern Munichs attack is way way overrated, Real Madrid is 40 % more effective with the ball than Bayern while still being an possession strong side.

Or La Liga defenses in general are worse than the Bundesliga defenses.

rwo power wrote:

paperbackwriter wrote:I now realize I didn't say anything controversial to spark a discussion, so here it goes:

Bayern Munichs attack is way way overrated, Real Madrid is 40 % more effective with the ball than Bayern while still being an possession strong side.

Or La Liga defenses in general are worse than the Bundesliga defenses.

nah , la liga defenses havent been that bad tbf

Lol whoever tried to make a connection between these stats is

Albiceleste wrote:Lol whoever tried to make a connection between these stats is

Care to elaborate?

Saying a goal for every x minutes of posession isnt ruthlessness, maybe x minutes of posession in the final third would be better. Using average amount of total posession is too broad imo and doesnt prove anything really except who is more direct and more clinical in oosession

Zealous wrote:There is no debate because everyone understands that Madrid have the best attacking by a faaaaaaar margin.

I thought Madrid played defensive with Mou :vagi:

Zealous wrote:Make sure you adjust the minutes for each era. two minutes in 1973 are obviously much longer than in 2012.

lol.

If we were to make an "era adjustment" based on impossible to find statistics then it would be something along the line "actual minutes played out of a 90 minute game". There was less theatrics, discussion and time wasting back in the days. Meaning that there probably was more minutes played each game.

If I had jiopsis excel skills, time, determination and sheer talent when it comes to making stats speak the language he wants. Then I'd right now be "proving" that this Real Madrid is the most effective goalscoring machine of all time.

Albiceleste wrote:Saying a goal for every x minutes of posession isnt ruthlessness, maybe x minutes of posession in the final third would be better. Using average amount of total posession is too broad imo and doesnt prove anything really except who is more direct and more clinical in oosession

It proves: intention when you have the ball in the team (meaning that you set out to search for the goal as fast as possible when you have the ball). As well as how good you are at scoring out of the time you get on the ball. Thus ruthlessness is a good word. What possession in the final third proves is how compact your opposition is defending and how little they are pressuring you.

Anti-DNA wrote:

Zealous wrote:There is no debate because everyone understands that Madrid have the best attacking by a faaaaaaar margin.

I thought Madrid played defensive with Mou :vagi:

302 goals in 109 games in his first two seasons. With 8, possibly 9 if we reach the CL final, games to go.

Guardiola had 296 goals in his first two full seasons at Barca. 121 games.

:vagi:

:vagi:

Dont think that you can take anything from this stat because teams dont play the same tactic against every team, except if you are barca, so some team will have it harder to score than others. I mean, anyone who have seen barca and real madrid play knows that the opponent plays much more defensively against Barca than they do against Real Madrid. So its pretty obvious that it will take longer for Barca to score than Real Madrid(you can apply this logic to other team as well)....

But even then for all this talk that barca only make sideways passes between their defenders a.k.a boring football, they only have to wait to score 3 min more than Real Madrid, who most here says plays the most direct football in the world and most entertaining...

paperbackwriter wrote:
Real Madrid: 50 games * 90 minutes * 59,5 % / 154 goals = 1 goal every 17,4 minutes of possession.
Barcelona: 55 games * 90 minutes * 69,5 % / 165 goals = 1 goal every 20,9 minutes of possession.

Add this to the OP:

Juventus (Serie A only): 32 games * 90 minutes * 61.2% / 53 goals = 1 goal every 33.3 minutes of possession.

Kind of expected our number to be crap, we have endless amounts of possession and create tons of chances but fail to finish.

BTW, does anybody have the possession stats for Juve in Coppa Italia?

harhar11 wrote:Dont think that you can take anything from this stat because teams dont play the same tactic against every team, except if you are barca, so some team will have it harder to score than others. I mean, anyone who have seen barca and real madrid play knows that the opponent plays much more defensively against Barca than they do against Real Madrid. So its pretty obvious that it will take longer for Barca to score than Real Madrid(you can apply this logic to other team as well)....

But even then for all this talk that barca only make sideways passes between their defenders a.k.a boring football, they only have to wait to score 3 min more than Real Madrid, who most here says plays the most direct football in the world and most entertaining...

paperbackwriter wrote:
Real Madrid: 50 games * 90 minutes * 59,5 % / 154 goals = 1 goal every 17,4 minutes of possession.
Barcelona: 55 games * 90 minutes * 69,5 % / 165 goals = 1 goal every 20,9 minutes of possession.

No just no.

Besides when you let the other team have the ball a bit more they start attacking opening the game up.

Zealous wrote:

harhar11 wrote:Dont think that you can take anything from this stat because teams dont play the same tactic against every team, except if you are barca, so some team will have it harder to score than others. I mean, anyone who have seen barca and real madrid play knows that the opponent plays much more defensively against Barca than they do against Real Madrid. So its pretty obvious that it will take longer for Barca to score than Real Madrid(you can apply this logic to other team as well)....

But even then for all this talk that barca only make sideways passes between their defenders a.k.a boring football, they only have to wait to score 3 min more than Real Madrid, who most here says plays the most direct football in the world and most entertaining...

paperbackwriter wrote:
Real Madrid: 50 games * 90 minutes * 59,5 % / 154 goals = 1 goal every 17,4 minutes of possession.
Barcelona: 55 games * 90 minutes * 69,5 % / 165 goals = 1 goal every 20,9 minutes of possession.

No just no.

Besides when you let the other team have the ball a bit more they start attacking opening the game up.

Anyone who have seen both team plays knows that its true. Most team only dare to attack barca very few times per game and have 10 players close to their own penalty area while most of the attack that real madrid makes are counter-attack, hence why most say that real madrid are a direct team, and for that to happend you will have to have space left by the opposite team trying to attack..


The reason why they dont have the ball is, while barca are the best at keeping the ball, the opponents simply dont care about it. If they actually cared to keep possesion then they would keep it for faaaar longer than just 30% and a perfect example is your team. Last season you had possesion at the 30% because you didn't care to keep possesion because you wanted to be cautious against barca and ,when you had the opportunity, to counter attack and yet this season you had at 40% and in the first leg of the supercup you had close to 50% IIRC

Now tell me what I have said that is wrong?