I think world is polarising around Nato and Shanghai Comittee (China, Russia, Iran, India, possibly Brazil and Pakistan). Nato will try to finish its work from 20 years time aka total dominance and control. The league of countries will be uniting against this, but there is a great possibility that the union will crack itself (India/China conflicts for instance). US is creating a puppet in the face of neo-Osman Empire.

The main propaganda will be used: "civil rights in danger" from NATO and "fight imperialism" from Shanghai Comittee.


I predict proxy wars, not global conflict. Risks too high

Also, if you wear this hat, NATO satellite's thought-rays can't get to your brain:

If somebody attacks iran there will be a mess in middle east.

Just look how european countries take their oil sanctions back after just 1 month. oil's price went crazy after sanctions.

Iran is no easy.

Anyone would be stupid to attack iran. With the current economic climate, the last thing anyone would want is the shortage of Oil and the price inflation.

RealGunner wrote:Anyone would be stupid to attack iran. With the current economic climate, the last thing anyone would want is the shortage of Oil and the price inflation.

Saudi increases oil extraction, US too plus reserves=Profit

No one would dare attack Iran.

They have the backing of Great Leader Chávez and our mighty world spanning military.

:vagi:

Grande_Milano wrote:

RealGunner wrote:Anyone would be stupid to attack iran. With the current economic climate, the last thing anyone would want is the shortage of Oil and the price inflation.

Saudi increases oil extraction, US too plus reserves=Profit

Saudi will have pressure on them to not do that by the countries around it. Its easy to think of the profit but Saudi are rich, they care more about politcs than Money

Isn't Iran economically tight with India and China, anyways? Two nuclear armed countries who I doubt would take the US side incase of this near impossible scenario.

I haven't seen those videos, but are they as insane as they sound?

Why Nuclear Power Can't Solve the CO2 Problem


The Amount of Plutonium in the Nagasaki Bomb


The Radioactive Byproducts of Depleted Uranium (Uranium-238)


Proliferation of nuclear power will be accompanied by a multiplication of nuclear weapons states. Nuclear proponents have long known that uranium supplies will not outlast oil supplies if tens of thousands of reactors are built. Thus nuclear power cannot replace a significant fraction of oil unless plutonium is used as the nuclear fuel of the future. It is no accident that the countries most committed to nuclear power – France, Japan, India, Russia, England – have all made large investments in plutonium recycling technology. Using plutonium as a commercially traded fuel guarantees that this nuclear explosive material will fall into the hands of criminal organizations and terrorist groups. The advent of a plutonium economy makes a nuclear-weapons free world impossible.

:vagi:

Sushi Master wrote:Isn't Iran economically tight with India and China, anyways? Two nuclear armed countries who I doubt would take the US side incase of this near impossible scenario.

I haven't seen those videos, but are they as insane as they sound?

They have recently became really tight with Pakistan too, ever since the Nato attacks on Pakistani army, and some US congressman presented a bill about Giving the province of Balochistan (next to Iran) independence...a Province which is as dangerous as the Northern Area(Taliban area) due to many "foreign hands" having stakes in the resources available there

Iran is not a Arab nation only muslim. Shia muslim is the majority and like all are using the against Islam to gain support from others. Yet they banned Sunni muslims from congregating at prayers marking the end of Ramadan. In recent decades, Iranian authorities have refused Sunnis permission to build their own mosques in Tehran. There is currently no Sunni mosque in the capital, despite there being several churches and synagogues for much smaller Christian and Jewish populations. .Other religious minorities in Iran have been facing restrictions. Seven leaders of the Bahá'í community are serving 20-year jail sentences. Bahá'ís in Iran are deprived of rights such as education or owning businesses and are often persecuted for their beliefs. Now see how are the 85 percent of the worlds majority muslim community which are in fact Sunni eats up the Islam theory?

Then let me explain again what control nuclear safety and the fuel cycle in todays world. Any electric power generating plant is only one part of a total energy cycle. The uranium fuel cycle that is employed for LWR systems currently dominates worldwide nuclear power production and includes many steps. Uranium, which contains about 0.7 percent uranium-235, is obtained from either surface or underground mines. The ore is concentrated by milling and then shipped to a conversion plant, where its elemental form is changed to uranium hexafluoride gas (UF6). At an isotope enrichment plant, the gas is forced against a porous barrier that permits the lighter uranium-235 to penetrate more readily than uranium-238. This process enriches uranium to about 3 percent uranium-235. The depleted uranium—the tailings—contain about 0.3 percent uranium-235. The enriched product is sent to a fuel fabrication plant, where the UF6 gas is converted to uranium oxide powder, then into ceramic pellets that are loaded into corrosion-resistant fuel rods. These are assembled into fuel elements and are shipped to the reactor power plant. This is the bit what all the fuzz and Irans Nuclear program is all about.

The world’s supply of enriched uranium fuel for powering commercial nuclear power plants is produced by five consortiums located in the United States, Western Europe, Russia, and Japan. The United States consortium—the federally owned United States Enrichment Corporation—produces 40 percent of this enriched uranium.

Five consortiums located in the United States, Western Europe, Russia, and Japan. Do you get that. What happens now when a country who are know for supporting certain terrorist groups and with a bad reputation is trying to bypass those consortiums that is there to see if anyone is trying to make nuclear weapons by checking the orders. That's why Russia said. Get the Fuel from us and do not try and make your own. We will supply it to you. It will cost cheaper with less lives and health of Iranian people put at stake. There is two way to increase the fuel either with a breeder reactor which the inspectors did not find or they are hiding which means they are busy making weapons which I believe are not the case. Btw this is all you need to make a couple of bombs.


A Nuclear reactor omits 100 trillion becquerels of tritium into the atmosphere, and an even greater amount into the water. What happened to the Ukraine who tried to do their own thing wth so called peaceful power? Their engineers/scientists blew up the plant leaving a fall out that reached the UK. That is why UK meats were banned. Go check up Chernobyl if you do not believe it. The damage could have been avoided if it was build to the safety standards. About 135,000 people were evacuated, and more than 30 died. The plant was encased in concrete. By 1988, however, the other three Chernobyl' reactors were back in operation. One of the three remaining reactors was shut down in 1991 because of a fire in the reactor building. In 1994 Western nations developed a financial aid package to help close the entire plant, and a year later the Ukrainian government finally agreed to a plan that would shut down the remaining reactors by the year 2000. Iran is still in the beginning stage and although they have educated engineers to they know more than russian ones who had been working with real reactors and not smaller testing reactors? So for one the inspectors are for the first and most important things. That of the safety of Irans and its own people. Bypassing the consortium means large stockpile of weapons-grade plutonium could be accumulated without fear of detection. In fact, this trick has already been attempted in a different context, and there is a Canadian connection to the story. When Israeli jets leveled Iraq's OSIRAK reactor near Baghdad in 1981, Prime Minister Menachem Begin justified his action on the grounds that the Iraqis were intending to produce plutonium for bombs by a method similar to the one just described. This allegation was supported by an IAEA inspector, who had resigned his job in order to provide public testimony to that effect.

Just about a year before the Israeli bombing raid, Eldorado Nuclear Limited was engaged in a bizarre transaction set up by the West Germans. After chemically refining some depleted uranium from Britain, Eldorado sent the material to a firm in the U.S. to be fabricated into metal rods and then returned to Port Hope, Ontario. American officials became extremely curious and began asking questions. What on earth did Eldorado want with depleted uranium? It soon emerged that the ultimate destination fro the material was Iraq. The deal was hastily squelched.

Then everyone will believe them if Iran allow to let the inspectors test their nuclear waste. The nuclear waste will show if there is any weapons grade plutonium in it or 239 has been made. That would have ended all the sanctions and most of the problems. But why did they refuse? It is toxic waste which needs to spent time in wet and dry storage by being cooled and shielded with water for 7 to 25 years. It is like the crap that was flushed down your toilet. Why not let them test it to show your innocence and that you are trying to generate power?

And nuclear power does not cost lest than other power methods. The reason why the US has not build a nuclear power plant in 30 is that it cost 85 Billion compared to all the other power types combine which is 11 Billion. And no the US plants are privately owned but the Federal state still enforce certain regulations to how things must be acquired to it.

In the United States and other countries many groups oppose nuclear power. In addition, high construction costs, strict building and operating regulations, and high costs for waste disposal make nuclear power plants much more expensive to build and operate than plants that burn fossil fuels. In some industrialized countries, the nuclear power industry has come under growing pressure to cut operating expenses and become more cost-competitive. Other countries have begun or planned to phase out nuclear power completely.

At the end of the 20th century, many experts viewed Asia as the only possible growth area for nuclear power. In the late 1990s, China, Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan had nuclear power plants under construction. However, many European nations were reducing or reversing their commitments to nuclear power. For example, Sweden committed to phasing out nuclear power by 2010. France canceled several planned reactors and was considering the replacement of aging nuclear plants with environmentally safer fossil-fuel plants. Germany announced plans in 1998 to phase out nuclear energy. In the United States, no new reactors had been ordered since 1978.

In 1996, 21.9 percent of the electricity generated in the United States was produced by nuclear power. By 1998 that amount had decreased to 20 percent. Because no orders for nuclear plants have been placed since 1978, this share should continue to decline as existing nuclear plants are eventually closed. In 1998 Commonwealth Edison, the largest private owner and operator of nuclear plants in the United States, had only four of 12 nuclear power plants online. Industry experts points out that economic, safety, and labor problems as reasons for these shutdowns.

I am not even going to go into the missiles which are military ineffective for their range without a nuclear payload.

Spooony wrote:Iran is not a Arab nation only muslim. Shia muslim is the majority and like all are using the against Islam to gain support from others. Yet they banned Sunni muslims from congregating at prayers marking the end of Ramadan. In recent decades, Iranian authorities have refused Sunnis permission to build their own mosques in Tehran. There is currently no Sunni mosque in the capital, despite there being several churches and synagogues for much smaller Christian and Jewish populations. .Other religious minorities in Iran have been facing restrictions. Seven leaders of the Bahá'í community are serving 20-year jail sentences. Bahá'ís in Iran are deprived of rights such as education or owning businesses and are often persecuted for their beliefs. Now see how are the 85 percent of the worlds majority muslim community which are in fact Sunni eats up the Islam theory?

Then let me explain again what control nuclear safety and the fuel cycle in todays world. Any electric power generating plant is only one part of a total energy cycle. The uranium fuel cycle that is employed for LWR systems currently dominates worldwide nuclear power production and includes many steps. Uranium, which contains about 0.7 percent uranium-235, is obtained from either surface or underground mines. The ore is concentrated by milling and then shipped to a conversion plant, where its elemental form is changed to uranium hexafluoride gas (UF6). At an isotope enrichment plant, the gas is forced against a porous barrier that permits the lighter uranium-235 to penetrate more readily than uranium-238. This process enriches uranium to about 3 percent uranium-235. The depleted uranium—the tailings—contain about 0.3 percent uranium-235. The enriched product is sent to a fuel fabrication plant, where the UF6 gas is converted to uranium oxide powder, then into ceramic pellets that are loaded into corrosion-resistant fuel rods. These are assembled into fuel elements and are shipped to the reactor power plant. This is the bit what all the fuzz and Irans Nuclear program is all about.

The world’s supply of enriched uranium fuel for powering commercial nuclear power plants is produced by five consortiums located in the United States, Western Europe, Russia, and Japan. The United States consortium—the federally owned United States Enrichment Corporation—produces 40 percent of this enriched uranium.

Five consortiums located in the United States, Western Europe, Russia, and Japan. Do you get that. What happens now when a country who are know for supporting certain terrorist groups and with a bad reputation is trying to bypass those consortiums that is there to see if anyone is trying to make nuclear weapons by checking the orders. That's why Russia said. Get the Fuel from us and do not try and make your own. We will supply it to you. It will cost cheaper with less lives and health of Iranian people put at stake. There is two way to increase the fuel either with a breeder reactor which the inspectors did not find or they are hiding which means they are busy making weapons which I believe are not the case. Btw this is all you need to make a couple of bombs.


A Nuclear reactor omits 100 trillion becquerels of tritium into the atmosphere, and an even greater amount into the water. What happened to the Ukraine who tried to do their own thing wth so called peaceful power? Their engineers/scientists blew up the plant leaving a fall out that reached the UK. That is why UK meats were banned. Go check up Chernobyl if you do not believe it. The damage could have been avoided if it was build to the safety standards. About 135,000 people were evacuated, and more than 30 died. The plant was encased in concrete. By 1988, however, the other three Chernobyl' reactors were back in operation. One of the three remaining reactors was shut down in 1991 because of a fire in the reactor building. In 1994 Western nations developed a financial aid package to help close the entire plant, and a year later the Ukrainian government finally agreed to a plan that would shut down the remaining reactors by the year 2000. Iran is still in the beginning stage and although they have educated engineers to they know more than russian ones who had been working with real reactors and not smaller testing reactors? So for one the inspectors are for the first and most important things. That of the safety of Irans and its own people. Bypassing the consortium means large stockpile of weapons-grade plutonium could be accumulated without fear of detection. In fact, this trick has already been attempted in a different context, and there is a Canadian connection to the story. When Israeli jets leveled Iraq's OSIRAK reactor near Baghdad in 1981, Prime Minister Menachem Begin justified his action on the grounds that the Iraqis were intending to produce plutonium for bombs by a method similar to the one just described. This allegation was supported by an IAEA inspector, who had resigned his job in order to provide public testimony to that effect.

Just about a year before the Israeli bombing raid, Eldorado Nuclear Limited was engaged in a bizarre transaction set up by the West Germans. After chemically refining some depleted uranium from Britain, Eldorado sent the material to a firm in the U.S. to be fabricated into metal rods and then returned to Port Hope, Ontario. American officials became extremely curious and began asking questions. What on earth did Eldorado want with depleted uranium? It soon emerged that the ultimate destination fro the material was Iraq. The deal was hastily squelched.

Then everyone will believe them if Iran allow to let the inspectors test their nuclear waste. The nuclear waste will show if there is any weapons grade plutonium in it or 239 has been made. That would have ended all the sanctions and most of the problems. But why did they refuse? It is toxic waste which needs to spent time in wet and dry storage by being cooled and shielded with water for 7 to 25 years. It is like the crap that was flushed down your toilet. Why not let them test it to show your innocence and that you are trying to generate power?

And nuclear power does not cost lest than other power methods. The reason why the US has not build a nuclear power plant in 30 is that it cost 85 Billion compared to all the other power types combine which is 11 Billion. And no the US plants are privately owned but the Federal state still enforce certain regulations to how things must be acquired to it.

In the United States and other countries many groups oppose nuclear power. In addition, high construction costs, strict building and operating regulations, and high costs for waste disposal make nuclear power plants much more expensive to build and operate than plants that burn fossil fuels. In some industrialized countries, the nuclear power industry has come under growing pressure to cut operating expenses and become more cost-competitive. Other countries have begun or planned to phase out nuclear power completely.

At the end of the 20th century, many experts viewed Asia as the only possible growth area for nuclear power. In the late 1990s, China, Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan had nuclear power plants under construction. However, many European nations were reducing or reversing their commitments to nuclear power. For example, Sweden committed to phasing out nuclear power by 2010. France canceled several planned reactors and was considering the replacement of aging nuclear plants with environmentally safer fossil-fuel plants. Germany announced plans in 1998 to phase out nuclear energy. In the United States, no new reactors had been ordered since 1978.

In 1996, 21.9 percent of the electricity generated in the United States was produced by nuclear power. By 1998 that amount had decreased to 20 percent. Because no orders for nuclear plants have been placed since 1978, this share should continue to decline as existing nuclear plants are eventually closed. In 1998 Commonwealth Edison, the largest private owner and operator of nuclear plants in the United States, had only four of 12 nuclear power plants online. Industry experts points out that economic, safety, and labor problems as reasons for these shutdowns.

I am not even going to go into the missiles which are military ineffective for their range without a nuclear payload.

Lies

Idrisozet wrote:

Spooony wrote:Iran is not a Arab nation only muslim. Shia muslim is the majority and like all are using the against Islam to gain support from others. Yet they banned Sunni muslims from congregating at prayers marking the end of Ramadan. In recent decades, Iranian authorities have refused Sunnis permission to build their own mosques in Tehran. There is currently no Sunni mosque in the capital, despite there being several churches and synagogues for much smaller Christian and Jewish populations. .Other religious minorities in Iran have been facing restrictions. Seven leaders of the Bahá'í community are serving 20-year jail sentences. Bahá'ís in Iran are deprived of rights such as education or owning businesses and are often persecuted for their beliefs. Now see how are the 85 percent of the worlds majority muslim community which are in fact Sunni eats up the Islam theory?

Then let me explain again what control nuclear safety and the fuel cycle in todays world. Any electric power generating plant is only one part of a total energy cycle. The uranium fuel cycle that is employed for LWR systems currently dominates worldwide nuclear power production and includes many steps. Uranium, which contains about 0.7 percent uranium-235, is obtained from either surface or underground mines. The ore is concentrated by milling and then shipped to a conversion plant, where its elemental form is changed to uranium hexafluoride gas (UF6). At an isotope enrichment plant, the gas is forced against a porous barrier that permits the lighter uranium-235 to penetrate more readily than uranium-238. This process enriches uranium to about 3 percent uranium-235. The depleted uranium—the tailings—contain about 0.3 percent uranium-235. The enriched product is sent to a fuel fabrication plant, where the UF6 gas is converted to uranium oxide powder, then into ceramic pellets that are loaded into corrosion-resistant fuel rods. These are assembled into fuel elements and are shipped to the reactor power plant. This is the bit what all the fuzz and Irans Nuclear program is all about.

The world’s supply of enriched uranium fuel for powering commercial nuclear power plants is produced by five consortiums located in the United States, Western Europe, Russia, and Japan. The United States consortium—the federally owned United States Enrichment Corporation—produces 40 percent of this enriched uranium.

Five consortiums located in the United States, Western Europe, Russia, and Japan. Do you get that. What happens now when a country who are know for supporting certain terrorist groups and with a bad reputation is trying to bypass those consortiums that is there to see if anyone is trying to make nuclear weapons by checking the orders. That's why Russia said. Get the Fuel from us and do not try and make your own. We will supply it to you. It will cost cheaper with less lives and health of Iranian people put at stake. There is two way to increase the fuel either with a breeder reactor which the inspectors did not find or they are hiding which means they are busy making weapons which I believe are not the case. Btw this is all you need to make a couple of bombs.


A Nuclear reactor omits 100 trillion becquerels of tritium into the atmosphere, and an even greater amount into the water. What happened to the Ukraine who tried to do their own thing wth so called peaceful power? Their engineers/scientists blew up the plant leaving a fall out that reached the UK. That is why UK meats were banned. Go check up Chernobyl if you do not believe it. The damage could have been avoided if it was build to the safety standards. About 135,000 people were evacuated, and more than 30 died. The plant was encased in concrete. By 1988, however, the other three Chernobyl' reactors were back in operation. One of the three remaining reactors was shut down in 1991 because of a fire in the reactor building. In 1994 Western nations developed a financial aid package to help close the entire plant, and a year later the Ukrainian government finally agreed to a plan that would shut down the remaining reactors by the year 2000. Iran is still in the beginning stage and although they have educated engineers to they know more than russian ones who had been working with real reactors and not smaller testing reactors? So for one the inspectors are for the first and most important things. That of the safety of Irans and its own people. Bypassing the consortium means large stockpile of weapons-grade plutonium could be accumulated without fear of detection. In fact, this trick has already been attempted in a different context, and there is a Canadian connection to the story. When Israeli jets leveled Iraq's OSIRAK reactor near Baghdad in 1981, Prime Minister Menachem Begin justified his action on the grounds that the Iraqis were intending to produce plutonium for bombs by a method similar to the one just described. This allegation was supported by an IAEA inspector, who had resigned his job in order to provide public testimony to that effect.

Just about a year before the Israeli bombing raid, Eldorado Nuclear Limited was engaged in a bizarre transaction set up by the West Germans. After chemically refining some depleted uranium from Britain, Eldorado sent the material to a firm in the U.S. to be fabricated into metal rods and then returned to Port Hope, Ontario. American officials became extremely curious and began asking questions. What on earth did Eldorado want with depleted uranium? It soon emerged that the ultimate destination fro the material was Iraq. The deal was hastily squelched.

Then everyone will believe them if Iran allow to let the inspectors test their nuclear waste. The nuclear waste will show if there is any weapons grade plutonium in it or 239 has been made. That would have ended all the sanctions and most of the problems. But why did they refuse? It is toxic waste which needs to spent time in wet and dry storage by being cooled and shielded with water for 7 to 25 years. It is like the crap that was flushed down your toilet. Why not let them test it to show your innocence and that you are trying to generate power?

And nuclear power does not cost lest than other power methods. The reason why the US has not build a nuclear power plant in 30 is that it cost 85 Billion compared to all the other power types combine which is 11 Billion. And no the US plants are privately owned but the Federal state still enforce certain regulations to how things must be acquired to it.

In the United States and other countries many groups oppose nuclear power. In addition, high construction costs, strict building and operating regulations, and high costs for waste disposal make nuclear power plants much more expensive to build and operate than plants that burn fossil fuels. In some industrialized countries, the nuclear power industry has come under growing pressure to cut operating expenses and become more cost-competitive. Other countries have begun or planned to phase out nuclear power completely.

At the end of the 20th century, many experts viewed Asia as the only possible growth area for nuclear power. In the late 1990s, China, Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan had nuclear power plants under construction. However, many European nations were reducing or reversing their commitments to nuclear power. For example, Sweden committed to phasing out nuclear power by 2010. France canceled several planned reactors and was considering the replacement of aging nuclear plants with environmentally safer fossil-fuel plants. Germany announced plans in 1998 to phase out nuclear energy. In the United States, no new reactors had been ordered since 1978.

In 1996, 21.9 percent of the electricity generated in the United States was produced by nuclear power. By 1998 that amount had decreased to 20 percent. Because no orders for nuclear plants have been placed since 1978, this share should continue to decline as existing nuclear plants are eventually closed. In 1998 Commonwealth Edison, the largest private owner and operator of nuclear plants in the United States, had only four of 12 nuclear power plants online. Industry experts points out that economic, safety, and labor problems as reasons for these shutdowns.

I am not even going to go into the missiles which are military ineffective for their range without a nuclear payload.

Lies

Man, I bet you were up all night, working on that one.

Sushi Master wrote:Isn't Iran economically tight with India and China, anyways? Two nuclear armed countries who I doubt would take the US side incase of this near impossible scenario.

I haven't seen those videos, but are they as insane as they sound?

well recently india and iran even came to an agreement on rupee system exchange for crude oil import.. but only yesterday i read that the CPI( communist party of india - marxist) blaming the Congress for yielding to US requests and reducing imports from Iran or something ,,

the potential is definitely there for it... but i don't know, on one side i think they're not that stupid to let it get too out of hand because of nuclear threat

I just liked and shared a post about peace on Facebook, and i have a ukrainian flag on my car. So no i don't expect total war any time soon.

For now i think Palestine are pawns in a bigger war actually Iran vs Israel. Will be interesting to see how big countries in the Middle East such as Egypt and Saudi Arabia will react. There is always potential for any conflict to spark the WW3 that's why military alliances are double edge swords.

Warrior wrote:I just liked and shared a post about peace on Facebook, and i have a ukrainian flag on my car. So no i don't expect total war any time soon.

it feels like a distraction so that US has to redirect some effort to helping Israel. But how well armed is Hamas? Is Iran going to be actively involved?


But how should that spark a WW3? If Iran goes nuclear, maybe,

There is a wide variety of events that would immediately escalate global tension

Cuba's missile crisis is the closest we got to world destruction

WW1 also started from an isolated event which had a domino effect

Myesyats wrote:it feels like a distraction so that US has to redirect some effort to helping Israel. But how well armed is Hamas? Is Iran going to be actively involved?


But how should that spark a WW3? If Iran goes nuclear, maybe,

the entire Arab world will back Iran/Hamas if push comes to shove. Russia has good relations with Saudi. China and BRICS will supporting anything Russia is involved in.

I'm not so sure about the whole arab world siding with Iran who have persian culture and shia religion

In fact i learned yesterday that Egypt and Saudi Arabia have become closer to Israel in recent years. Especially the latter is in a modernization process perhaps they want to protect their economic ties with the west. I'm just speculating