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Post by Lex Thu Feb 16, 2012 11:12 am

Adit wrote:Ramsey wouldnt start for Malaga
That's because you wouldn't find a player of Ramsey's calibre at such a shit team

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Post by Lord Hades Thu Feb 16, 2012 11:23 am

Lex wrote:
Adit wrote:Ramsey wouldnt start for Malaga
That's because you wouldn't find a player of Ramsey's calibre at such a shit team

santi cazorla, toulalan, julio baptista?
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Post by Ganso Thu Feb 16, 2012 11:29 am

Don't forget isco....
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Post by S Thu Feb 16, 2012 11:42 am

Seriously i dont get this hype over Ramsey.I have watched few Arsenal games around November-December where he played CM and he did well there.He's a decent player but nothing great imo.

Yesterday he was a disaster at AM.I dunno if he was playing there regularly recently but thats just not his best position ,i've come to that assessment.Arsenal lacked the creativity and the cutting edge upfront and seriously Ramsey is not the man for that job.they really missed Wilshere yesterday.
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Post by Sushi Master Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:19 pm

Ramsey is always a disaster at AM. He's clearly a box to box CM. If he were played in Arteta's position he'd look much better. If he'd played in Manchester United's midfield, he's look like a 3 titted Monica Bellucci.
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Post by Adit Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:22 pm

Lex wrote:
Adit wrote:Ramsey wouldnt start for Malaga
That's because you wouldn't find a player of Ramsey's calibre at such a shit team
Even Ramsey has a caliber?

He wont make the Malaga first 11 over Carzola,not even close.Premfaces need to watch some matches outside their comfort zone.
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Post by Lex Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:27 pm

I watch Insignificant Liga games when i want to go to sleep, but end up laughing myself to tears over the theatrical dives and under qualified referees
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Post by Sushi Master Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:30 pm

Adit wrote:
Lex wrote:
Adit wrote:Ramsey wouldnt start for Malaga
That's because you wouldn't find a player of Ramsey's calibre at such a shit team
Even Ramsey has a caliber?

He wont make the Malaga first 11 over Carzola,not even close.Premfaces need to watch some matches outside their comfort zone.
Try putting Xabi Alonso at AM.

I don't care if he plays for Madrid or whateves, but he's not going to perform. Same case with Ramsey.

Ramsey is not a frakking AM.
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Post by Adit Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:30 pm

So you have never watched a single Malaga game but some how concluded their players are shit smh
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Post by Lex Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:33 pm

Adit wrote:So you have never watched a single Malaga game but some how concluded their players are shit smh

Lex wrote:I watch Insignificant Liga games when i want to go to sleep, but end up laughing myself to tears over the theatrical dives and under qualified referees

Dat reading ability :bow:
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Post by Adit Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:40 pm

Lex wrote:
Adit wrote:Ramsey wouldnt start for Malaga
That's because you wouldn't find a player of Ramsey's calibre at such a shit team

For sure,thats why you made a comment like this
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Post by Lex Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:42 pm

I've seen Malaga in action. A few bucks later, i'm supposed to be impressed by them?
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Post by Sushi Master Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:45 pm

TBH, I've watched plenty of games and they've been very underwhelming. Apart from Demichelis, Cazorla, Rondón and maybe Monreal and Toulalan I'm not at all impressed by their displays.

Cabellero is like a copy paste of Almunia.
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Post by halamadrid2 Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:49 pm

Sushi Master wrote:
Try putting Xabi Alonso at AM.

I don't care if he plays for Madrid or whateves, but he's not going to perform. Same case with Ramsey.

Ramsey is not a frakking AM.

Ramsey is a DM, never thought id see that day :bow:

We've had both Khedira and Lass playing extremely high up the pitch and doing good
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Post by Sushi Master Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:53 pm

halamadrid2 wrote:
Sushi Master wrote:
Try putting Xabi Alonso at AM.

I don't care if he plays for Madrid or whateves, but he's not going to perform. Same case with Ramsey.

Ramsey is not a frakking AM.

Ramsey is a DM, never thought id see that day :bow:

We've had both Khedira and Lass playing extremely high up the pitch and doing good
No, he's a CM Laughing. If you're actually saying Alonso is a DM, then please enlighten me in how.

You've never had Khedira and Lass play AM, what are you talking about? Laughing You know the role Özil and Kaká play? This place ahead of the double pivot, with the role of orchestrating and creating plays?

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Post by Lex Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:55 pm

Madrid fan not knowing the positions of his own players :facepalm:
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Post by halamadrid2 Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:00 pm

Sushi Master wrote:
No, he's a CM Laughing. If you're actually saying Alonso is a DM, then please enlighten me in how.

You've never had Khedira and Lass play AM, what are you talking about? Laughing You know the role Özil and Kaká play? This place ahead of the double pivot, with the role of orchestrating and creating plays?


ok maybe i SHOULD enlighten you, Xabi IS our DM

earlier in the season Ozil has played as a CM and Khedira(and Lass) higher up, now if you actually bothered to watch our games it would make a world of difference
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Post by Onyx Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:01 pm

Lass and Khedira played as box to box CM's in a 4-3-3, Ramsey played as a lone AM in a 4-2-3-1.

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Post by Lex Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:02 pm

A fit Ozil playing BEHIND an advancing Lass? scratch What kind of world are we living in?
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Post by halamadrid2 Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:03 pm

Lex wrote:A fit Ozil playing BEHIND an advancing Lass? scratch What kind of world are we living in?

earth, because it has happened

i bet you are one of those who think Xabi is our CM :facepalm:
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Post by Sushi Master Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:04 pm

Xabi "tackles aren't part of the game" Alonso is Madrid's DM? Don't back that up with stats.

Then why is it he's always deployed with Lass or Khedira or Coentrao?

You do know CM/DM don't have anything to do with position, but with role. Xabi sits deep because he's the one that orchestrates from deep, the guy who starts off every play. Schweinsteiger is the guy who plays deepest in Bayern's midfield, that doesn't make him Bayern's DM. Pirlo is often seen playing deeper than anyone else, that doesn't make him Juve's DM.

My point is if you play a deep lying playmaker further up the pitch, he's not going to be effective, as is Ramsey's case.

Hala seems to get his positional definitions from FIFA hmm


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Post by halamadrid2 Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:05 pm

Sushi Master wrote:Xabi "tackles aren't part of the game" Alonso is Madrid's DM? Don't back that up with stats.

Then why is it he's always deployed with Lass or Khedira or Coentrao?

You do know CM/DM don't have anything to do with position, but with role. Xabi sits deep because he's the one that orchestrates from deep, the guy who starts off every play. Schweinsteiger is the guy who plays deepest in Bayern's midfield, that doesn't make him Bayern's DM. Pirlo is often seen playing deeper than anyone else, that doesn't make him Juve's DM.

My point is if you play a deep lying playmaker further up the pitch, he's not going to be effective, as is Ramsey's case.

dont talk about things you dont know.... please
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Post by Sushi Master Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:07 pm

Laughing

If you're getting into a debate, then bother to back your facts up. Laughing

Concession accepted.
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Post by Adit Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:09 pm

Sushi Master wrote:

I don't care if he plays for Madrid or whateves, but he's not going to perform. Same case with Ramsey.

Ramsey is not a frakking AM.

Ramsey has played most of the arsenal games this season at current position.

ramsey isnt a AM is a bit odd excuse though,either wenger is tactically inept or Wenger sees ramsey suitable to AM.

He has played most of Arsenal matches in current position,so its not like wenger asked him to play AM all of a sudden.
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Post by Onyx Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:10 pm

Isn't Ramsey a CM/AM?

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Post by halamadrid2 Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:10 pm

Sushi Master wrote:Laughing

If you're getting into a debate, then bother to back your facts up. Laughing

Concession accepted.

why should I????.......

You don't seem to watch our games(going by you knowledge of our team) yet you come here and have the guts of telling me what positions the players I watch on a weekly basis play in
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