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Post by Gaudiola Sat Jun 18, 2011 3:07 pm

Last season, Lionel Messi faced Osasuna having scored hat tricks in each of his previous two games. All the buildup was about whether he could become the first player since the War to score three trebles in successive La Liga matches.
Osasuna, understandably, double-marked him and, in a tetchy game, Messi was booked for kicking the ball away in frustration.

With 18 minutes to go, though, Zlatan Ibrahimovic finally broke through for Barca; the first player over to congratulate him was Messi, his face relaxed into smiles. For him, the most important thing was not his personal record, but the team, winning the game.

Compare Cristiano Ronaldo's reaction in Moscow after Manchester United had won the Champions League. Playing on the left wing, he had scored the opening goal, but after winning the battle in the first half hour, found himself dominated by Michael Essien, playing at right back.

Again and again the Ghanaian surged past him, and Ronaldo was unable or unwilling to track him. It was just such a surge that led to Chelsea's equalizer shortly before halftime. Ronaldo then missed his penalty in the shootout. United still won, because John Terry and Nicolas Anelka also missed, but Ronaldo, having looked like being the hero, was the player who'd got away with it.

As the rest of his teammates celebrates in front of the United fans, Ronaldo sat alone on the halfway line, weeping. Perhaps he was merely overcome by the emotion of the whole occasion, but it was hard not to interpret his attitude as a sulk.

Both Messi and Ronaldo have supreme technical ability. Both can turn games single-handed. Ronaldo is taller and more powerful, much better in the air. But he is also an egotist, wrapped up in his own personal glory to a deleterious extent. His pursuit of the pichichi and Golden Boot (the awards for top goal scorer in Spain and in Europe respectively) this season have been pitiful.

Away against Atletico Madrid, after Real Madrid had gone 2-0 up in the first half-hour, Ronaldo spent the rest of the game pinging in shots from unlikely distances and angles. Sergio Aguero pulled one back with five minutes to go, and Real Madrid almost drew a game they should have won by a vast margin.

Perhaps Ronaldo would have acted like that anyway, but it's hard to believe his selfishness was not accentuated by his desire to win the individual goal scoring awards, something that was turned into a consolation prize by the Madrid press once it became apparent that Barcelona was walking away with the league title, and even more so after Barcelona had beaten Real Madrid in the Champions League semifinal. But, frankly, who cares?

Look at the list of players to have won the European Golden Boot.

Eusebio, Gerd Muller, Josip Skoblar, Hans Krankl and Ian Rush were all great players, but really, who now remembers Hector Yazalde (Sporting 1974), Kees Kist (AZ Alkmaar 1979), Rodion Camataru and Dorin Mateut (Dinamo Bucharest 1987 and 1989), David Taylor (Porthmadog 1994), Arsen Avetisyan (Homenmen 1995), Zviad Endeladze (Margveti 1996)? All of them were also top scorers in Europe. Is that the pantheon to which Ronaldo was so desperate to be elected?

Those last three never won the Golden Boot because the award was discontinued for five years after it became apparent the result was being rigged. That two Dinamo Bucharest players won in the space of three years was not coincidence, and the blatant manipulation of tallies in Cyprus in 1990-91 led to the award being discontinued.

If only it had remained so. Imagine the scene. It's 1-1 and a forward is clean through on goal in the last minute. His team needs a win to lift the league title, but if he scores a goal he will win the Golden Boot. He could roll the ball square for a teammate who can't miss, or he can seek personal glory and shoot.
The correct thing to do is to roll the ball square as that is the move that brings the greatest probability of a decisive goal; yet by some perversion of soccer's logic the action that will bring an individual award is to shoot. That cannot be right.

Before Manchester United's final game of the Premier League season against Blackpool, Patrice Evra breezily admitted that he was desperate to help Dimitar Berbatov win the Golden Boot ahead of Carlos Tevez. "Whenever I get the ball I'll be passing to Berba because I want him to score," he said.

Which sounds like a generous gesture, but imagine the following scenario. United and Blackpool are locked at 1-1 in the final minute, a score line that, if it becomes the result, will keep Blackpool up. Evra finds himself with a shooting chance. If he scores Blackpool are relegated, while United, having already wrapped up the title, doesn't really care, so he pauses to try to allow Berbatov to catch him up so he can lay the ball to him.
As a result the chance is wasted. Blackpool stays up and -- say -- Wolves is relegated instead. In that instance the individual award actually distorts the competition.

And that's just the goal scoring awards. The Ballon d'Or and other player of the season awards are just as insidious -- invariably going to forwards and creative midfielders and encouraging the sort of showboating that looks good in five-minute YouTube clips, but doesn't necessarily win matches or lead to constructive play.

"I heard [the boxer] Carlos Monzon's trainer, Amilcar Brusa, explain that when a boxer fights on television, it's crucial he throw many punches, regardless of where they land," Jorge Valdano said in an interview six years ago. "That's because television demands activity."

And by introducing an ulterior demand, but stimulating interest in a side issue, it diminishes the game itself. All the greatest greats -- Pele, Diego Maradona, Johan Cruyff, Ferenc Puskas, Franz Beckenbauer, Alfred Di Stefano -- all those at the very highest level of the pantheon, were, while individually gifted, great team men.

Messi may not have won the Golden Boot or the pichichi this season, but he is an awful lot closer to joining them than Ronaldo.
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At times during the 2010-11 campaign, Real Madrid's Ronaldo looked as if he was more concerned with winning the leading individual scorer title.


Jonathan Wilson is the author of Inverting the Pyramid; Behind the Curtain; Sunderland: A Club Transformed; and The Anatomy of England.




I know that 'this is a football forum, not the roman empire' so feel free to enjoy/ruin you night/day reading this article...

Jonathan Wilson's "Individual awards are meaningless" original article from Sports Illustrated.

Regards!
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Post by Ganso Sat Jun 18, 2011 3:09 pm

oh hail messi,the saint Rolling Eyes
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Post by Lord Hades Sat Jun 18, 2011 3:11 pm

i wouldve really liked to see what ur reaction wouldve been if messi had won the golden boot.. probably more along the lines of ' the golden boot is a really creditable trophy and the best player won it and it credits the best striker etc etc.lol
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Post by RealGunner Sat Jun 18, 2011 3:14 pm

i will be really really mad if this turns into a barca vs madrid dogfight
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Post by izzy Sat Jun 18, 2011 3:14 pm



So basically,

Ronaldo = A crybaby because he showes emotion for his teams success and was relieved that he did not cost his team the trophy. The golden boot is worthless as Ronaldo is going to win it this year. For not tracking back, he is a jerk because lord knows he is the first player who doesn't track back.

Messi = God in human form. We are so lucky.


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Post by VivaStPauli Sat Jun 18, 2011 3:15 pm

I actually agree. Sound argument. I think he's a bit harsh on Ronaldo, but he isn't wrong either.
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Post by milanfan7 Sat Jun 18, 2011 3:17 pm

And I was wondering why I saw a picture of Messi every time I looked at my right shoulder,and a picture of Ronaldo every time I looked at my left shoulder.
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Post by andiii Sat Jun 18, 2011 3:27 pm

that article is biased and crap, and compares scenarios which are too different from each other (and i don't even like ronaldo). it paints ronaldo in a fairly accurate way, but trying to show messi as the opposite is bs


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Post by Busby Babe Sat Jun 18, 2011 3:27 pm

Gaudiola wrote:
As the rest of his teammates celebrates in front of the United fans, Ronaldo sat alone on the halfway line, weeping. Perhaps he was merely overcome by the emotion of the whole occasion, but it was hard not to interpret his attitude as a sulk


I think it would be unfair too. At that moment in time, he could of potentially thrown it away, not only for himself but also for his team.
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Post by VivaStPauli Sat Jun 18, 2011 3:28 pm

I think the argument is sound, I just don't think it's a big deal. I also don't think that players care as much about individual awards as many pundits or fans.

There might be some, but I think the "real" trophies are what players really care about. That, and money. And poon. :coffee:
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Post by IzzyC08 Sat Jun 18, 2011 3:33 pm

I agree with everything except the Cristiano was out only to get the Pichichi part.
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Post by Gaudiola Sat Jun 18, 2011 3:38 pm

izzy26 wrote:

So basically,

Ronaldo = A crybaby because he showes emotion for his teams success and was relieved that he did not cost his team the trophy. The golden boot is worthless as Ronaldo is going to win it this year. For not tracking back, he is a jerk because lord knows he is the first player who doesn't track back.

Messi = God in human form. We are so lucky.


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It's about this: Those last three never won the Golden Boot because the award was discontinued for five years after it became apparent the result was being rigged. That two Dinamo Bucharest players won in the space of three years was not coincidence, and the blatant manipulation of tallies in Cyprus in 1990-91 led to the award being discontinued.

I was 17 years old when that happened (Camataru), at that time I was playing for Steaua Bucharest...

I really wish you guys read the entire article before going into a Messi vs C. Ronaldo debate.
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Post by Mr Nick09 Sat Jun 18, 2011 3:46 pm

kudos, completely agreed to the argument being made, specially the analysis about ronaldo. It's a perversion of his game, and i truly wish it stops next season.

Ronaldo is never truly happy on a football pitch if he doesnt score...
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Post by The dizz Sat Jun 18, 2011 3:49 pm

individual awards wil always be subject to debate, messi deserves it
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Post by Yuri Yukuv Sat Jun 18, 2011 3:55 pm

So the award is worth less because people from balkans/romania and greece were rigging the award? The award was converted to a point system since then and backtracked. If I remember correctly ronaldo has the same amount of points a the best striker of all time gerd muller and much more important than that he is all time pichichi. Surpassing sanchez.

The author is wrong what those players have in common is not being team players what they have in common is leadership and the ability to rally others around them.

How is it expected this wont be a Messi V Ronaldo thread or a Barca vs Real Madrid thread thats exactly what the article is about.


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Post by EmilyRMLover Sat Jun 18, 2011 4:00 pm

.................. What a load of bull. I don't see this author saying the Ballon d'Or is "meaningless." Seriously, stop bashing Ronaldo all the time. If you want to eliminate the Golden Ball, eliminate ALL OTHER individual awards as well, including the Ballon d'Or.
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Post by Yuri Yukuv Sat Jun 18, 2011 4:01 pm

Actually the ballon d'or has been eliminated
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Post by EmilyRMLover Sat Jun 18, 2011 4:04 pm

Whoops, meant the FIFA Ballon d'Or
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Post by Gil Sat Jun 18, 2011 4:14 pm

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Tired of the Madrid & Barca fanboys on here.


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Post by Mr Nick09 Sat Jun 18, 2011 4:14 pm

Yuri Yukuv wrote:So the award is worth less because people from balkans/romania and greece were rigging the award? The award was converted to a point system since then and backtracked. If I remember correctly ronaldo has the same amount of points a the best striker of all time gerd muller and much more important than that he is all time pichichi. Surpassing sanchez.


I think what the article is trying to say is that when individual awards are pursued like an obsession, it becomes a perversion to the game.

But we all know it's subjective because the wank fest people would have subjected themselves to if messi had won it, would have been ridiculous
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Post by Yuri Yukuv Sat Jun 18, 2011 4:21 pm

Ronaldo wants to be the best in every game, we all know he would rather win a trophy than get any award. He wears his emotions on his sleeves and I am not going to penalize him for that in this age we are all supposed to be robots. Messi on the other hand is a passive agressive kid, he showed it through alot of instances dont expect him to be very open about his feelings. About the shooting thing Ronaldo is getting used to a new role he is not completely comfortable with. He is expected to cut in and shoot with the least touches so as to not delay the counterattacking method of mourinho. Maybe if Messi goes into a team and he is asked to be a left winger he will show some frustration and rashness as well.


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Post by Gaudiola Sat Jun 18, 2011 4:24 pm

Yuri Yukuv wrote:So the award is worth less because people from balkans/romania and greece were rigging the award? The award was converted to a point system since then and backtracked. If I remember correctly ronaldo has the same amount of points a the best striker of all time gerd muller and much more important than that he is all time pichichi. Surpassing sanchez. "


You're missing the point intentionally (see the Cyprus/Greece reference)...

...point in case..."Before Manchester United's final game of the Premier League season against Blackpool, Patrice Evra breezily admitted that he was desperate to help Dimitar Berbatov win the Golden Boot ahead of Carlos Tevez. "Whenever I get the ball I'll be passing to Berba because I want him to score," he said."
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Post by Mr Nick09 Sat Jun 18, 2011 4:26 pm

Yuri Yukuv wrote:Ronaldo wants to be the best in every game, we all know he would rather win a trophy than get any award. He wears his emotions on his sleeves and I am not going to penalize him for that in this age we are all supposed to be robots. Messi on the other hand is a passive agressive kid, he showed it through alot of instances dont expect him to be very open about his feelings.

No one is denying that but too often it turns into a perversion and personal quest to score goals. Beginning of the season was just like that until recently when he hit his goal scoring drought, and surprisingly behaved. maybe he is growing up.
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Post by Yuri Yukuv Sat Jun 18, 2011 4:27 pm

Gaudiola wrote:
Yuri Yukuv wrote:So the award is worth less because people from balkans/romania and greece were rigging the award? The award was converted to a point system since then and backtracked. If I remember correctly ronaldo has the same amount of points a the best striker of all time gerd muller and much more important than that he is all time pichichi. Surpassing sanchez. "


You're missing the point intentionally (see the Cyprus/Greece reference)...

...point in case..."Before Manchester United's final game of the Premier League season against Blackpool, Patrice Evra breezily admitted that he was desperate to help Dimitar Berbatov win the Golden Boot ahead of Carlos Tevez. "Whenever I get the ball I'll be passing to Berba because I want him to score," he said."

Are you serious gaudiola? Do you know how many times ive seen pedro and villa backpassing to messi this year?
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Post by Yuri Yukuv Sat Jun 18, 2011 4:28 pm

St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:
Yuri Yukuv wrote:Ronaldo wants to be the best in every game, we all know he would rather win a trophy than get any award. He wears his emotions on his sleeves and I am not going to penalize him for that in this age we are all supposed to be robots. Messi on the other hand is a passive agressive kid, he showed it through alot of instances dont expect him to be very open about his feelings.

No one is denying that but too often it turns into a perversion and personal quest to score goals. Beginning of the season was just like that until recently when he hit his goal scoring drought, and surprisingly behaved. maybe he is growing up.

So Inability to score under new tactics, new role, new coach, new teammates around you
(ozil, maria, khedira) wont get you nervous? scratch
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