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Post by halamadrid2 Sun Dec 04, 2011 6:53 pm

Ever since Barcelona and Pep Guardiola invented football in 2009, the praise has come full and fast, a blue and purple tsunami of love for unparalleled genius.


And it's fair enough. Xavi is the best midfielder of his day, Andres Iniesta the most elegant, able to pass, trick and score with effortless beauty. The most extensive gush is reserved for Lionel Messi. A genius, apparently, but is he actually any good?

People constantly praise the ability he has in that special left foot. Yeah, that special left foot, but not both his feet. The man is half a genius. He plays with his left foot wherever possible because he is a coward. If he were a true genius he would be able to pass as well, shoot as well, or feint as well with his right foot as he could his left. His cowardice prevents him from using his right and embracing his weaknesses. Look at a true great: Michael Owen. Say what you want about him, but he's never been afraid to shank a weak shot ten yards wide with his left foot.

Latterday received wisdom is that Messi's only real competitor for the title of the greatest player ever is his Argentine counterpart, Diego Maradona. Tish and fipsy, Maradona is streets ahead, both on and off the pitch, the combination sealing his superiority by a clear distance. Maradona dragged an average Napoli side to a legendary title win, their first, second and only Scudetti. Napoli were not a bad side by any stretch of the imagination, but they were no Barcelona. Without Messi, Barcelona have Pedro, Villa, Busquets, Mascherano, Xavi, Iniesta and Pique to get by on. They'd in all likelihood still win the league or run Real Madrid close. It wouldn't be far fetched to say that without Messi, Barcelona would still have the strongest squad in the world.

Not Maradona, though. Take Maradona out of the Napoli side and there would be no chance for that team to win the league. That's why Maradona shows up Lionel Messi as a footballing charlatan.

But that's not the end of it. Maradona is reported to have spent much of his time at Napoli abusing cocaine. Now, if Maradona could play so exceptionally, defining a decade, all while suffering the side effects of drug abuse, then surely without the handicap he would have been even better.

The trouble didn't end there. He allegedly cultivated a close relationship with the Neapolitan mafia, he missed so much training he was fined $70,000 - in those days, that's not far off the scale of fine handed to Carlos Tevez. He even fathered an illegitimate son. Did that stop him? No. Napoli's championships bookended two runners up placings, a UEFA Cup and a season as top scorer. He even found time to vaccinate Milan with a twenty-five yard header. He was always able to treat his personal affairs as nothing but background music. Clean-living Messi, on the other hand, is at his peak, totally focused on football.

Maradona's most telling showing up of the Messi praise is his performance in international games. In 1986, Maradona scored five goals, made five assists while captaining his side to a World Cup.

How did Lionel Messi get on in 1986? He didn't even play. But when he did play, in 2010, Argentina were a shambles. Granted, their preparations had included calling up 36-year-old Martin Palermo. They were managed by a loose cannon on an extended comedown (Maradona again), but they still had Tevez, Aguero, Demichelis and the mighty Jonas Gutierrez at right-back, and got nowhere. The blame must lie solely with Lionel Messi. He's just not good enough to inspire.


Lionel Messi: is he that good? Just look at his scoring records. Last season he scored 53 goals in 55 appearances. Undeniably impressive but understandable given the hard yards he makes everyone run for him at Barcelona. This year, he's scored 26 goals in just 22 games. I know what you're thinking, it's an improvement. But wait a moment, isn't this instructive of his massive selfishness? The traits of egotism reflected in the fact that only he believes he is worthy of scoring?

In the past, Samuel Eto'o and Ronaldinho have been cast out for their problems with authority, but Lionel Messi has risen above that. He has decided that he is Barcelona's authority. Surely the team can't stay together at this rate, and it will be Messi to blame.

Egotistical, one-footed and definitely not as talented as Maradona. Those self-important bloggers have got this one wrong. Lastly, how many good corners can you remember Messi taking? Exactly.

Also, he's no use in a wall.

who is this alexander guy lol
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Post by Lord Awesome Sun Dec 04, 2011 6:55 pm

All he did was point out his weak points in a very biased manner.
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Post by El Chelsea Fuerte Sun Dec 04, 2011 6:56 pm

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Post by halamadrid2 Sun Dec 04, 2011 6:57 pm

Lord Hispano wrote:All he did was point out his weak points in a very biased manner.

he very kindly called him overrated without using that word
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Post by Lord Awesome Sun Dec 04, 2011 6:59 pm

halamadrid2 wrote:
Lord Hispano wrote:All he did was point out his weak points in a very biased manner.

he very kindly called him overrated without using that word

Laughing I know he's overrated, but this just spews jealousy, IMO. Every player no matter how WC have there weak points.

"Look at a true great Michael Owen" Laughing


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Post by LeVersacci Sun Dec 04, 2011 6:59 pm

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Post by paddy Sun Dec 04, 2011 7:02 pm

He'll go down as the best player in history, that is all

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Post by BarrileteCosmico Sun Dec 04, 2011 7:03 pm

So his basic points are:

-weak left foot
-Maradona was better because he shined in spite of having the professionalism of Tevez and the moral compass of a 2 year old and having a worse team
-he's selfish
-lost WC in spite of having "the mighty Jonas Gutierrez" in his team
-he's no use in a wall/corner

All points can be disproved or are irrelevant. Jog on, Alexander.
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Post by che Sun Dec 04, 2011 7:04 pm

why oh why did i click "display this post"

curse you morbid curiosity, curse you...
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Post by TalkingReckless Sun Dec 04, 2011 7:05 pm

editor of this site

http://www.surrealfootball.com/
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Post by The Franchise Sun Dec 04, 2011 7:07 pm

che wrote:why oh why did i click "display this post"

curse you morbid curiosity, curse you...

Spare a thought for me.

I knew it was going to be horse manure but I still have to click on it because im a mod Very Happy
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Post by Khaled Sun Dec 04, 2011 7:07 pm

He should take a look at this thread Smile in my sig (Messi Stats) #justsayin

Messi Stats (Updated: 4/12/2011)

>>> Barcelona:


➫ Stats in all Competitions (Season 2011/2012):

`Matches Played: 23 matches (including 22 Starts)
- La Liga: 15 ( Starter: 14 )
- Champions League: 5 (Starter: 5)
- Copa del Rey: 0
- Spanish Super Cup: 2 ( Starter: 2)
- UEFA Super Cup: 1 ( Starter: 1)
- Clubs World Cup: 0

` Total Goals: 27 ( Penalties: 3/4)
- La Liga: 17
- Champions League: 6
- Copa del Rey: 0
- Spanish Super Cup: 3
- UEFA Super Cup: 1
- Clubs World Cup: 0

`Total Assists: 13 (16)
- La Liga: 7 (Cool
- Champions League: 3 (5)
- Spanish Cup: 0
- Spanish Super Cup: 2
- UEFA Super Cup: 1
- Clubs World Cup: 0

( ) --> assists according to transfermarkt.de
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➫ Stats in All Competition ( Just in Year 2011):
- Matches: 54
- Goals: 53
- Assists: 25 (28)

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➫ Messi Stats ( Career)
- Number of Matches: 293 (Minutes: 21,692)
- 207 Goals
(115 Goals @ Home, 86 Away, 6 On Neutral Ground)
( Left foot : 163, Right foot : 34, Headers : 8, Chest : 1, Left Hand: 1)
(Inside the box: 181 , Outside the box: 26)
(Open play: 184 ,Free-Kicks: 4, Penalties: 19)

- Assists: 86 (98)
- Career Ratio (Goals/Minutes played): 1 goal every 104 Minutes!!

`Note: Messi is 2nd topscorer in Barca's History
( Barca All Time Topscorer: Cesar Rodríguez 235 goals between 1942 &1955/ 235 goals: 195 goals in the League, 36 in the Cup and 4 in other competitions)
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➫ Messi Stats (Guradiola as a Coach in All Competitions since August 2008)
- Matches: 180(Minutes: 14,915)
- Goals: 165
- Assists: 66 (74)

- Ratio (Goals/Minutes played): 1 goal every 90 Minutes!!
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➫ Messi Stats (Playing as CF "false 9" for Barcelona)
- Matches: 78
- Goals: 80
- Assists: 37 (43)
- Ratio (Goals): about 1 Goal/match
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➫ Champions League:

- Matches: 63 (Minutes: 4,944)
- Goals: 43 (Club Record)
- Assists: 13 (17)
- Number of Goals in Champions League Finals: 2 ( scored in CL Final 2009 & CL Final 2011)
- Knock-Out stages Goals: 18 (CL Record joined by Raul)
- Ratio: 0.7 goal/match

`All-time CL Record for Raul 71 Goals " including 18 in Knock Out Stages" in 142 Matches.
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Post by Lord Awesome Sun Dec 04, 2011 7:10 pm

OMG a PL fan. I swear, I had no idea. Completely shocked.

Look at my shocked face.

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Post by halamadrid2 Sun Dec 04, 2011 7:11 pm

how do they allow writers like him to write on ESPN
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Post by Le Samourai Sun Dec 04, 2011 7:15 pm

It was obviously a comedy piece.

Did it on the wrong player tho.If you just replace "Messi" with "Ronaldo" , everyone would be off their seats with laughter.
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Post by white_star Sun Dec 04, 2011 7:16 pm

Wow what is this and why is he writing, either he's trying to troll or is as dumb as a pile of rocks!! Messi is the best player right now and will be a legend once he's done, anybody who really thinks otherwise can join this guy in the pile of rocks for a brain idea!
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Post by teamanarchy Sun Dec 04, 2011 7:16 pm

As for those of us who aren't under the illusion of Maradona being the best ever, this whole argument fails even more than it originally did.
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Post by CBarca Sun Dec 04, 2011 7:17 pm

I chuckled at the Michael Owen part but other than that, extremely unfunny. smoking
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Post by julias Sun Dec 04, 2011 7:17 pm

was the actually a serious article?

i thought it was joke LMAO wat a tool
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Post by Le Samourai Sun Dec 04, 2011 7:20 pm

teamanarchy wrote:As for those of us who aren't under the illusion of Maradona being the best ever, this whole argument fails even more than it originally did.
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hmm "Neymar is better and he is still active and can aspire to reach my level"


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Post by teamanarchy Sun Dec 04, 2011 7:22 pm

I can't see that picture.
Is it Pele?
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Post by Le Samourai Sun Dec 04, 2011 7:25 pm

^ yes it is pele
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Post by teamanarchy Sun Dec 04, 2011 7:27 pm

Pele never played in Europe... but we're going off-topic here.
On a far more serious note:
Titus Bramble > Messi
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Post by Guest Sun Dec 04, 2011 7:59 pm

I'm guessing this is a joke?

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Post by Lord Spencer Sun Dec 04, 2011 8:13 pm

How the sarcasm in the article escaped you guys is beyond me, it is am obviously sarcastic article made for the laughs.
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