futbol_bill wrote:I would agree with a few of your comments, but Mou has changed his antics / attitude dramactically since that game, whether it be from self analaysis, conversation with perez or rumoured conversation with Ramos and Castilla.

But most of all it is obviously a Cule article and that has no place here in our madrid section. Make these ridiculous postings in your own section or General.

Get out of here. Hala Madrid.

ragbirjosh wrote:^I avoided responding because obviously you have an opinion of Mourinhio that can't be changed but I have to say......I've had enough.

>You do not understand Mourinhio......that much is clear.Mourinhio is not Xavi.......everything he says or does has a purpose.When he reacts badly to a defeat claiming conspiracy or whatever......anyone can realise that he's rallying his players behind him and more importnatly......behind themselves.

Could you imagine a Roman general saying...."We lost....we lost fair and square...but next time"

No?You Know why? because there is no next time after that......everyone is demorazilized , dejected and despondant and will carry a huge inferiority complex for the rest of his life......a case especially relevant to the huge egos of the kids in the Real madrid dressing room.

It's a cool story and all.....but that disgusting piece of Vermin is the same one that every player who has ever encountered him calls the best mager they've ever encountered and whom many call their personal friend.Coincidence? No?

look....you don't have to like mourinhio.....and I will probably never be able to change your opinion of him, but you need to respect individual's different ways of doing things. Everything that you listed is related to his coaching style , and u may not like the process , but the process brings results.

If you ever played football competitively you will really be able to understand what mourinhio does and you will appreciate him alot more.

You'll never look at this from the point of view of total ambivalence but I'll put it like this in a funny way , You're like the citzens of Gotham watching all these people die because of Batman, and you think Batman is evil or at least that he has no integrity , when the fact is he has more integrity than anyone in the world. Most do not understand why Mourinhio is so great , It's not his tactics , he can change tactics anytime he wants , it for the very reason you hate him that he is great. He assumes the role of the villan so that the team can function, free of pressure , free of hate. He is like a collossal shield against the negative forces of the footballing world for his players.With Mourinhio as coach Argentina would win 3 consecutive world cups because of this.People do have respect for him , but only people that matter.

Lastly.....I'm not interested in an argument.......I've already overreacted to one Barca fan this week...............this is just a point of view for you to consider........wether you agree wholly or not.....keep it at the back of your mind whenever you consider anything Mourinhio does.It's amazing what a different vantage point will do for your perception of a person.

H.A. wrote:Well I kind of told you to tone it down lol, I knew it would get ugly fast. Just avoid anything that bashes us since it is our section and I guess you'll be fine

H.A. wrote:Well I kind of told you to tone it down lol, I knew it would get ugly fast. Just avoid anything that bashes us since it is our section and I guess you'll be fine

ragbirjosh wrote:@BarcaLearning

The eye poking thing is the one thing I can't rationalize.

Call be delusional but I'm convinced he didn't mean to actually do it

futbol_bill wrote:

H.A. wrote:Well I kind of told you to tone it down lol, I knew it would get ugly fast. Just avoid anything that bashes us since it is our section and I guess you'll be fine

You're being too easy on him. I don't buy his newby statements. He a troll and should be warned. What
Sportsczy did was mild compared to this. I ques JD isn't as rash as Dani is!!!!!!!!

futbol_bill wrote:

H.A. wrote:Well I kind of told you to tone it down lol, I knew it would get ugly fast. Just avoid anything that bashes us since it is our section and I guess you'll be fine

You're being too easy on him. I don't buy his newby statements. He a troll and should be warned. What
Sportsczy did was mild compared to this. I ques JD isn't as rash as Dani is!!!!!!!!

estrella bernabeu wrote:Finally, i find a 4-3-3 with Alonso/Khedira/Coentrao a bit more logical. Lass will be a RB.
That's gonna be a war in the midfield if Pep has already choosen the 3-4-3

@Bill have you read all that creepy Novel ? Come on dude :study:

futbol_bill wrote:

H.A. wrote:Well I kind of told you to tone it down lol, I knew it would get ugly fast. Just avoid anything that bashes us since it is our section and I guess you'll be fine

You're being too easy on him. I don't buy his newby statements. He a troll and should be warned. What
Sportsczy did was mild compared to this. I ques JD isn't as rash as Dani is!!!!!!!!

Saetablanca wrote:

futbol_bill wrote:

H.A. wrote:Well I kind of told you to tone it down lol, I knew it would get ugly fast. Just avoid anything that bashes us since it is our section and I guess you'll be fine

You're being too easy on him. I don't buy his newby statements. He a troll and should be warned. What
Sportsczy did was mild compared to this. I ques JD isn't as rash as Dani is!!!!!!!!

I dont like this guy coming in to troll our section, but you do realise that sports espressly defied mod orders, and left of his own free will not banned, right?

futbol_bill wrote:

Saetablanca wrote:

futbol_bill wrote:

H.A. wrote:Well I kind of told you to tone it down lol, I knew it would get ugly fast. Just avoid anything that bashes us since it is our section and I guess you'll be fine

You're being too easy on him. I don't buy his newby statements. He a troll and should be warned. What
Sportsczy did was mild compared to this. I ques JD isn't as rash as Dani is!!!!!!!!

I dont like this guy coming in to troll our section, but you do realise that sports espressly defied mod orders, and left of his own free will not banned, right?

Yes I do, but I also think Dani (franchise) is a little thin skinned and certainly biased towards Barca fans, unlike JD who is much more mature and rational. This newby has been trying to stir things up for several hours now, and bragging about in Barca section and yet no warning, nothing. Sportczy just posted something for discussion, it wasn't a deliberate attempt to stir things up and yet Dani claims it would lead to that and warned him. Whether or not Sportsczy deliberately did it a second time is debatable. He claims Dani ignored pm and just went after him. I know Sportsczy left on his own, but also said he was cooling down and will be back.

It just kind of pisses me off when this newby does obvious trolling (I also don't buy his newby act) and gets away with it, while a great poster like Sports gets warned by a thin skinned mod.

BarcaLearning wrote:Just to spice things up a little, here is a great article I thought (cant post link for 7 days ), I'll qoute:

"I don't write this as a neutral fan of the beautiful game but as a Culé, I will however try to remain as unbiased as possible considering the circumstances under which I write this. Wednesday was a farce, in that both teams chose to claim before the game that it didn't really matter if we won the trophy or not. A farce because inspite of both teams putting out their strongest 11, there wasn't any mention of "it's just an over hyped friendly" till AFTER we beat Madrid.

What is even crazier is when fans bought into this as an excuse when their team lost. Jose Mourinho a.k.a the translator, jumped at the opportunity to tell the world that what happened was, a great team like Real Madrid playing a "small" team like F.C. Barcelona and they only lost because the ball boys disappeared. Vanished. Did a houdini, call it what you will. Anything but admit that what actually happened of course was a tiny part of a story of a ball boy in a stadium belonging to a "small" team.



This ball boy, can only be referred to as blessed by the Gods, If anybody (except Madrid fans) were to see the way his life turned out. Indeed, this ball boy who was being educated about 150 metres from the stadium that he worked in was destined for great things. He grew up playing football, he grew up to lead a "small" team to the finals of the European Cup. He grew up with a doctrine, one that he would in the future, represent, just by -being!

This ball boy, after leading that "small" team to several trophies in his time as a player, decided he wanted to try his hand at managing. In 2008, after earning a promotion and becoming the manager of the senior squad, he led that small team to the Bernabeu and destroyed them, 2-6. A couple of years later he beat that same team at home 5-0 not to mention the few victories in between.

How many times does the ball boy have to teach that great team a lesson before you reverse the roles?

People will say many things about this year's Spanish Supercopa, how the better team didn't win, how that "small" team has a tendency to rush a referee, how that "small" team's players dive because, obviously, a scissor kick from behind with absolutely no intention to get the ball, is nothing right? Cesc Fabregas was expected to stay upright? Iker Casillas, was one of the very few players I liked and respected in Madrid. No longer. I don't doubt his skills as a goalkeeper, he is the best. Yes, I said it. I believe Casillas is better than Victor Valdes but only slightly but as the captain of the Spanish National Team, I expected a lot more.

That "small" team might have won a pointless trophy, but is it too much to ask the translator to try and lose with a little dignity? He claims the ball boys disappeared? News flash Mourinho: he was standing right next to you and beat Madrid with a less than fully fit squad playing football! Oh and this is football, the better team does not always win! There is a huge difference between being a good team and being champions. Spirit. The idea that we can lose against any team, but we will take that loss and keep trying. Leave the referees, the opponents, UNICEF, UEFA and Mel Gibson's conspiracy theories out of it, when you lose, say it. The respect that you can earn by being gracious in defeat is part of what makes a sport, a sport.

Until recently, I was inclined to believe that Sir Alex Ferguson was the older version of Mourinho in many ways. He knows how to manipulate the media and play mind games with the opponent before a game. But the way he handled his team's defeat at Wembley, was amazing. This was the second time he had lost to Barca and yet there wasn't any talk of bad decisions or venom. In it's place was a calm determined look, one of respect for the opponents and a profound belief that "we can beat them". Maybe, not this time but we have what it takes and we look forward to the next time.

Whether Madridstas believe it or not, your coach represent the club more than anybody else. I can never undermine the great pride I have in my club's image because of Pep Guardiola. That ex-ball boy is all class, he never talks bad about a rival. Even with Madrid, he gives all the respect the club deserves but even more important is how he does that even with the other "small" teams. If Mourinho were to ever read this rant of mine: you will never succeed Ferguson (as manager of United) for this reason, alone. You are probably among the top 5 when it comes to tactics. You will probably be remembered as one of the great coaches of our time but when you leave, your team seems to implode. That isn't me giving you credit for how great a coach you are.

People will only talk about how great Mourinho's conquests have been. I, personally, don't hear much about the "great Inter Milan" side of 09/10. Legacy, a word it seems that the translator doesn't understand or care for. Ferguson has left his with Manchester United, Pep with Barca as a player and coach. Mourinho, however, is remembered for the trophies HE has won and the hooliganism (for lack of a better word) he encourages in his teams.

El Clasico could become great. The two biggest teams of Spain and probably the world with arguably, the two best coaches in Europe fighting it out. It could have been a spectacle like never before. However, with the arrival of the translator and the advent of a style of football which includes fouling a player to an extent as witnessed on Wednesday, has degraded the clasico to levels that I, personally, have not seen before.

I honestly believe that both teams were to blame for that night. Marcelo's foul deserved a red card, there is no question about it. If any of the Madrid fans believe otherwise, well, ignorance is bliss. However, I don't think Barca should have rushed the area and the referee. Madrid and their (highly susceptible to temper flares) defenders simply gave in to the pressure of conceding an all important goal 3 mins from extra time. If the game had reached extra time, I'm willing to admit that Barca would have lost just by comparing the fitness levels of both teams. But that didn't happen did it? Lionel Messi being the greatest player the world has seen (yes, I think hes better than Maradona and Pele were even if he hasn't won the World Cup) popped up and did what he does best. A beautiful left-footed volley that put an end to Madrid's dream of winning that "useless" trophy. We scored and that was that. So alright, they gave in and did what they could, which is foul. Alright, our team might be to blame for giving in to the pressure and reacting to that foul.

What excuse does Mourinho have? Eye gouging Barca's assistant coach was uncalled for. As a coach, your team and the club will be judged for your mistakes. The translator cannot take credit for trophies won and choose to relinquish responsibility if his team loses! Man up and lose with some dignity for God's sake. He would have got a lot more respect from even our fans if he had just said "We were unlucky and congratulations to Barca". Didn't we do the same when we lost the Copa del Rey? If that isn't reason enough, a good word from Mourinho would have done wonders to calm fans from both teams. It's a shame really, but since Wednesday, Jose Mourinho has in my books become the most disgusting species of vermin that has ever represented any sport. All his virtues as a coach will not change the fact, in the end : A ball boy turned out to be the true champion." - from barcablaugranes


What really disgusts me Mourinho is how badly he takes defeat, shows no class, and all his antics with the press and his dramas, he just cant compare with Guardiola as a man, who is always respectful, despite all the crazy provocations and down right dirty fouls from Mourinho and Real players...Mourinho may be a top coach, but that aspect will always leave him a bad name

futbol_bill wrote:I didn´t see interview and both AS and Marca have columns about his conference but say nothing about potential formation - lineup. The lineup above was Gladiator´s prediction. In any event, let´s hope Pep is dumb enough to try a 3 man defense. It will be to our advantage particularly if we start with the pressing game. By the way Pep did say in interview that he expected Madrid to begin game pressing so I would think the 3 man defense is Gladiators idea only.

El Pipita wrote:
Take this shit outta here.

ijomer wrote:what do you mean nick