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Post by Error Wed 15 Jun 2011, 01:09

Real Madrid homepage:
Marcelo no jugó el Escocia-Brasil por estar lesionado

Google Translate:
Marcelo did not play the Scotland-Brazil because of injury

He suffered a blow to the league match against Atletico which caused the rupture of the right oblique muscle detachment of the 12 rib
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The player does not call Marcelo Real Madrid to play in Brazil next year's Copa America has led to a series of reports which stated that the white player's absence from the list may be due to the fact that March 27 would not play the Scotland-Brazil friendly held in London. According to this information, Marcelo claimed a back injury for not taking part in the meeting. The Real Madrid CF wishes to clarify that Marcelo could not play that game for being injured and the proof is the medical examinations were made to football.

March 19, Marcelo suffered a bruised right rib cage in the league match against Atletico Madrid and 24 joined to the concentration of the Brazilian national team to prepare for the friendly against Scotland. To persist for the inconvenience, Marcelo could not participate in the match, which certified the Brazilian Football Confederation (CBF) on 26 March with a statement confirming that during training on day 25 had suffered "a blow to the rib "and that after tests confirmed the existence of" a muscle contusion that kept him from playing against Scotland. "

Marcelo returned to the capital of Spain and day 28, as the discomfort continued, Sanitas medical services, Real Madrid, after talking to Dr. Runco (head of medical services of the Brazilian national team), decided to perform a magnetic resonance hospital Sanitas La Moraleja. After it was confirmed that he suffered "breakage right oblique muscle detachment of the 12th rib, with a low period of two weeks."

For this reason, the player did not make the squad for the league match when Real Madrid played against Sporting Gijon on 2 April. Marcelo reappeared with the white team on April 5 in the Champions League match against Tottenham at the Bernabeu.

The Real Madrid CF regrets that the version that has transcended the absence of Marcelo in the squad for the Copa America will no doubt question the footballer to play for his country.



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Post by buddytaller Wed 15 Jun 2011, 02:01

Error wrote:Real Madrid homepage:
Marcelo no jugó el Escocia-Brasil por estar lesionado

Google Translate:
Marcelo did not play the Scotland-Brazil because of injury

He suffered a blow to the league match against Atletico which caused the rupture of the right oblique muscle detachment of the 12 rib
Realmadrid.com

The player does not call Marcelo Real Madrid to play in Brazil next year's Copa America has led to a series of reports which stated that the white player's absence from the list may be due to the fact that March 27 would not play the Scotland-Brazil friendly held in London. According to this information, Marcelo claimed a back injury for not taking part in the meeting. The Real Madrid CF wishes to clarify that Marcelo could not play that game for being injured and the proof is the medical examinations were made to football.

March 19, Marcelo suffered a bruised right rib cage in the league match against Atletico Madrid and 24 joined to the concentration of the Brazilian national team to prepare for the friendly against Scotland. To persist for the inconvenience, Marcelo could not participate in the match, which certified the Brazilian Football Confederation (CBF) on 26 March with a statement confirming that during training on day 25 had suffered "a blow to the rib "and that after tests confirmed the existence of" a muscle contusion that kept him from playing against Scotland. "

Marcelo returned to the capital of Spain and day 28, as the discomfort continued, Sanitas medical services, Real Madrid, after talking to Dr. Runco (head of medical services of the Brazilian national team), decided to perform a magnetic resonance hospital Sanitas La Moraleja. After it was confirmed that he suffered "breakage right oblique muscle detachment of the 12th rib, with a low period of two weeks."

For this reason, the player did not make the squad for the league match when Real Madrid played against Sporting Gijon on 2 April. Marcelo reappeared with the white team on April 5 in the Champions League match against Tottenham at the Bernabeu.

The Real Madrid CF regrets that the version that has transcended the absence of Marcelo in the squad for the Copa America will no doubt question the footballer to play for his country.



Menezes just got served! just as I predicted today, he does not like Marcelo but he is not man enough to admit it.
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Post by Ganso Wed 15 Jun 2011, 02:03

lol its mano with marcelo and batista with tevez


only difference is that we could care less about marcelo unlike Argentinians with tevez :p
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Post by punkfusion1992 Wed 15 Jun 2011, 03:31

Menezes has lost all my respect
leaving one of the top Left Backs in the world because of "faking inury" even though he missed the game b4 totenham and just about made the totenham game...
such BS from a coach with so much BS
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Post by Kev Wed 15 Jun 2011, 07:26

This is quite disappointing I'm afraid. If he thought Marcelo wasn't good enough, he should've just said it, instead of making libelous accusations.

This coach needs to man up.
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Post by Guest Wed 15 Jun 2011, 07:54

As I said all along the guy was looking for a scapegoat. realmadrid.com just reiterated exactly what I said. The Brazilian medical staff sent him home and made the self assessment not Real Madrid.

Menezes looks like a total idiot now, wonder who is next in the scapegoat list.

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Post by rsinatra Wed 15 Jun 2011, 08:34

So, because Real Madrid said it must be true? lol this proves nothing, it is just like you guys denying it.. there are simply two sides.

The fact remains that he didn't do it only once. He was also called up LAST YEAR, when there were no friendlies so we had a training-game against Barcelona B. And what happened then? Marcelo said he had some stomach problems and went back to Madrid. The next day he was training with Mourinho's man: Except that then he actually did get injured training lol. This goes for all you people who think he deserved a call up earlier and that Mano had a problem with him... your argument has just been made into nothing now.

P.S. who cares about him missing a Sporting Gijon fixture when there's Spurs 4 days later? They were sparing him like normal clubs do. Anyway, the fact I just wrote above is more reason to believe in his bad attitude towards Brazil.
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Post by paperbackwriter Wed 15 Jun 2011, 09:43

rsinatra wrote:So, because Real Madrid said it must be true? lol this proves nothing, it is just like you guys denying it.. there are simply two sides.

The fact remains that he didn't do it only once. He was also called up LAST YEAR, when there were no friendlies so we had a training-game against Barcelona B. And what happened then? Marcelo said he had some stomach problems and went back to Madrid. The next day he was training with Mourinho's man: Except that then he actually did get injured training lol. This goes for all you people who think he deserved a call up earlier and that Mano had a problem with him... your argument has just been made into nothing now.

P.S. who cares about him missing a Sporting Gijon fixture when there's Spurs 4 days later? They were sparing him like normal clubs do. Anyway, the fact I just wrote above is more reason to believe in his bad attitude towards Brazil.

But why Marcelo? Benzema, Özil Xabi Alonso, Ramos, Pepe, Carvalho, Casillas all played with their national teams. But Marcelo was ordered to do anything to avoid his game? Do you seriously think that a player who's not established in his national team would avoid the few chances he get to impress with purpose? It's not prime Ronaldinho/Ronaldo/Romario we're talking about here. Players who could afford to avoid such games and still be guaranteed to be there when it mattered.
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Post by gkamtu Wed 15 Jun 2011, 09:50

no comment coz most of brazilian coach are doing works as their brain want them to do..imo!
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Post by rsinatra Wed 15 Jun 2011, 10:10

paperbackwriter wrote:
rsinatra wrote:So, because Real Madrid said it must be true? lol this proves nothing, it is just like you guys denying it.. there are simply two sides.

The fact remains that he didn't do it only once. He was also called up LAST YEAR, when there were no friendlies so we had a training-game against Barcelona B. And what happened then? Marcelo said he had some stomach problems and went back to Madrid. The next day he was training with Mourinho's man: Except that then he actually did get injured training lol. This goes for all you people who think he deserved a call up earlier and that Mano had a problem with him... your argument has just been made into nothing now.

P.S. who cares about him missing a Sporting Gijon fixture when there's Spurs 4 days later? They were sparing him like normal clubs do. Anyway, the fact I just wrote above is more reason to believe in his bad attitude towards Brazil.

But why Marcelo? Benzema, Özil Xabi Alonso, Ramos, Pepe, Carvalho, Casillas all played with their national teams. But Marcelo was ordered to do anything to avoid his game? Do you seriously think that a player who's not established in his national team would avoid the few chances he get to impress with purpose? It's not prime Ronaldinho/Ronaldo/Romario we're talking about here. Players who could afford to avoid such games and still be guaranteed to be there when it mattered.

Don't ask me, ask Marcelo. He's a different person from all those you've listed. I'm just showing what happened (stomach problems, back problems......) that coincidentally occurred right at the time he had to play for Brazil. Let me remind you that apart from Benzema, all those players you mentioned had/have a much more secure position than Marcelo at Real Madrid.
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Post by paperbackwriter Wed 15 Jun 2011, 10:41

rsinatra wrote:
paperbackwriter wrote:
rsinatra wrote:So, because Real Madrid said it must be true? lol this proves nothing, it is just like you guys denying it.. there are simply two sides.

The fact remains that he didn't do it only once. He was also called up LAST YEAR, when there were no friendlies so we had a training-game against Barcelona B. And what happened then? Marcelo said he had some stomach problems and went back to Madrid. The next day he was training with Mourinho's man: Except that then he actually did get injured training lol. This goes for all you people who think he deserved a call up earlier and that Mano had a problem with him... your argument has just been made into nothing now.

P.S. who cares about him missing a Sporting Gijon fixture when there's Spurs 4 days later? They were sparing him like normal clubs do. Anyway, the fact I just wrote above is more reason to believe in his bad attitude towards Brazil.

But why Marcelo? Benzema, Özil Xabi Alonso, Ramos, Pepe, Carvalho, Casillas all played with their national teams. But Marcelo was ordered to do anything to avoid his game? Do you seriously think that a player who's not established in his national team would avoid the few chances he get to impress with purpose? It's not prime Ronaldinho/Ronaldo/Romario we're talking about here. Players who could afford to avoid such games and still be guaranteed to be there when it mattered.

Don't ask me, ask Marcelo. He's a different person from all those you've listed. I'm just showing what happened (stomach problems, back problems......) that coincidentally occurred right at the time he had to play for Brazil.

Since Madrid made an official statement it's not about Marcelo, right now it's about Real Madrid vs Menezes. Real Madrid have made it official that the Brazil doctors sent him home and that Real Madrid confirmed the injury with their own doctors. Hence it's either Madrids masterplan to get Marcelo to fake an injury for the Brazil coach/medical staff and then cover it up. Or it was a legit injury.

So why would Madrid be so worried about Marcelo, but not Casillas, Xabi, Carvalho, Pepe, Özil and Benzema?
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Post by guest7 Wed 15 Jun 2011, 11:58

Marcelo missed a game where we lost. I don't think he faked it.
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Post by Guest Wed 15 Jun 2011, 12:32

It would not surprise me at all if Real Madrid did not trust the Brazil NT at all after the Kaka fiasco... i have zero confidence in the reliability or ethic behavior of the Brazil NT. It's all about them. They care nothing for the clubs.

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Post by rsinatra Wed 15 Jun 2011, 13:26

sportsczy wrote:It would not surprise me at all if Real Madrid did not trust the Brazil NT at all after the Kaka fiasco... i have zero confidence in the reliability or ethic behavior of the Brazil NT. It's all about them. They care nothing for the clubs.

I find your last sentence totally hilarious. "They care nothing for the clubs." LOL everyone knows here that it's clubs who always make trouble when it comes to releasing players for a NT, sometimes even demoting players when they prefer the NT (as happened to Roma's Doni).

Anyway, it was a WC, Kaká really wanted to be there.. I think it could've happened to any club or NT. Either way it was a different staff back then, but I can't really say more than that.

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rsinatra wrote:
paperbackwriter wrote:
rsinatra wrote:So, because Real Madrid said it must be true? lol this proves nothing, it is just like you guys denying it.. there are simply two sides.

The fact remains that he didn't do it only once. He was also called up LAST YEAR, when there were no friendlies so we had a training-game against Barcelona B. And what happened then? Marcelo said he had some stomach problems and went back to Madrid. The next day he was training with Mourinho's man: Except that then he actually did get injured training lol. This goes for all you people who think he deserved a call up earlier and that Mano had a problem with him... your argument has just been made into nothing now.

P.S. who cares about him missing a Sporting Gijon fixture when there's Spurs 4 days later? They were sparing him like normal clubs do. Anyway, the fact I just wrote above is more reason to believe in his bad attitude towards Brazil.

But why Marcelo? Benzema, Özil Xabi Alonso, Ramos, Pepe, Carvalho, Casillas all played with their national teams. But Marcelo was ordered to do anything to avoid his game? Do you seriously think that a player who's not established in his national team would avoid the few chances he get to impress with purpose? It's not prime Ronaldinho/Ronaldo/Romario we're talking about here. Players who could afford to avoid such games and still be guaranteed to be there when it mattered.

Don't ask me, ask Marcelo. He's a different person from all those you've listed. I'm just showing what happened (stomach problems, back problems......) that coincidentally occurred right at the time he had to play for Brazil.

Since Madrid made an official statement it's not about Marcelo, right now it's about Real Madrid vs Menezes. Real Madrid have made it official that the Brazil doctors sent him home and that Real Madrid confirmed the injury with their own doctors. Hence it's either Madrids masterplan to get Marcelo to fake an injury for the Brazil coach/medical staff and then cover it up. Or it was a legit injury.

So why would Madrid be so worried about Marcelo, but not Casillas, Xabi, Carvalho, Pepe, Özil and Benzema?

But who said it was Real Madrid's fault? I don't exactly know whose e-mail was read, or if it really was an e-mail (Mano said it was "something like that" when asked about the e-mail), but for all we know it might've been Marcelo's own decision because of something..

I wouldn't be surprised if a kid like him, playing at a big club like RM, thought that he would definitely called up again just because he played at such a club.. but this is all speculation. There is nothing more to discuss, the fact is that he is out, and hopefully matters will be solved between them and he'll play for us in the future, otherwise I don't want a cancer in the team.
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Post by Guest Wed 15 Jun 2011, 14:44

Rsinatra.. That's just not true. For example, Blanc talked to mourinho often early last year to get a sense of how to use Benz and fitness. He actually does that with most clubs. That's why you heard zero drama or criticism when Benz was slightly hurt with france nt... The communication was pretty good. They didn't always agree. But they knew what was going on

Communication between brazil nt and Madrid was less than zero regarding kaka.

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Post by buddytaller Wed 15 Jun 2011, 14:44

Menezes visited the Valdebebas in October to watch Marcelo and Kaka train, but he did not call him up for any of Brazil's friendlies till March the following year. Marcelo was not deluded, he knew the coach didn't like him much but he felt he could convince him to select him into his squad if he played in a match for Brazil.

He was so delighted to finally get a call up into the national team after about 4 years or so, but unfortunately got injured and had to miss not only the friendly, but a league match for Real Madrid - the match ended Mourinho's 9 year home unbeaten run.

Menezes does not rate him highly and I don't have a problem with that since he is the coach and is likely to take the blame/credit for all his decisions. But for him to lie, just to calm down pressure is just outrageous, and I said Madrid and Marcelo will respond soon, and respond they did.

I don't think losing Marcelo will have that great impact on the National team, but Menezes' decision making and favouritism is likely to cost Brazil in the long run, and when he does mess up, he should expect people to start questioning his selection.
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Post by rsinatra Wed 15 Jun 2011, 15:27

I agree with your last paragraph, buddytaller.

I'd like to make it clear that I like Marcelo as a player and I hope to see him doing well for Brazil in the future, if that doesn't mean we'll have problems between coach and players.

I really believe that there is something to it (it is not just Mano making up lies to save face), but whatever it is I will not be extreme on taking sides.. I want Brazil to win, that is all Smile!
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Post by buddytaller Wed 15 Jun 2011, 15:41

A peek at what Brazil is missing, Samba! Very Happy

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Post by rsinatra Wed 15 Jun 2011, 19:58

lol it reminds me of people wanting ronaldinho at the wc Razz
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Post by Fadi Wed 15 Jun 2011, 21:51

i thought marcelo was the best left back in the world???, isn't he madrid fans??
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Post by Lord Awesome Wed 15 Jun 2011, 21:55

Samba doesn't work anymore. It's been figured out since 1982. Now you need a balance of all aspects to win a tourney.
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Post by Lord Awesome Wed 15 Jun 2011, 22:00

Spanish style works though. Smile
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Post by Lord Awesome Wed 15 Jun 2011, 22:03

Actually you now what, I take it back Samba style can work, but you'll need the right players for Samba to function. A Defense capable of breaking down Counter Attacks.
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Post by rsinatra Thu 16 Jun 2011, 01:15

Lord Hispano wrote:Actually you now what, I take it back Samba style can work, but you'll need the right players for Samba to function. A Defense capable of breaking down Counter Attacks.

and you need forwards who'll also help in marking and stuff..
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Post by The Franchise Thu 16 Jun 2011, 01:24

Lord Hispano wrote:Samba doesn't work anymore. It's been figured out since 1982. Now you need a balance of all aspects to win a tourney.

How so?

They have played short, fast, combination play with the use of individual players doing magic for years since 82'.

There is a myth that Brazil didnt have balance before now, they always knew how to protect themselves defensively, its by keeping the ball.
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Post by SUPERCARTTS Thu 16 Jun 2011, 01:42

My gosh, could "mano" talk anymore shit?!
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